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Postby Wikipedia and Universe » Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:34 am

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Wikipedia and Universe wrote:Yes, and the RIM-162 ESSM (a modern ship-launched SAM) can travel at Mach 4+.

And the S-400 is claimed to travel at MACH 12

WHAT... THE... FUCK...
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:36 am

Wikipedia and Universe wrote:
Licana wrote:And the S-400 is claimed to travel at MACH 12

WHAT... THE... FUCK...
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Postby New Korongo » Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:00 am

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Wikipedia and Universe wrote:WHAT... THE... FUCK...
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The Russians came prepared for NS-wank tech SR-71 replacements.

Isn't the S-400 a SAM
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Postby Old Beringia » Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:01 am

Beringian FP-7 "Arctic Fox"
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Length: 20 meters
Wingspan: 14 meters
Height: 5 meters
Propulsion: 2x (25,000 Each)
Total Net Thrust: 50,000 kgf
Empty Weight: 19,757 kg
Maximum Take-Off Weight: 49,393 kg
Minimum Fuel Weight: 12,348 kg
Maximum Fuel Weight: 17,288
Normal Payload: 8,000
Maximum Payload: 28,000
Normal Combat Weight: 45,045 kg
Thrust-to-Weight Ratio: 1.1
Combat Range:1,800 km
Ferry Range: 4,860
Operational Ceiling/Altitude: 60,000 ft
Maximum Altitude: 70,000 ft
Cruising Speed: Mach 1.5
Supercruising Speed: Mach 1.5
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5
Crew (List): 1 Pilot
Price: $160,000,000 NSD

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Postby Transnapastain » Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:09 am

Old Beringia wrote:Beringian FP-7 "Arctic Fox"
(Image)

Length: 20 meters
Wingspan: 14 meters
Height: 5 meters
Propulsion: 2x (25,000 Each)
Total Net Thrust: 50,000 kgf
Empty Weight: 19,757 kg
Maximum Take-Off Weight: 49,393 kg
Minimum Fuel Weight: 12,348 kg
Maximum Fuel Weight: 17,288
Normal Payload: 8,000
Maximum Payload: 28,000
Normal Combat Weight: 45,045 kg
Thrust-to-Weight Ratio: 1.1
Combat Range:1,800 km
Ferry Range: 4,860
Operational Ceiling/Altitude: 60,000 ft
Maximum Altitude: 70,000 ft
Cruising Speed: Mach 1.5
Supercruising Speed: Mach 1.5
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5
Crew (List): 1 Pilot
Price: $160,000,000 NSD

*prepares for first wave*


I'm no great help on the stats, though they look pretty down to earth to me, but I think that looks bad ass!
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Postby Jagalonia » Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:14 am

Transnapastain wrote:
Old Beringia wrote:Beringian FP-7 "Arctic Fox"
(Image)

Length: 20 meters
Wingspan: 14 meters
Height: 5 meters
Propulsion: 2x (25,000 Each)
Total Net Thrust: 50,000 kgf
Empty Weight: 19,757 kg
Maximum Take-Off Weight: 49,393 kg
Minimum Fuel Weight: 12,348 kg
Maximum Fuel Weight: 17,288
Normal Payload: 8,000
Maximum Payload: 28,000
Normal Combat Weight: 45,045 kg
Thrust-to-Weight Ratio: 1.1
Combat Range:1,800 km
Ferry Range: 4,860
Operational Ceiling/Altitude: 60,000 ft
Maximum Altitude: 70,000 ft
Cruising Speed: Mach 1.5
Supercruising Speed: Mach 1.5
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5
Crew (List): 1 Pilot
Price: $160,000,000 NSD

*prepares for first wave*


I'm no great help on the stats, though they look pretty down to earth to me, but I think that looks bad ass!


Looks too american....They will fall before they reach their target....Mechanical failures xD
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Postby Senestrum » Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:25 am

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Things in space do require maintenance, or replacement. Ask NASA how much it costs to fix that damned Hubble :P

Hubble is completely different from a recon sattelite. Recon sattelite don't need massive mirrors grinded to the tiniest fraction of an inch to work right.

The US operates multiple spy satellites on the scale of the Hubble.

Almost certainly have larger mirrors, too, and considering the hilarious nature of spy satellites I would be surprised if they weren't diffraction-limited.

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Licana wrote:And the S-400 is claimed to travel at MACH 12

WHAT... THE... FUCK...
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Russians took the maximum allowable missile performances from the ABM treaty as design goals.

lolz ensued
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Postby Jagalonia » Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:29 am

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Wikipedia and Universe wrote:WHAT... THE... FUCK...
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Russians took the maximum allowable missile performances from the ABM treaty as design goals.

lolz ensued


Something tell me I should sig this....
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Postby Licana » Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:54 am

Jagalonia wrote:
Senestrum wrote:
Russians took the maximum allowable missile performances from the ABM treaty as design goals.

lolz ensued


Something tell me I should sig this....

