[ABANDONED] Repeal "Condemn General Halcones"

[Extremesy]

Please support this repeal by helping it reach quorum!
I will allow anyone to use parts of my draft in their own without giving me credit.

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DETERMINING that SC#165; Condemn General Halcones fails to meet the standards for important Condemnations such as these, and was written in bad faith by its author nation.

DISGUSTED that the nation that authored SC#165, Nephmir, now openly admits that they gave this nation a Condemnation that was intended to be poorly written, so they would not have a proper Condemnation.

BELIEVING that this blatant manipulation of the process of the Security Council and the nations of the World Assembly should not be allowed to stand.

NOTING that SC#165 makes absolutely no mention of the important history between General Halcones and The Black Hawks, who were pivotal in turning General Halcones into a well-known raider prior to the existence of The Black Riders.

FURTHER DISGUSTED that the author nation openly admits information such as the above was left out in the Condemnation on purpose, so those that read it would not know all of this nation's sour deeds.

STATING that General Halcones has had almost no direct involvement in leading raids on over 5000 regions, contrary to one of the claims of SC#165; This contradiction is even noted in the Condemnation itself, which mentions in detail how General Halcones' system provides as much distance as possible between their actions and the actions of their forces.

BAFFLED by the fact that SC#165 condemns General Halcones partially on the basis that they have ordered their forces to vote against WA proposals that tackle International Crime, when General Halcones has shown no interest in the WA other than using it to capture regions.

BELIEVING that General Halcones should be Condemned, but by a more in-depth and more accurate Condemnation, so newer nations fully understand what they are dealing with when they cross paths with this nation.

MAKING IT KNOWN that the author nation's use of this Council to enact petty revenge on another by giving them a poorly-written Condemnation is unacceptable behavior and will not be allowed to stand, now or any other time.

Hereby Repeals SC#165: Condemn General Halcones.

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A new revelation had me push this forward ASAP. I thought this should have been a better Condemnation in the first place, and a repeal would help open up the opportunity for someone to write it with some actual effort. As it turns out, the author of the Condemnation made it a bad one on purpose, as he admitted below in this thread:

AUTHOR OF THE ORIGINAL CONDEMN GENERAL HACLONES:

I gave Halcones a semi-poorly written condemnation for two reasons, the main reason being that he wants all of his deeds to be recorded in the Condemnation; giving him a condemnation such as this was, in a way, heartbreaking, since he would want it to be repealed and replaced with something better that I, along with the international community (up until now apparently), don't think he deserves.

I have submitted this repeal to the SC. Now it needs to pass quorum. Please provide your support.

[Feux]

I think this is an excellent proposal, and I am behind it.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

(again I'm not concrete on the rules around here...) Is there issue with lines like "he allegedly orders his forces" - as in theory, it's a nation and thus has not a gender?

[Feux]

(again I'm not concrete on the rules around here...) Is there issue with lines like "he allegedly orders his forces" - as in theory, it's a nation and thus has not a gender?

Yes. You are correct.

[Chester Pearson]

Looks good to me....

[Extremesy]

Thanks for your compliments on the draft, Feux and Chester Pearson.

Souls, Thanks for catching that silly Rule4b violation. I've fixed the line it was on.

[Westerly Winds]

"still assist him on"

Order, ordered, give orders to ...but not "they allegedly orders"

Glad to help I'm learning..slowly

[Extremesy]

Thanks for the extra assistance in spotting another sneaky Rule4 violation Westerly Winds, as well as "they allegedly orders" which was a monster created by too much rewriting.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

(both me, by the way, unintentional puppet switch ;P)

Glad to help!

[Sichuan Pepper]

Gest flies Den flag. Is he a Hawk Rider as well?

[Extremesy]

I don't really understand what you're asking, Pepper... but I do know that for General Halcones, the Black Hawks and their actions were no less despicable and no less harmful to natives, years before before The Black Riders came around, and gave him the experience and connections he needed for The Black Riders to eventually succeed. I'm using Gest as an example of one of those connections. Sadly, all of that goes completely unmentioned in the original Condemnation. It's as if The Black Hawks didn't even exist. It's as if Halcones should only be punished for what he's done with his latest region, which I don't agree with.

Believe me I think he should be condemned too, but it should be done better, just like the original Black Riders proposal was done better after someone looked to repeal it.

[Nephmir]

I gave Halcones a semi-poorly written condemnation for two reasons, the main reason being that he wants all of his deeds to be recorded in the Condemnation; giving him a condemnation such as this was, in a way, heartbreaking, since he would want it to be repealed and replaced with something better that I, along with the international community (up until now apparently), don't think he deserves.

[New Brussels]

I gave Halcones a semi-poorly written condemnation for two reasons, the main reason being that he wants all of his deeds to be recorded in the Condemnation; giving him a condemnation such as this was, in a way, heartbreaking, since he would want it to be repealed and replaced with something better that I, along with the international community (up until now apparently), don't think he deserves.

