[NEW Draft!] Commend The Black Riders

[Sierra Lyricalia]

I don't know if you touched on this on the last part of the draft but you should probably mention that the Black Riders has played a major part in adding an element of game-play that Nation States wouldn't really have otherwise, that being invading and defending.

I don't find this to be an improvement. At least, not without some balancing equivalent. I can't be the only one who finds this R/D business to be the single least compelling and imaginative aspect of the game.

Comparing TBR to Nazi Germany is not a very fair comparison, now is it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Front_%28World_War_I%29

[We Are Not the NSA]

I have a question. Is referencing the site rules legal, or does it count as a real world reference?

I also want to add "noting that there is no previous legislation making raiding legal," but I want to make sure that it is true. I think it is, but I'm afraid I missed something.

[We Are Not the NSA]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Front_%28World_War_I%29

While I do so love reading about history, I am not going to read an entire Wikipedia page just to try to figure out your point. If you could elaborate a bit more, I will be perfectly happy to further this debate.

This is assuming that the point is not that you meant WWI not WWII, because I don't think that posting a link is the best way to tell me what you are talking about.

[Gest]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Front_%28World_War_I%29

While I do so love reading about history, I am not going to read an entire Wikipedia page just to try to figure out your point. If you could elaborate a bit more, I will be perfectly happy to further this debate.

This is assuming that the point is not that you meant WWI not WWII, because I don't think that posting a link is the best way to tell me what you are talking about.

That is the gist of it. Germany occupied Belgium during both wars. All things considered the reference to Japan is equally as hyperbolic of comparing something to Nazism but being accused of being a Japanese Militarist doesn't usually come with the blowback of making a Nazi comparison.

Banzai!

[Sedgistan]

I have a question. Is referencing the site rules legal, or does it count as a real world reference?

It is possible to reference them, but not as "site rules". You'd have to be careful with your wording to ensure it's Rule 4 compliant.

[Redsward]

I have a question. Is referencing the site rules legal, or does it count as a real world reference?

I also want to add "noting that there is no previous legislation making raiding legal," but I want to make sure that it is true. I think it is, but I'm afraid I missed something.

Raiding was legalized when Regional Influence was introduced. Maybe you could vaguely reference that (I mean without referring to NS as a game.)

[Bankai Kurosaki]

I can't be the only one who finds this R/D business to be the single least compelling and imaginative aspect of the game.

Most if not all attempts by us to introduce a NS-worldwide interactive narrative/roleplaying element to the erstwhile global Invader/Raider forces have thus far been met with a general, rabies-filled outcry of "HERESY!!" or "YOU CAN'T DO THAT, YOU'RE NOT REAL ROLEPLAYERS!!" from such "roleplayer" contingents throughout the game, no matter how much detail might be invited on the Invader side.

Or...
"If we're going to be damned, let's been damned for what we really are."
- Captain Jean-Luc Picard
...and be honest about the numerous shackles that others have tried to place on such behaviors.

[We Are Not the NSA]

Would the clause "Noting that the act of raiding was made legal with the introduction of the influence system" be an R4 violation? I can't tell if it counts as referencing a real life event, but since the influence system just appeared in the game world one day, there has to be a way to reference it.

[Sedgistan]

That would be a Rule 4 violation - it's too clear a reference to a new feature being added to the game. Besides, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make - raiding has never been illegal.

[The Psychic Rabbits]

They have been condemned for a reason, you know. Commending them for the same reason is stupid! Why don't we condemn Nugut too, since TBR uses that region for update raids?

Also, it's notable that We Are Not the NSA is a Black Rider.

[Redsward]

They have been condemned for a reason, you know. Commending them for the same reason is stupid! Why don't we condemn Nugut too, since TBR uses that region for update raids?

Also, it's notable that We Are Not the NSA is a Black Rider.

Condemning a puppet storage is absolutely ridiculous. TBR has enough condemnations. I do get your point about the "same reason" statement- that would be a violation of R2b.

Also it's notable that you are a pure-blooded defender.

[The Psychic Rabbits]

They have been condemned for a reason, you know. Commending them for the same reason is stupid! Why don't we condemn Nugut too, since TBR uses that region for update raids?

