[Draft] Commend Biyah

[Biyah]

It isn't. I don't know who this is, I wasn't consulted. But I love you too Frak, get a life.

Georgie/Cromarty. I had a huge long post here in reply to your betrayal comment, I was told it'd probably send you into frothy hysterics. So I'll edit it out, leave you with my compliments, and remind you to ask this question: If I am a traitor to Osiris, who was the delegate who lost the region in the first place?

No doubt my original post was screenshotted, you can ask around if you want the full treatment - not that you need a reason to go off, you've turned it into an art. Anyway, you may now recommence the same sad attempts to start a fight and make yourself look awesome, that you've been engaged in for the last two weeks, with my blessing. *shrugs*

Oh, and dear BBD - you got your own history wrong. Dominion was first, and lasted 24 hours. WPT lasted much longer - and while I did join it at first, yes, I wasn't told that Eli was going to bring the Merit in for support. Shasoria challenged me to find out the truth, I did, I stepped out and joined the resistance. I ended up hosting the GiE on the Refuge board.

Oh, and Lots of Ants admitted to being a GV agent. In fact, is active again in GV now. And since that campaign was run with TAO's approval, I don't quite think you have a stone to stand on there. Duh?

~B

[Sovreignry]

Please give me some of what you are smoking.

Anyone who thinks this way is simply ignorant of all the help Biyah has got along the way.

To put in another way, this guy has always been a coalition member. He's just been the one to always be the most abrasive and obnoxious.

His greatest accomplishments hail from an antiquated age, he has remained relevant only through a mythos perpetuated by his cadre and by inserting himself uselessly into the affairs of the day.

His recent play in Osiris was no mastermind feat, merely the predictable result (as forewarned by myself and others) of leaving the region in the hands of a teenage girl and her internet boyfriend.

Not to mention that days before the "daring coup", he was to be found begging update raiders for support - a constituency he routinely maligns when he isn't before them on his knees - and was to be found in the hours after drunk on IRC seemingly regretting the whole affair.

If anything, his conduct in Osiris is a primer on how to not conduct yourself in NS.

Not to mention the fact that he treated Crazy Girl, one of TRRs few true remaining natives, in a manner of gross contempt and spite for simply questioning why the outsider Naivetry was being inserted as delegate without any prior consultation.

Oh, also congratulations for catching Gnidrah napping and then dishing out communiques as if you were some kind of NS - Napoleon Bonaparte . How amazing.

Also yes, check on the ID of the person submitting this. Going back to MR and TRR, I wouldn't be surprised if Biyah was submitting this himself.

Do you actually like -anyone- in this game?

I think he likes Francos Spain.

[Anur-Sanur]

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Yes.

[Cormac A Stark]

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You know, for someone who talks so much smack so often you would think you had accomplished a lot in this game yourself. Yet I'm not aware of any accomplishments, just tired old coup attempts and babbling on in Gameplay about "region whores." Clearly, someone with as much, er, confidence as yourself must have accomplished a lot -- so please, enlighten us. What have you accomplished?

Also, leave people's personal shit out of it. This is the Security Council, not Days of Our Lives.

[Anur-Sanur]

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You know, for someone who talks so much smack so often you would think you had accomplished a lot in this game yourself. Yet I'm not aware of any accomplishments, just tired old coup attempts and babbling on in Gameplay about "region whores." Clearly, someone with as much, er, confidence as yourself must have accomplished a lot -- so please, enlighten us. What have you accomplished?

Also, leave people's personal shit out of it. This is the Security Council, not Days of Our Lives.

Thank you for your exhibition of a classic logical fallacy.

[Cerian Quilor]

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You know, for someone who talks so much smack so often you would think you had accomplished a lot in this game yourself. Yet I'm not aware of any accomplishments, just tired old coup attempts and babbling on in Gameplay about "region whores." Clearly, someone with as much, er, confidence as yourself must have accomplished a lot -- so please, enlighten us. What have you accomplished?

Also, leave people's personal shit out of it. This is the Security Council, not Days of Our Lives.

This is politics. And all politics is personal. especially NS politics.

[The Bruce]

<snip>

You know, for someone who talks so much smack so often you would think you had accomplished a lot in this game yourself. Yet I'm not aware of any accomplishments, just tired old coup attempts and babbling on in Gameplay about "region whores." Clearly, someone with as much, er, confidence as yourself must have accomplished a lot -- so please, enlighten us. What have you accomplished?

