Should We Condem DEN?

[RiderSyl]

Guys, you've got it all wrong. Not about DEN though, but the aim of this topic!
They just want to stop DEN from reproducing by giving DEN a 'Condem'!

_{I'll show myself out...}

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I'll get your coat ...

[ChingisOtchigin]

-They take over 5-10 regions a day (we must save them)

Ouch

That's bullying.

[Stalicbaniac]

Yes, we should condemn DEN again. They raided the Plounge Commonwealth for a short time today but we were able to regain control.

My "give a fuck" level is over 9000 right now. We MUST condemn this HORRIFIC organization for raiding such a LARGE and PROSPEROUS region!

haha...

[Lord Ravenclaw]

It's worth noting that the OP has spent the last two hours getting both TNP and Euro to go after DEN.

OP is also banned in DEN.

I fail to see what the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats have to do with DEN. But as a note Ducklands, TNP has no actual grounds to target DEN at this time.

[Texasa]

DEN Has taken over[region]Planned Parenthood[/region!]

[We Are Not the NSA]

DEN Has taken over[region]Planned Parenthood[/region!]

That region has been tagged, not taken over. The damage can be easily repaired."

[Harenhime]

Do we really want to condemn The Black Riders again? That is essentially what we'd be doing.

I'd love that, please do. Maybe start with how I locked it up and made everyone there listen to The Doors?

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DEN Has taken over[region]Planned Parenthood[/region!]

They're just trying to do what syl said....

Guys, you've got it all wrong. Not about DEN though, but the aim of this topic!
They just want to stop DEN from reproducing by giving DEN a 'Condem'!

DEN is reaching our for protection voluntarily, at affordable and accessible costs. Don't let the Fenda-controlled World Assembly defund Planned Parenthood just because they're used to advertise for DEN too!

[Knot II]

We must stop this madness now.

I agree. Let's impose some economic sanctions against DEN and then threaten them with our nukes!

[We Are Not the NSA]

We must stop this madness now.

I agree. Let's impose some economic sanctions against DEN and then threaten them with our nukes!

But that would be an R3 violation.

[Naginii]

-They take over 5-10 regions a day (we must save them)

Ouch

That's bullying.

No, that's fiction.

They TAG raid.

Easily scrubbed-off. If they actually "took" 5-10 regions a day, that would put them on pace to be better than Macedon or some of this game's most epic empire builders. They don't raid for territory.

Stop making stuff-up for effect, because it's very, very, very easily debunked/disproved.

[ChingisOtchigin]

No, that's fiction.

They TAG raid.

Last I remember the word RAID was in effect there, unless you can describe how tag raiding doesn't fit under the category of "raiding", your point there is somewhat useless.

Easily scrubbed-off. If they actually "took" 5-10 regions a day, that would put them on pace to be better than Macedon or some of this game's most epic empire builders. They don't raid for territory.

You would be surprised. For example, DEN has been in St Abbadon for how long now? 3 Months? In those 3 months, I've put my name up on over 500 regions (not boasting, that's actually really bad for 3 months worth), but the fact remains: my name is in the St Abbadon WFE, however I doubt anyone has noticed it even once. ON the other hand, there are, at any given point, nigh on 50-ish regions out there with my name on them, that 30-ish I get every update + the ones that still haven't been removed.

Same with the DEN Flag, Everyone knows that DEN was responsible St Abbaddon, and that's great, those people also happen to already know what DEN is and what it's done, but in the long run, the impact happens through the 60 odd regions me and Varax put the DEN flag up on, almost every single day.[/quote]

Stop making stuff-up for effect, because it's very, very, very easily debunked/disproved.

Phrasing something flexibly =/= making things up. We do "take" a load of regions every day, we just don't keep them.

[We Are Not the NSA]

No, that's fiction.

They TAG raid.

Last I remember the word RAID was in effect there, unless you can describe how tag raiding doesn't fit under the category of "raiding", your point there is somewhat useless.

Easily scrubbed-off. If they actually "took" 5-10 regions a day, that would put them on pace to be better than Macedon or some of this game's most epic empire builders. They don't raid for territory.

You would be surprised. For example, DEN has been in St Abbadon for how long now? 3 Months? In those 3 months, I've put my name up on over 500 regions (not boasting, that's actually really bad for 3 months worth), but the fact remains: my name is in the St Abbadon WFE, however I doubt anyone has noticed it even once. ON the other hand, there are, at any given point, nigh on 50-ish regions out there with my name on them, that 30-ish I get every update + the ones that still haven't been removed.

Same with the DEN Flag, Everyone knows that DEN was responsible St Abbaddon, and that's great, those people also happen to already know what DEN is and what it's done, but in the long run, the impact happens through the 60 odd regions me and Varax put the DEN flag up on, almost every single day.

Stop making stuff-up for effect, because it's very, very, very easily debunked/disproved.

Phrasing something flexibly =/= making things up. We do "take" a load of regions every day, we just don't keep them.

Ching, tags are raids in which the raiders do not gain territory, they simply claim territory. Naginii is referring to the fact that refounding is the only way to truly conquer a region, tagging is simply a means of attack.