You should, I lol'd at it.

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Beringian FP-7 "Arctic Fox"
(Image)

Length: 20 meters
Wingspan: 14 meters
Height: 5 meters
Propulsion: 2x (25,000 Each)
Total Net Thrust: 50,000 kgf
Empty Weight: 19,757 kg
Maximum Take-Off Weight: 49,393 kg
Minimum Fuel Weight: 12,348 kg
Maximum Fuel Weight: 17,288
Normal Payload: 8,000
Maximum Payload: 28,000
Normal Combat Weight: 45,045 kg
Thrust-to-Weight Ratio: 1.1
Combat Range:1,800 km
Ferry Range: 4,860
Operational Ceiling/Altitude: 60,000 ft
Maximum Altitude: 70,000 ft
Cruising Speed: Mach 1.5
Supercruising Speed: Mach 1.5
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5
Crew (List): 1 Pilot
Price: $160,000,000 NSD

*prepares for first wave*

Generally, you tend to have different cruise and supercruise speed (since you specified both), as cruise is the most efficient speed you aircraft functions at, and supercruise is how fast it can go without using ABs. Other than that, I don't see anything particularly wrong with it. However, I do have a question, is it a 5th generation (stealth) aircraft? If not, then why does it cost so much, as in 100 million USD more than a Eurofighter Typhoon and 10 million USD more than a F-22? Also, it's nice to use an online unit converter to have both metric and British Imperial units displayed in your stat-block.
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Postby Wonderchicken » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:03 am

Inutoland wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Two bank, fourteen cylinder air-cooled radial...
http://h1.ripway.com/funeralxempire/SiP1_3view.png
or liquid-cooled, inverted V12...
http://h1.ripway.com/funeralxempire/SiP3_3view.png
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In the plan view, your aerial is penetrating up through the cockpit window. Both versions.

Personally, I kinda like the V12. With that long front end, it doesn't look so much like a Hellcat ripoff.

Sorry to jump two pages back in the conversation, but neither of the linked images above look anything like an F6F. Is there another Hellcat of which I am unaware?
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Postby Licana » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:04 am

Wonderchicken wrote:
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In the plan view, your aerial is penetrating up through the cockpit window. Both versions.

Personally, I kinda like the V12. With that long front end, it doesn't look so much like a Hellcat ripoff.

Sorry to jump two pages back in the conversation, but neither of the linked images above look anything like an F6F. Is there another Hellcat of which I am unaware?

...I wish I could see what the hell they are talking about...
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Rusynija wrote:So I see from Wiki. The nickname still exists; perhaps the T-84 accelerates quicker?

Its fast in reverse. Maybe France should start using it.

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Orussia wrote:>Watches as the sword bounces off the T-94's composite armor
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Senestrum wrote:How are KEPs cowardly? Surely the "real man" would in fact be the one firing giant rods of nuclear waste at speeds best described as "hilarious".

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Postby Wonderchicken » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:37 am

Licana wrote:
Wonderchicken wrote:Sorry to jump two pages back in the conversation, but neither of the linked images above look anything like an F6F. Is there another Hellcat of which I am unaware?

...I wish I could see what the hell they are talking about...

Ok, I saved the photos and resized them:
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The one I assumed was being compared to the F6F is this one:
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The Hellcat never had a bubble canopy (to my knowledge). The nose looks more like an FW-190, the tailplane has me thinking P-40, and the wings are all kinds of wrong for a Hellcat. The F6F's wings (and stabilizers, now that I think about it) were very square, and much larger in proportion to the rest of the aircraft.


In fact, give me a minute. I still have the model F6F I built as a kid. *grabs the camera*
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Postby Licana » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:40 am

I know what an F6F looks like. :p

Yeah, Yak-3 is pretty much spot on for this, visually. It looks like it has a Spitfire tail, but then again, I don't quite remember the Yak-3's tail.

Thank you, by the way.
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Rusynija wrote:So I see from Wiki. The nickname still exists; perhaps the T-84 accelerates quicker?

Its fast in reverse. Maybe France should start using it.

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Postby Wonderchicken » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:43 am

Licana wrote:I know what an F6F looks like. :p
Yeah, Yak-3 is pretty much spot on for this, visually. It looks like it has a Spitfire tail, but then again, I don't quite remember the Yak-3's tail.
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Yeah, but someone apparently does not. Also, I posted the wrong link for the "Hellcat." I've fixed it in my last post, but here it is in this post, too:
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Postby Licana » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:46 am

That looks more like an N1K or a P-47 to me.
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Rusynija wrote:So I see from Wiki. The nickname still exists; perhaps the T-84 accelerates quicker?

Its fast in reverse. Maybe France should start using it.

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Postby Wonderchicken » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:00 am

Licana wrote:That looks more like an N1K or a P-47 to me.

