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The Tavan Race
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Tavan Race » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:29 am

Kirhean Tribes wrote:
The Tavan Race wrote:Perhaps you would post some example of a country with slavery whose economy was directly affected in a negative way by it?



The United States of America


One of the primary issues of the Civil War was slavery, and wars are generally bad for the economy.

I quote my above post
Kirhean Tribes wrote: "Slavery is an efficient means to ensure rebellion."

- Matriarch Si'nxj Mada

It is not only illegal, it is inadvisable as well. Oppressed individuals tend to turn on their masters, even in the best circumstances.


You are, of course, assuming that said slaves are oppressed enough to rebel. If this is not the case, and we have laws to ensure that it isn't, then no problem ensues, and life continues on as normal.

As for your example, the primary issue was secession, not slavery. The war may not have begun at all were it not for South Carolina.
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Kirhean Tribes
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Postby Kirhean Tribes » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:40 am

As for your example, the primary issue was secession, not slavery. The war may not have begun at all were it not for South Carolina.


I did not say THE primary issue, just ONE of the primary issues.


And slavery is slavery no matter how "nice" it is. Eventually someone gets they idea they're being opressed and feels they deserve a better position in society.

Then you get civil unrest.
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Dimoniquid
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Dimoniquid » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:50 am

No, we don't.

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Postby Dimoniquid » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:50 am

No, we don't.

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The Tavan Race
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Postby The Tavan Race » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:57 am

Kirhean Tribes wrote:
As for your example, the primary issue was secession, not slavery. The war may not have begun at all were it not for South Carolina.


I did not say THE primary issue, just ONE of the primary issues.


And slavery is slavery no matter how "nice" it is. Eventually someone gets they idea they're being opressed and feels they deserve a better position in society.

Then you get civil unrest.


Oh, really? I could say the same of employment. Some people may want a better position in society, but they have yet to revolt. Should we give everyone working at fast food joints scientific careers for fear that they may eventually rise up and destroy our infrastructure?
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The Last Remnant
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Postby The Last Remnant » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:59 am

Kirhean Tribes wrote:
As for your example, the primary issue was secession, not slavery. The war may not have begun at all were it not for South Carolina.


I did not say THE primary issue, just ONE of the primary issues.


And slavery is slavery no matter how "nice" it is. Eventually someone gets they idea they're being opressed and feels they deserve a better position in society.

Then you get civil unrest.


that’s just not true at all the Romans practise slavery. In roam people could become slaves of their own accord (I mean Romans the other countries were forced) some Romans use to become slaves to repay a great debt or to escape prediction from the law, as you couldn’t put a slave to trial as they were some ones property. Also a lot of people for poorer family became unpaid slaves because this got them out of the poorer lifestyle. These people were not oppressed at all but were signed in to contracts.

I’m not saying slavery isn’t oppressive, coss most of the time it is but I am saying to be so blunt as to say

Slavery = oppression

Is just unfounded.

edit: *high fives The Tavan Race*
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The Tavan Race
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Postby The Tavan Race » Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:29 am

Yeah, the Tavan race is like by another person! [/blatant plagiarism]
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Anarchy

Postby Sungai Pusat » Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:40 am

Well, Sungai Pusat states in the new Free Merket Act of Year 75 that all unfree acts of the market is illegial.
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The shee species
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Postby The shee species » Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:23 am

Some people call ettins slaves, we would like to dissagree. We GMed them as workers, and they like it. Ask any ettin you come across....

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Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Victorious Decepticons » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:53 pm

Kirhean Tribes wrote:"Slavery is an efficient means to ensure rebellion."

- Matriarch Si'nxj Mada


It is not only illegal, it is inadvisable as well. Oppressed individuals tend to turn on their masters, even in the best circumstances.

We are not afraid of the "rebellion" of a few puny humans, who are only about 1/20th our size and are made of mere mush instead of metal. Any who act up are literally squashed underfoot.