On another note, I think that Naginii misinterpreted your post because he did not realize it was sarcastic and/or he did not know you were a raider.

[Gandharasila]

Considering the issue of aggression, this forum should be used to bring DEN to talks with the aggrieved parties. If this resolution can bring about that effect, I am for it.

[We Are Not the NSA]

Considering the issue of aggression, this forum should be used to bring DEN to talks with the aggrieved parties. If this resolution can bring about that effect, I am for it.

It can't do that. Depending on your definition of "talks" (negotiations vs. discussions), the place to do that would be the gameplay forum.

[Contrivit]

Meh. I honestly couldn't care less. Let's be friends.

[Xoriet]

Considering the issue of aggression, this forum should be used to bring DEN to talks with the aggrieved parties. If this resolution can bring about that effect, I am for it.

*insert flame war*

<.< Have you seen angry natives talk to raiders before? It doesn't end well.

[The Imperial Abbey of Zwiersel]

Let the DEN exist. They are funny. They invaded once my feed region West Pacific. I will never forget how someone just made a new nation, and immediatly got banned.
This is what "democracy" to leads. As founder of a region, I am safe (I think). I have all the power <--> the endorsement system or how it is called.

Why don't YOU invade them?

[The union8181]

This Would be a waisted debate and failure of a bill plus it shows favoritism. Where was it at when the other nations where liberated Insteadd your friend gets liberated and yet you want a resolution. I say deny.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I have an idea - let's let this thread die. There is no proposal to discuss, the OP isn't coming back. Stick some earth on it, say a prayer and move on.

[The union8181]

I have an idea - let's let this thread die. There is no proposal to discuss, the OP isn't coming back. Stick some earth on it, say a prayer and move on.

Agreed

[Cuprum]

If you got raided is 'cuz you are weak. Survival of the fittest! - Darwin

[Have Fun With It]

What's the point of condemning DEN? If we do so, they get a badge of honor and we go about our lives like usual. The best way to condemn the practice? Stop giving them what they want.

[Naginii]

No, that's fiction.

They TAG raid.

Last I remember the word RAID was in effect there, unless you can describe how tag raiding doesn't fit under the category of "raiding", your point there is somewhat useless.

Easily scrubbed-off. If they actually "took" 5-10 regions a day, that would put them on pace to be better than Macedon or some of this game's most epic empire builders. They don't raid for territory.

You would be surprised. For example, DEN has been in St Abbadon for how long now? 3 Months? In those 3 months, I've put my name up on over 500 regions (not boasting, that's actually really bad for 3 months worth), but the fact remains: my name is in the St Abbadon WFE, however I doubt anyone has noticed it even once. ON the other hand, there are, at any given point, nigh on 50-ish regions out there with my name on them, that 30-ish I get every update + the ones that still haven't been removed.

Same with the DEN Flag, Everyone knows that DEN was responsible St Abbaddon, and that's great, those people also happen to already know what DEN is and what it's done, but in the long run, the impact happens through the 60 odd regions me and Varax put the DEN flag up on, almost every single day.

Stop making stuff-up for effect, because it's very, very, very easily debunked/disproved.

Phrasing something flexibly =/= making things up. We do "take" a load of regions every day, we just don't keep them.[/quote]

Tagging = taking. Interesting idea. Not in my DEN, but hey, new generation.

[Naginii]

Last I remember the word RAID was in effect there, unless you can describe how tag raiding doesn't fit under the category of "raiding", your point there is somewhat useless.



You would be surprised. For example, DEN has been in St Abbadon for how long now? 3 Months? In those 3 months, I've put my name up on over 500 regions (not boasting, that's actually really bad for 3 months worth), but the fact remains: my name is in the St Abbadon WFE, however I doubt anyone has noticed it even once. ON the other hand, there are, at any given point, nigh on 50-ish regions out there with my name on them, that 30-ish I get every update + the ones that still haven't been removed.

Same with the DEN Flag, Everyone knows that DEN was responsible St Abbaddon, and that's great, those people also happen to already know what DEN is and what it's done, but in the long run, the impact happens through the 60 odd regions me and Varax put the DEN flag up on, almost every single day.



Phrasing something flexibly =/= making things up. We do "take" a load of regions every day, we just don't keep them.

Ching, tags are raids in which the raiders do not gain territory, they simply claim territory. Naginii is referring to the fact that refounding is the only way to truly conquer a region, tagging is simply a means of attack.

On another note, I think that Naginii misinterpreted your post because he did not realize it was sarcastic and/or he did not know you were a raider.

Tag = Take. Interesting notion. Guys from my era, i.e. Macedon et.al., would disagree.

Thanks for clarifying. No, I didn't realize he was being sarcastic or that he was a DEN raider. That said, he probably doesn't realize that I was as well, or that he owes his ability to fly that DEN flag from his 60-odd tagged regions, to the permission given by myself and the few remaining DEN old guard. We gave our blessing to the new leadership when they reformed the most recent iteration. So, he and I are even

Condemn DEN? Whatever. Let this thing die. Or don't and try to condemn them again. Eitherway it's not going to make a whit of difference. They'll do what they do, as will all of the other raiding groups active on the gamemap.