Also, leave people's personal shit out of it. This is the Security Council, not Days of Our Lives.

[Cromarty]

Georgie/Cromarty. I had a huge long post here in reply to your betrayal comment, I was told it'd probably send you into frothy hysterics. So I'll edit it out, leave you with my compliments, and remind you to ask this question: If I am a traitor to Osiris, who was the delegate who lost the region in the first place?

That would be me, yes?

No doubt my original post was screenshotted, you can ask around if you want the full treatment - not that you need a reason to go off, you've turned it into an art.

This is funny, considering your recent... 'episodes' on the Osiris irc.

Anyway, you may now recommence the same sad attempts to start a fight and make yourself look awesome, that you've been engaged in for the last two weeks, with my blessing. *shrugs*

This is also funny, considering you're the one who made this personal, and continues to do so. I don't need to get in a fight with you, I'll just let you implode yourself before you get any ideas on couping my region again.

(Oh and you thought you deserved the Vigilent of Horus? Ha!)

[McMasterdonia]

If I was to take a guess, I would say that this player is Chasmanther/Babiana/Sparaxis/Dierama. The flag is similar to the other ones and his answers to the questions posed seem to be in a similar way to how Chas writes (also the fact that his WA is in Taijitu). Why he would want to hide behind a puppet I'm not sure. If you feel that Biyah truly deserves commendation do it using your main nation or at least say who you are, have the strength of your convictions and be prepared to stand behind them... Moving on from that....

Biyah has contributed a lot to this game and I think he is a very capable and intelligent player, even with some of the coups and various things taken into consideration he has certainly contributed to this game and made it more interesting for many players involved. As can be seen from this thread, he inspires passions in people either for or against him unlike many other players in this game. This proposal does seem rather basic at this stage and would need to be expanded clearly and with more detail if it is to stand a chance to pass. It would be interesting to see the campaign for or against this proposal in the GCR regions and Osiris, if you like to drama watch.

[Lapeirousia]

@McM It's true I have many puppets, and people seem to have a hard time saying which is my main one if they don't focus on one at a time. When Condemn UDL came up I used my oldest nation (founded in 2004) to comment on it to make it appear like I just might be an experienced player (despite the fact I've been completely absent from international politics from 2003-2012). That was being sneaky about it, this isn't. Sparaxis/Babiana/Chasmanthe/Dierama/Lapeirousia were created within days of each other, any of them could be my 'main' nation or you could just consider them all to be puppets?

Anyway the game requires a minimum of two endorsements to submit a resolution proposal so naturally only one of my nations meets that criteria, puppet or otherwise. I'm remaining in Taijitu now to revive the region and would be glad when you decide to join, McM

@Feux I have been opposed to what Biyah does when undermining a region that I care about and I have been opposed to what Biyah says when denigrating another nation and saying they should not be listened to because they are not important or do not matter. The difference is that instead of a righteous stance, this is actually merely a difference of opinion.

@Anur I thought you were clever?

[SkyDip]

Either way, you have yet to provide us with an updated and legal draft. I'd suggest doing that first before worrying about the underlying ideological arguments you are attempting to make.

[Lapeirousia]

I think it might be legal now, here is

The Security Council,

Recognizing The Ever-Watchful Federation of Biyah as one of the most ancient and revered nations in the world;

Remembering the very many hats that this nation has worn and continues to wear, figuratively, having defended many regions of NationStates via its role in High Command of the Alliance Defense Network, and working behind the scenes during many of the more colourful moments of world history, like some kind of Fate, ensuring events unfold as they should;

Saddened that proper intelligence work seems to be a dying art in NationStates, and one in which Biyah has tremendously excelled, be it raiding with the Atlantic Alliance, defending with the ADN/UDL or assisting for or against coups d'etat in the pacifics, including, but not limited to, the WPT, the WPD, the Empire of Osiris, and the Coalition of the South Pacific.