The rest of the slaves at the affected worksite always suddenly remember that it is a privilege to be allowed to live, and that such privilege is gained only by their service to us!
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The Nuclear Fist
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:58 pm

All people who are not sentenced to death(by a judge and jury) become slaves for a period of time.
-All POWs within our territories become slaves.
-All foreign criminals become slaves

Anyone who enslaves a natural-born citizen of The Nuclear Fist are sentenced to death.
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Saurisia
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Postby Saurisia » Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:24 pm

Slavery's legal, although its only form is using Human prisoners as slaves, it's a common punishment for not-so-extreme crimes (petty ones are punished with 15 years in prison and a daily tail-whipping by the Saurian guards, while more extreme crimes get you executed). The two most common forms of being employed as slaves are working in factories producing weapons of war and working in the mines harvesting resources.
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The Tavan Race
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Postby The Tavan Race » Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:26 pm

Saurisia wrote:Slavery's legal, although its only form is using Human prisoners as slaves, it's a common punishment for not-so-extreme crimes (petty ones are punished with 15 years in prison and a daily tail-whipping by the Saurian guards, while more extreme crimes get you executed). The two most common forms of being employed as slaves are working in factories producing weapons of war and working in the mines harvesting resources.


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OMGeverynameistaken
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Corporate Police State

Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:35 pm

The Russian Empire practices serfdom, which is more or less slavery where the slaves have rights, aren't legally property, cannot be sold outside the Empire and can attain citizen status through military service (only 25 years in an army with a 20% casualty rate in training!) or purchasing themselves. Oh, and they get to vote in local elections.

So they're kind of semi-slaves.

The practice of 'real' slavery and the slave trade itself have been illegal in the Russian Empire for a long, long, time.
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The Rhenish Nation
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Postby The Rhenish Nation » Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:19 pm

The Tavan Race wrote:
Saurisia wrote:Slavery's legal, although its only form is using Human prisoners as slaves, it's a common punishment for not-so-extreme crimes (petty ones are punished with 15 years in prison and a daily tail-whipping by the Saurian guards, while more extreme crimes get you executed). The two most common forms of being employed as slaves are working in factories producing weapons of war and working in the mines harvesting resources.


Yeah, your nation scares me.


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Postby Solar Communes » Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:28 pm

There are way more human civilizations in the list of those who don't pratice so far.

Also, Saurisia is a meek footnote in the evolutionary history of the universe when compared to The Skiss.
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Postby Ramsetia » Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:24 am

The Ramset Refugee fleet does not have the resources to maintain a slave population, and would not attempt to introduce slavery, even if we were capable.
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Postby Joyous Zeltros » Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:32 am

Never. Zeltrons can't stand cruelty to others.

Furthermore, any slave who arrives here and claims refuge is free from that point on.
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Kamchakan
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Postby Kamchakan » Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:13 am

It is not illegal (and even if it was there would be no way to enforce it) but as far as anyone is aware it does not happen.
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Postby The Ancient Molemen » Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:21 pm

Moles are forbidden to take other moles or naturally subterranean creatures as slaves by order of the Mole Emperor. The members of the Digger Caste, though often thought of as slaves, actually stand as equals (though more admired, as they are the best diggers) with the other castes. However, moles may enslave some surface dwellers under special circumstances, especially the two-legged hominids who were secretly bred for that purpose, and whose evolution and development the Empire oversaw ages ago (and continues to observe).

Slaves accompany the Digger Caste in mining and expansion operations, work in the Empire's great forges, serve as test subjects for the Empire's scholars, act as mind-controlled spies so that the Empire may gain information on what is happening in the surface, or anything else that the Empire's leaders can think of.
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Postby Wesibaden » Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:24 pm

Well this is a Nazi-type government so yes we do have slaves (aka the Poor doesn't matter about race)
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Postby Eldar Ulthwe » Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:27 pm

Eldar may not be enslaved. The very idea is repulsive to us. The servants we have are Eldar walking that Path by choice, usually to foster humility and a sense of duty in themselves.

And in order to enslave others we would have to let them into our territory, which we refuse to do. Non-Eldar, free or otherwise, are not permitted here, and the exceptions are very, very few.
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