So, in other words, you did it for the badge?

The repeal has my full support.

[Applebania]

"New Players"?

[Extremesy]

Due to the new information that the author of the Condemnation wrote it poorly and left out information on purpose, I changed the tone of the repeal, fixed many rule violations, provided some touch-ups, and submitted the Repeal to the SC.

All support is appreciated, and will be necessary in getting this to pass.

[Jordsindia]

My puppet will support it.

[Nephmir]

I gave Halcones a semi-poorly written condemnation for two reasons, the main reason being that he wants all of his deeds to be recorded in the Condemnation; giving him a condemnation such as this was, in a way, heartbreaking, since he would want it to be repealed and replaced with something better that I, along with the international community (up until now apparently), don't think he deserves.

So, in other words, you did it for the badge?

The repeal has my full support.

Um, no, read it again?

Due to the new information that the author of the Condemnation wrote it poorly and left out information on purpose, I changed the tone of the repeal, fixed many rule violations, provided some touch-ups, and submitted the Repeal to the SC.

All support is appreciated, and will be necessary in getting this to pass.

It's almost like none of you were listening.

I don't know why I still bother.

Good luck.

[Rifty]

Full support from myself and the rest of The Association of Imperialism!

It's almost like none of you were listening.

Last time I checked it's hard to listen to someones who has left the forums a fair few dozen times~

[Redsward]

I am all for. I can't stand condemnations for TBR. First Gest, now Halcones. LOL

[Normlpeople]

I gave Halcones a semi-poorly written condemnation for two reasons, the main reason being that he wants all of his deeds to be recorded in the Condemnation; giving him a condemnation such as this was, in a way, heartbreaking, since he would want it to be repealed and replaced with something better that I, along with the international community (up until now apparently), don't think he deserves.

I never understood this thinking. Don't condemn raiders, thats what they want, but if your a WA deligate of a major region of an active defender in an alphabet "treaty", this place can't give them thier gold star fast enough. Condemnations are not a good thing, this place needs to realize that even if these raiders see it as honorable, it is not so at all.

General Harlcones needs to be condemned. I will support a repeal only if a better and more thorough condemnation is on the books already. As such, opposed.

[Redsward]

I gave Halcones a semi-poorly written condemnation for two reasons, the main reason being that he wants all of his deeds to be recorded in the Condemnation; giving him a condemnation such as this was, in a way, heartbreaking, since he would want it to be repealed and replaced with something better that I, along with the international community (up until now apparently), don't think he deserves.

I never understood this thinking. Don't condemn raiders, thats what they want, but if your a WA deligate of a major region of an active defender in an alphabet "treaty", this place can't give them thier gold star fast enough. Condemnations are not a good thing, this place needs to realize that even if these raiders see it as honorable, it is not so at all.

General Harlcones needs to be condemned. I will support a repeal only if a better and more thorough condemnation is on the books already. As such, opposed.

Dude, you're just going to satisfy the raiders. I am absolutely sick and tired of those dipsh*t defenders who always tell us: "KILL THE BLACK RIDERS KILL THE BLACK RIDERS THEY ARE EVIL AND MUST BE DESTROYED!"

Then they try to destroy TBR by condemning TBR.

[Nephmir]

I never understood this thinking. Don't condemn raiders, thats what they want, but if your a WA deligate of a major region of an active defender in an alphabet "treaty", this place can't give them thier gold star fast enough. Condemnations are not a good thing, this place needs to realize that even if these raiders see it as honorable, it is not so at all.

General Harlcones needs to be condemned. I will support a repeal only if a better and more thorough condemnation is on the books already. As such, opposed.

Dude, you're just going to satisfy the raiders. I am absolutely sick and tired of those dipsh*t defenders who always tell us: "KILL THE BLACK RIDERS KILL THE BLACK RIDERS THEY ARE EVIL AND MUST BE DESTROYED!"

Then they try to destroy TBR by condemning TBR.

In all seriousness, I don't think the Defenders are as dumb as you think.

Most people know that a Condemnation won't destroy a region. Kindly point to a Condemnation that stated that it was intended to destroy TBR or a member of it.

[Toronina]

I gave Halcones a semi-poorly written condemnation for two reasons, the main reason being that he wants all of his deeds to be recorded in the Condemnation; giving him a condemnation such as this was, in a way, heartbreaking, since he would want it to be repealed and replaced with something better that I, along with the international community (up until now apparently), don't think he deserves.

So in other words, you did it so you could feel good and have more stuff to your name?

[Novus Niciae]

Since a nation can have multiple condemnations it may be better for many reasons to write a better condemnation and get it passed and then repeal the one you think is poorly written.

[Chester Pearson]

Since a nation can have multiple condemnations it may be better for many reasons to write a better condemnation and get it passed and then repeal the one you think is poorly written.

Then the argument will be made that he already has one, so why should he have another. The SC had no problems repealing Luna's commendation so that it could be replaced with a better one (that has yet to materialize)....