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Postby Krankor » Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:17 am

Panait wrote:The current poll occurred as extremely shocking to our government. Therefore, we have to ask all of you non-newbie fellows: Do most of the nations vote not knowing what a resolution will impact?


The vast majority of SC nations vote believing what a resolution will appear to impact.

There is much that is hidden.

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Postby Chester Pearson » Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:21 am

Let's try this a different way Panalt. In general principle Security Council resolutions, and in particualr liberations, are almost always considered out of character as they affect gameplay. If you are not into the R/D aspect of the game, liberation proposals can be a difficult thing to understand.

The original liberation was passed as a political move. Then Rifty, and cronies decided to spam us with telegrams. Since the liberation served no purpose, its repeal is necessary to prevent the region from becoming a warzone, and to allow the natives to refound it in peace.

I hope that clears things up?
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Postby Rifty » Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:25 am

Chester Pearson wrote:Let's try this a different way Panalt. In general principle Security Council resolutions, and in particualr liberations, are almost always considered out of character as they affect gameplay. If you are not into the R/D aspect of the game, liberation proposals can be a difficult thing to understand.

The original liberation was passed as a political move. Then Rifty, and cronies decided to spam us with telegrams. Since the liberation served no purpose, its repeal is necessary to prevent the region from becoming a warzone, and to allow the natives to refound it in peace.

I hope that clears things up?

You say it like iman evil person - Gosh. I broke no rules in those telegrams...i followed site rules. I think it's fine for me to send as many telegrams whenever...and to whoever i want as long as it fits within site rules. Port blood has already got be thinking of an entire word telegram stating im awesome~ :rofl:
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Postby Panait » Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:35 am

Krankor wrote:The vast majority of SC nations vote believing what a resolution will appear to impact.

There is much that is hidden.


That is actually a reasonable explanation. OoC, I started playing this 'game' assuming it is heavy on roleplay and takes itself seriously. /OoC. From what I learnt on the forums, combined with the explanation of yours, gives me a clear picture of a simple-minded UN that judges everything it is presented ostensibly, with only a minor group actually understanding what is happening.

Chester Pearson wrote:Let's try this a different way Panalt. In general principle Security Council resolutions, and in particualr liberations, are almost always considered out of character as they affect gameplay. If you are not into the R/D aspect of the game, liberation proposals can be a difficult thing to understand.

The original liberation was passed as a political move. Then Rifty, and cronies decided to spam us with telegrams. Since the liberation served no purpose, its repeal is necessary to prevent the region from becoming a warzone, and to allow the natives to refound it in peace.

I hope that clears things up?


We understand the reasons and motives behind this liberation and repeal. As we pointed out, we were well aware a repeal would be drafted by nations opposing the side of Rifty, etc. because we had monitored the situation on the liberation resolution forum. As was explained above, though, apparently Delegates vote based on what is shown, not what is beneath what is shown. OoC, not quite the in-depth political simulation I was expecting./OoC
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Postby Blood Wine » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:39 am

Panait wrote:Unless, of course, Rifty's, or anybody else's, TG campaign has had a massive brainwashing success.


TBR has a massive brainwashing influence
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Postby Lexicor » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:56 am

Honestly the repeal is being supported because the dispute over the region between Len and Rifty was resolved somewhat and due to the UFoC's telegram effort. The vote stacking by GCRs and the fact that natives are involved in the refound now of CoF makes the resolution wholly unecessary.

We need a password up to avoid getting sniped [like Hippiedom].
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:34 am

Panait wrote:The current poll occurred as extremely shocking to our government. Therefore, we have to ask all of you non-newbie fellows: Do most of the nations vote not knowing what a resolution will impact? Does anyone actually read and make sure they understand the resolution?. The same group of members, passing a bill with a clear majority, then immediately attempt to repeal it, with an overwhelming support.

Quite ridiculous, if you ask me.


The lib was passed by a combination of misleading TG's designed to do so, Cormac voting for it and writing it and having big friends and campaigning, and the fact that it had "Liberation" in the title.