Conceding that the leader of Biyah is a card carrying member of the ex-feeder tyrants club;

Noting, on the contrary, that [/i]The Empire[/i]'s regime, which this nation (via Lord Rahl) helped to perpetrate in The East Pacific, served not only to shake that region up, but also spurred the citizens of the member nations of that region, in the fullness of time, into creating for themselves a democratic system of regional government;

Celebrating the many and long-lasting contributions Biyah has made to community building, most recently in the The Sovereign Confederation, an inter-regional organization working to protect the sovereignty of its members, and in Osiris, where Biyah was represented as Kai Repat and Spokesperson of the Septarchy, and used Biyan influence to improve social cohesion of that group, promoting a strong regional identity for Osiris;

Realizing Biyah works tirelessly to protect what Biyah cares about;

Hereby commends the Ever-Watchful Federation of Biyah.

Like I said, I don't have as much time to concentrate on this as I thought I did, so, I would appreciate somebody co-author it with me, or write their own version if they prefer.

Still need to incorporate more content into it.

[SkyDip]

I think it might be legal now, here is

The Security Council,

Recognizing The Ever-Watchful Federation of Biyah as one of the most ancient and revered nations in the world;

Remembering the very many hats that this nation has worn and continues to wear, figuratively, having defended many regions of NationStates via its role in High Command of the Alliance Defense Network, and working behind the scenes during many of the more colourful moments of world history, like some kind of Fate, ensuring events unfold as they should;

Saddened that proper intelligence work seems to be a dying art in NationStates, and one in which Biyah has tremendously excelled, be it raiding with the Atlantic Alliance, defending with the ADN/UDL or assisting for or against coups d'etat in the pacifics, including, but not limited to, the WPT, the WPD, the Empire of Osiris, and the Coalition of the South Pacific.

Conceding that the leader of Biyah is a card carrying member of the ex-feeder tyrants club;

Noting, on the contrary, that [/i]The Empire[/i]'s regime, which this nation (via Lord Rahl) helped to perpetrate in The East Pacific, served not only to shake that region up, but also spurred the citizens of the member nations of that region, in the fullness of time, into creating for themselves a democratic system of regional government;

Celebrating the many and long-lasting contributions Biyah has made to community building, most recently in the The Sovereign Confederation, an inter-regional organization working to protect the sovereignty of its members, and in Osiris, where Biyah was represented as Kai Repat and Spokesperson of the Septarchy, and used Biyan influence to improve social cohesion of that group, promoting a strong regional identity for Osiris;

Realizing Biyah works tirelessly to protect what Biyah cares about;

Hereby commends the Ever-Watchful Federation of Biyah.

Like I said, I don't have as much time to concentrate on this as I thought I did, so, I would appreciate somebody co-author it with me, or write their own version if they prefer.

Still need to incorporate more content into it.

If you don't have time to write it, I don't think you should expect anyone else to, either.

[Lapeirousia]

I think it might be legal now, here is

The Security Council,

Recognizing The Ever-Watchful Federation of Biyah as one of the most ancient and revered nations in the world;

Remembering the very many hats that this nation has worn and continues to wear, figuratively, having defended many regions of NationStates via its role in High Command of the Alliance Defense Network, and working behind the scenes during many of the more colourful moments of world history, like some kind of Fate, ensuring events unfold as they should;

Saddened that proper intelligence work seems to be a dying art in NationStates, and one in which Biyah has tremendously excelled, be it raiding with the Atlantic Alliance, defending with the ADN/UDL or assisting for or against coups d'etat in the pacifics, including, but not limited to, the WPT, the WPD, the Empire of Osiris, and the Coalition of the South Pacific.

Conceding that the leader of Biyah is a card carrying member of the ex-feeder tyrants club;

Noting, on the contrary, that [/i]The Empire[/i]'s regime, which this nation (via Lord Rahl) helped to perpetrate in The East Pacific, served not only to shake that region up, but also spurred the citizens of the member nations of that region, in the fullness of time, into creating for themselves a democratic system of regional government;

Celebrating the many and long-lasting contributions Biyah has made to community building, most recently in the The Sovereign Confederation, an inter-regional organization working to protect the sovereignty of its members, and in Osiris, where Biyah was represented as Kai Repat and Spokesperson of the Septarchy, and used Biyan influence to improve social cohesion of that group, promoting a strong regional identity for Osiris;

Realizing Biyah works tirelessly to protect what Biyah cares about;

Hereby commends the Ever-Watchful Federation of Biyah.