Also, it's notable that We Are Not the NSA is a Black Rider.

Condemning a puppet storage is absolutely ridiculous. TBR has enough condemnations. I do get your point about the "same reason" statement- that would be a violation of R2b.

Also it's notable that you are a pure-blooded defender.

Meh, I just know what I'm doing and don't feel like purposely screwing the game up for other people. A friend of mine founded a region, both Nugut and TBR invaded, we kicked them out, and I did research from there. Anyway, the minute Halcones leaves, his entire region is going up in flames anyway, since everyone hates them due to their intent on screwing the game for everyone else.

[We Are Not the NSA]

Condemning a puppet storage is absolutely ridiculous. TBR has enough condemnations. I do get your point about the "same reason" statement- that would be a violation of R2b.

Also it's notable that you are a pure-blooded defender.

Meh, I just know what I'm doing and don't feel like purposely screwing the game up for other people. A friend of mine founded a region, both Nugut and TBR invaded, we kicked them out, and I did research from there. Anyway, the minute Halcones leaves, his entire region is going up in flames anyway, since everyone hates them due to their intent on screwing the game for everyone else.

Nugut is actually just a launching point for TBR. It has no separate leadership, so you they were only invaded by TBR.

[Free Republics]

I would probably support this. If the Black Riders didn't exist, somebody would have to create them or something like them. Otherwise, when would anything interesting ever happen on the Gameplay side of things?

[Mallorea and Riva]

I can tentatively support this idea although the draft could use some bolstering with more specific examples of TBR occupations.

[Redsward]

I can tentatively support this idea although the draft could use some bolstering with more specific examples of TBR occupations.

You're right, but this proposal will never reach quorum. Because 'fenders want TBR to have the condemnation symbol covering half their region page.

I would probably support this. If the Black Riders didn't exist, somebody would have to create them or something like them. Otherwise, when would anything interesting ever happen on the Gameplay side of things?

Exactly. The Riders are essentially the "bad guys" of NationStates. They give the defenders a common opponent, which is a good thing. And that used to be the case with Macedon and TBH as well. Without the R/D game, NS would be boring. It's much more popular now than it was then, likely because of raiding's legalization.

It's more realistic as well. The R/D game is the only form of war gameplay.

[Mundiferrum]

It's more realistic as well. The R/D game is the only form of war gameplay.

Thought I'd put that in, just to be clear.

[We Are Not the NSA]

Yeah, I've been working on a way to mention some of the stuff you guys have been saying, but it is difficult to keep it in context. Just so everybody knows, I plan on finishing the draft around christmas time, then I will submit it a few days later, possibly on the first. If anyone has any more suggestions, please share them, the criticism so far has been helpful.

[Redsward]

One more thing- they have no sense of democracy. All their WA Delegates are defenders who tried to raid TBR. Those silly boys (girls?) don't even bother to check the TBR administration page- TBR disabled executive WA Delegates.

[Toronina]

How about no?

[Cyllea]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHhahahahahhano

[We Are Not the NSA]

I just noticed something, and I am not sure if it is illegal. "The Black Riders" name is a plural, and they are a plural. In my draft, I use the name of the region as a plural, but since there is only one region called The Black Riders, should I be using the singular?
For example, should it be:
-The Black Riders have...
or
-The Black Riders has... ?

I ask because the commendation will commend the region, not the organization.

[Sedgistan]

Use the actual name of the region - "The Black Riders".

[We Are Not the NSA]

Use the actual name of the region - "The Black Riders".

But would I treat like a plural or a singular word?

[Rundashia]

So, I understand that they've added their own little element to the game for some players, but what about people who don't want to have to worry about raiders mucking up their region? What about those who don't want a locked region and be forced to have a founder that has to watch everything carefully, and maybe just want to RP?

I feel like the Black Riders do add a certain element, but at the same time take away a lot for other players. If you were to ask me, I'd ban them all. They simply don't care about people who find it irritating, rather than fun to deal with raiders.

EDIT: I'd also like to add, they make a lot of the game bland, all they do when they raid a region is put up that stupid banner and then suppress posts, oh so fun.