The repeal was in fact proposed by the nations trying to get the Lib *not* to pass, contains a more full (if not a little out of date) information, and followed by Cormac choosing to support it and us kinda-not-really-maybe working out something with Rifty, and people being fed up with TG's from the Rifty side. So the group of people who made it are the opposite of the ones who passed it, even if some of the votes on it are the same.

Not that that situation is unheard of taking place in a completely normal way, however. There are cases where there were raiders in a region, the region was libbed, the region was *physically* liberated from the raiders, and then the SC liberation was repealed so the natives could again protect their region. It's not an unheard of process.

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Postby Chester Pearson » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:09 pm

Rifty wrote:Well - Make it pass than mate.


You were saying?
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Postby Rifty » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:18 am

Chester Pearson wrote:
Rifty wrote:Well - Make it pass than mate.


You were saying?

I threw in support before it even went up? Do you follow current events or what? XDDD
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Postby Arvenia » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:00 pm

Lexicor wrote:
Category: Repeal| Proposed by: Lexicor

Repeal Liberate Coalition of Freedom

The Security Council,

Noting that the founder of Coalition of Freedom, Riftend disappeared, leaving the region defenseless,

Further Noting that Riftend, under a new nation Rifty ordered the evacuation of natives from the region to the The Eternal Knights

Acknowledging that several active nations who refused to evacuate were ejected by the delegate Republic of South Carolina

Realizing that after South Carolina had ejected most remaining natives that the delegate still lacked the adequate influence to password the region,

Further realizing that South Carolina subsequently left the region, on the orders of Rifty, rendering it defenseless from any raids and refound attempts,

Appalled by the propaganda campaign waged against the current occupiers of Coalition of Freedom in an attempt to gain sympathy from this council,

Disgusted by the blatant hypocrisy of this liberation effort with the Coalition of Freedom having a notorious history as a raiding organization,

Vexed by the sudden renewed interest in the region by The Eternal Knights due to another native spearheading a refound effort,

Hereby repeals "Liberate Coalition of Freedom"


Arvenia will support the Coalition of Freedom in order to end the conflict between the Coalition of Freedom and the Eternal Knights.
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Postby Lexicor » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:08 pm

Arvenia wrote:
Lexicor wrote:
Category: Repeal| Proposed by: Lexicor

Repeal Liberate Coalition of Freedom

The Security Council,

Noting that the founder of Coalition of Freedom, Riftend disappeared, leaving the region defenseless,

Further Noting that Riftend, under a new nation Rifty ordered the evacuation of natives from the region to the The Eternal Knights

Acknowledging that several active nations who refused to evacuate were ejected by the delegate Republic of South Carolina

Realizing that after South Carolina had ejected most remaining natives that the delegate still lacked the adequate influence to password the region,

Further realizing that South Carolina subsequently left the region, on the orders of Rifty, rendering it defenseless from any raids and refound attempts,

Appalled by the propaganda campaign waged against the current occupiers of Coalition of Freedom in an attempt to gain sympathy from this council,

Disgusted by the blatant hypocrisy of this liberation effort with the Coalition of Freedom having a notorious history as a raiding organization,

Vexed by the sudden renewed interest in the region by The Eternal Knights due to another native spearheading a refound effort,

Hereby repeals "Liberate Coalition of Freedom"


Arvenia will support the Coalition of Freedom in order to end the conflict between the Coalition of Freedom and the Eternal Knights.


What conflict? TeK has all but imploded.
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Postby Mousebumples » Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:02 pm

After a regional vote of 9-0-1 on our forums, I have voted In Favor of this resolution, on behalf of Europeia. We were against the original liberation, in large part because of this clause within its text:
Recalling that Coalition of Freedom was placed under the authority of The Eternal Knights after its Founder nation ceased to exist, and that the regional population of Coalition of Freedom has begun the process of merging with The Eternal Knights;

From all accounts, most of the natives within the region have already relocated to a new region, so a liberation is wholly unnecessary.