Like I said, I don't have as much time to concentrate on this as I thought I did, so, I would appreciate somebody co-author it with me, or write their own version if they prefer.

Still need to incorporate more content into it.

If you don't have time to write it, I don't think you should expect anyone else to, either.

Thank you Mr Grey Joy, for saying what you think. Your feedback is greatly appreciated. I look forward to your next comment.

[Lapeirousia]

tl;dr

The OP has been updated with a new draft version (2).

Version 3 will be the next version. Contributions and feedback are welcome, but philosophically it's been pointed out to me, I have no basis to expect any.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Oh, and dear BBD - you got your own history wrong. Dominion was first, and lasted 24 hours. WPT lasted much longer - and while I did join it at first, yes, I wasn't told that Eli was going to bring the Merit in for support. Shasoria challenged me to find out the truth, I did, I stepped out and joined the resistance. I ended up hosting the GiE on the Refuge board.

Oh, and Lots of Ants admitted to being a GV agent. In fact, is active again in GV now. And since that campaign was run with TAO's approval, I don't quite think you have a stone to stand on there. Duh?

~B

Your coups are so similar Biyah, it's hard to distinguish between them. Especially 6 or 7 years later. And however many red herrings you produce about LoA, it still doesn't disguise the fact that your campaign failed. Duh yourself.

[Test4345323]

Ignoring the riffraff...

Recognizing The Ever-Watchful Federation of Biyah as one of the most ancient and revered nations in the world;

Being old is nothing commendable, and the concept of reverence does not appear to be one that bears much relevance to the majority of peoples views towards Biyah, perhaps unsurprisingly given the nature of intelligence work.

Remembering the very many hats that this nation has worn and continues to wear, figuratively, having defended many regions of NationStates via its role in High Command of the Alliance Defense Network, and working behind the scenes during many of the more colourful moments of world history, like some kind of Fate, ensuring events unfold as they should;

No problem with this section but I don't really get the fate bit (why the capital letter), seems a bit moronic. This section also needs more detail, there is nothing to differentiate Biyah's achievements from any other ADN high command member or the nature/significance of Biyah's work in the moments alluded to. I appreciate this is always difficult with intelligence work but I am unsure that a WA commendation is a fitting award for intelligence work anyway so there does need to be some more meat to this.

Saddened that proper intelligence work seems to be a dying art in NationStates, and one in which Biyah has tremendously excelled, be it raiding with the Atlantic Alliance, defending with the ADN/UDL or assisting for or against coups d'etat in the pacifics, including, but not limited to, the WPT, the WPD, the Empire of Osiris, and the Coalition of the South Pacific.

Again, this gives the authors opinion but doesn't really give any information to readers who may not know Biyah, most of those events mean nothing to me, let alone me knowing Biyah's role in them.

Conceding that the leader of Biyah is a card carrying member of the ex-feeder tyrants club;

Really don't like this line, smacks of geek clique

Noting, on the contrary, that [/i]The Empire[/i]'s regime, which this nation (via Lord Rahl) helped to perpetrate in The East Pacific, served not only to shake that region up, but also spurred the citizens of the member nations of that region, in the fullness of time, into creating for themselves a democratic system of regional government;

Defintely object to this line, I hate Security Council resolutions attributing the work of an individual under one nation name to another nation. If you want to commend Lord Rahl then commend Lord Rahl, if not then don't use an ingame/in character mechanism to recognise the achievements of this player. I particularly don't like the concept of commending someone because you attribute the (in my opinion, extremely commendable) achievements of other nations to them. There is not a successful democratic regional government in the East Pacific because of Biyah, but in spite of Biyah.