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Postby Lexicor » Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:18 pm

Mousebumples wrote:After a regional vote of 9-0-1 on our forums, I have voted In Favor of this resolution, on behalf of Europeia. We were against the original liberation, in large part because of this clause within its text:
Recalling that Coalition of Freedom was placed under the authority of The Eternal Knights after its Founder nation ceased to exist, and that the regional population of Coalition of Freedom has begun the process of merging with The Eternal Knights;

From all accounts, most of the natives within the region have already relocated to a new region, so a liberation is wholly unnecessary.

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We thank you for the support.
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Postby District XIV » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:27 pm

• 12 hours ago: Unibot III voted against the World Assembly Resolution "Repeal "Liberate Coalition Of Freedom"".

TBH, I laughed pretty hard.

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Postby Lexicor » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:29 pm

District XIV wrote:
• 12 hours ago: Unibot III voted against the World Assembly Resolution "Repeal "Liberate Coalition Of Freedom"".

TBH, I laughed pretty hard.


Why :unsure:
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Postby District XIV » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:30 pm

Lexicor wrote:
District XIV wrote:
• 12 hours ago: Unibot III voted against the World Assembly Resolution "Repeal "Liberate Coalition Of Freedom"".

TBH, I laughed pretty hard.


Why :unsure:

Because it was funny that Unibot voted against.

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Postby Chester Pearson » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:56 pm

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Lexicor wrote:
Why :unsure:

Because it was funny that Unibot voted against.


Uni is just exercising his political beliefs now that he is a delegate.... As far as Uni is concerned, every region should be liberated!
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Postby Nordenwald » Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:14 pm

Chester Pearson wrote:
District XIV wrote:Because it was funny that Unibot voted against.


Uni is just exercising his political beliefs now that he is a delegate.... As far as Uni is concerned, every region should be liberated!


You mean that isn't what you are supposed to do? I thought it was the Security Council's job to liberate every region, even if it doesn't have a password.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:42 pm

Just doing some random analysis, and the vote had pretty steadily held at an approximate 1-4 ratio "for." At the moment of posting, it's 1459-6359, or 1-4.36 (rounded to hundredths)
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Postby District XIV » Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:43 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Just doing some random analysis, and the vote had pretty steadily held at an approximate 1-4 ratio "for." At the moment of posting, it's 1459-6359, or 1-4.36 (rounded to hundredths)

Dammit m8, you had to do maths on it, now the vote's succession seems more school-like ;-;

:p

Anyway, I'm glad this is succeeding and I hope the refound's outcome is marvelous.

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Postby Lexicor » Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:15 pm

District XIV wrote:
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Just doing some random analysis, and the vote had pretty steadily held at an approximate 1-4 ratio "for." At the moment of posting, it's 1459-6359, or 1-4.36 (rounded to hundredths)

Dammit m8, you had to do maths on it, now the vote's succession seems more school-like ;-;

:p

Anyway, I'm glad this is succeeding and I hope the refound's outcome is marvelous.


Hopefully Panem is restored to its former glory so we can host a regional Hunger Games! :P
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Postby Nordenwald » Sat Aug 23, 2014 5:59 am

Lexicor wrote:
District XIV wrote:Dammit m8, you had to do maths on it, now the vote's succession seems more school-like ;-;

:p

Anyway, I'm glad this is succeeding and I hope the refound's outcome is marvelous.


Hopefully Panem is restored to its former glory so we can host a regional Hunger Games! :P


Where once a year Panem is declared a warzone, and 24 nations battle it out? You know, whoever is delegate at the end wins (or something like that).
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Postby Rifty » Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:07 am

Looking forward to the falling of the liberation.
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Postby Lexicor » Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:55 am

Rifty wrote:Looking forward to the falling of the liberation.


You flip flop more than Mitt Romney! :p
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Postby NoblePhnx » Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:45 pm

Lexicor wrote:
Rifty wrote:Looking forward to the falling of the liberation.


You flip flop more than Mitt Romney! :p

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