Celebrating the many and long-lasting contributions Biyah has made to community building, most recently in the The Sovereign Confederation, an inter-regional organization working to protect the sovereignty of its members, and in Osiris, where Biyah was represented as Kai Repat and Spokesperson of the Septarchy, and used Biyan influence to improve social cohesion of that group, promoting a strong regional identity for Osiris;

I heard about the Sovereign Confederation but when I looked it appeared to have done nothing and already be collapsing, apologies if I have this wrong having not been that active recently but statements on here seem to support that. This paragraph seems to undermine Biyah's successful endeavours. The Osiris section is worth retaining though;

Realizing Biyah works tirelessly to protect what Biyah cares about;

At this point I start to imagine that this is Biyah talking about himself in the third person. I'm not sure who it is authoring this commendation but it currently reads as being very hypocritical and contradictory, on the one hand praising Biyah's contribution to raiding, but then also to defending; praising his work to defend sovereignty but also his attempts to undermine it. There is no obvious argument why Biyah should be considered for exceptional commendation over other nations who have jumped between sides just as much as Biyah. That is not to say that there are not notable achievements for which Biyah very much deserves to be commended, Biyah has always come across as a very active and energetic nation in gameplaying terms, but they are not emphasised in this draft and there needs to be far more detail and a better idea of what about Biyah's contributions truly stand out as being commendable, because at the moment it is a vague list of things Biyah has done for no real ultimate cause other than his own interest and that is not something I would wish to commend.

Hope my comments are helpful, I hope I haven't been too scathing but I think this needs a lot of work if this commendation is to attract the votes needed to be approved. Biyah is a controversial figure, as shown in responses already and so the detail really is important. All the best,

[Feux]

Why can't people post important comments with their main nation? I'd like to know who I am agreeing with.

[Lapeirousia]

Well I appreciate your honesty, and the scathing it gives me an opportunity to develop a thick skin, I guess.

I can see why it comes across as a little hypocritical and contradictory. Either I didn't communicate it properly or there is something weak about the philosophy behind it.

I just wanted to make a contribution, but I find it hard to focus on something and develop it to conclusion. I know I asked for help, but I have no right to expect any help so I might as well give up, I can't really remember why I wanted to commend Biyah. Let's leave the thread open in case someone has an inspiration but I feel drained and negative about NS in general right now.

Also - who are you?? Please telegram me.

[Punk Reloaded]

Commend Biyah.

I needed this chuckle today.

[Todd McCloud]

Babiana wrote a good commendation, in my opinion.

I like how it is written, slanted toward the commend as opposed to condemn, because a lot of what he has done in the game can be seen in that light. Sure, the coups might be bad on the surface, but in many ways good has come from it. Furthermore, and this is based solely on my own observations, his coups aren't really designed to destroy a region; on the contrary, in many cases he could have (and is capable of, I believe) of holding a region for a very long time. They're designed to shake a region up, something that has been a benefit of some regions.

[Anur-Sanur]

Babiana wrote a good commendation, in my opinion.

I like how it is written, slanted toward the commend as opposed to condemn, because a lot of what he has done in the game can be seen in that light. Sure, the coups might be bad on the surface, but in many ways good has come from it. Furthermore, and this is based solely on my own observations, his coups aren't really designed to destroy a region; on the contrary, in many cases he could have (and is capable of, I believe) of holding a region for a very long time. They're designed to shake a region up, something that has been a benefit of some regions.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, well I'm sure everyone who didn't come to establish a domination of sorts surrounding the TEP delegacy on the back of his obnoxious coup will agree with you.

Who benefited again?

I'm also interested to find out how you feel about Biyah's remarking that the post-Empire TEP also deserved a similar shakeup, specifically referring to you and your management of the region.

Or why perhaps, Biyah's actions in TEP were noble, while Sedgistan's in TSP were not - you made a personal renaissance in TSP in the post-Devonitians era, when he adopted your "shakeup" logic and actually acted on it, being far less obnoxious and aggressive towards natives than the Empire was, even offering to hold elections soon after taking the seat.

But he should be punished by the SC, while Biyah should be lauded?

I think Mr. McCloud, you have it backwards.

[Feux]

I think Mr. McCloud, you have it backwards.

Lolwut. Off all the people to call backwards, Todd?

Anyway, * agrees with Todd's point.

[Anur-Sanur]

I think Mr. McCloud, you have it backwards.

Lolwut. Off all the people to call backwards, Todd?

Anyway, * agrees with Todd's point.

Thank you Jeux, for your substantive rebuttal.

You should leave questions directed at Mr. McCloud to Mr. McCloud himself.

[Feux]

Lolwut. Of all the people to call backwards, Todd?

Anyway, * agrees with Todd's point.

Thank you Jeux, for your substantive rebuttal.

You should leave questions directed at Mr. McCloud to Mr. McCloud himself.

Substantive? Lol no. I'm talking to you.