N1K, maybe. P-47, not remotely.
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Postby Licana » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:03 am

Eh, I suppose not, I haven't had a good look at the 47 in a while... It doesn't have any commonality with the F6F, though.
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Its fast in reverse. Maybe France should start using it.

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Postby Wonderchicken » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:04 am

Licana wrote:Eh, I suppose not, I haven't had a good look at the 47 in a while... It doesn't have any commonality with the F6F, though.

Neither the NS plane nor the P-47 shares wing shape with the F6F.
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Postby Rusikstan » Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:41 am

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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:45 am

Old Beringia wrote:Beringian FP-7 "Arctic Fox"
(Image)

Length: 20 meters
Wingspan: 14 meters
Height: 5 meters
Propulsion: 2x (25,000 Each)
Total Net Thrust: 50,000 kgf
Empty Weight: 19,757 kg
Maximum Take-Off Weight: 49,393 kg
Minimum Fuel Weight: 12,348 kg
Maximum Fuel Weight: 17,288
Normal Payload: 8,000
Maximum Payload: 28,000
Normal Combat Weight: 45,045 kg
Thrust-to-Weight Ratio: 1.1
Combat Range:1,800 km
Ferry Range: 4,860
Operational Ceiling/Altitude: 60,000 ft
Maximum Altitude: 70,000 ft
Cruising Speed: Mach 1.5
Supercruising Speed: Mach 1.5
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5
Crew (List): 1 Pilot
Price: $160,000,000 NSD

*prepares for first wave*



Is it meant to be stealthy in anyway? If so an F-4 is the worst possible starting point, other than perhaps some of the really boxy Sukhoi interceptors. Right angles are the opposite of stealth, as are clashing lines. While you haven't shown other angles, keep in mind an F-4 will need to get a lot fatter for engines with that amount of thrust, the intakes will need to be enlarged and and the engine bays may need enlarged as well.

Imagining I saw something more 5th generation, the stats work.
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Postby Amerikians » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:55 am

Only cowards hide behind stealth! Fight us like men! :P

Stop dissin' my plane, bro. ;~;
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:04 pm

I like the F-4 a lot, but facts are stubborn things. Sadly even the greats meet their end, otherwise we'd just be flying stealthy jet powered Spitfires and FW-190s.
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Postby Rusikstan » Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:13 pm

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Old Beringia wrote:Beringian FP-7 "Arctic Fox"
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Length: 20 meters
Wingspan: 14 meters
Height: 5 meters
Propulsion: 2x (25,000 Each)
Total Net Thrust: 50,000 kgf
Empty Weight: 19,757 kg
Maximum Take-Off Weight: 49,393 kg
Minimum Fuel Weight: 12,348 kg
Maximum Fuel Weight: 17,288
Normal Payload: 8,000
Maximum Payload: 28,000
Normal Combat Weight: 45,045 kg
Thrust-to-Weight Ratio: 1.1
Combat Range:1,800 km
Ferry Range: 4,860
Operational Ceiling/Altitude: 60,000 ft
Maximum Altitude: 70,000 ft
Cruising Speed: Mach 1.5
Supercruising Speed: Mach 1.5
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5
Crew (List): 1 Pilot
Price: $160,000,000 NSD

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Is it meant to be stealthy in anyway? If so an F-4 is the worst possible starting point, other than perhaps some of the really boxy Sukhoi interceptors. Right angles are the opposite of stealth, as are clashing lines. While you haven't shown other angles, keep in mind an F-4 will need to get a lot fatter for engines with that amount of thrust, the intakes will need to be enlarged and and the engine bays may need enlarged as well.

Imagining I saw something more 5th generation, the stats work.


Actually looking over the stats, cruise speed and super-cruise speed should not equal each other, cruise shouldn't be above mach 1. Keep everything in the same measurement system please. Use imperial or Metric don't switch or list both. Why is this plane 160 million? I'll get better performance out of my plane (more thrust, more distance, more stealth) for 15 million dollars less, which in the grand scheme of things is much cheaper.

I like the look and the plane, but I'm not sold.
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Postby Old Beringia » Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:25 pm

It wasn't supposed to be a stealth fighter, and the likeliness of an F4 was just to get started. I see where I need to go with it now.

Length: 20 meters
Wingspan: 14 meters
Height: 5 meters
Propulsion: 2x (25,000 kgf Each)
Total Net Thrust: 50,000 kgf
Empty Weight: 19,757 kg
Maximum Take-Off Weight: 49,393 kg
Minimum Fuel Weight: 12,348 kg
Maximum Fuel Weight: 17,288 km
Normal Payload: 8,000 km
Maximum Payload: 28,000 km
Normal Combat Weight: 45,045 kg
Thrust-to-Weight Ratio: 1.1
Combat Range:1,800 km
Ferry Range: 4,860 km
Operational Ceiling/Altitude: 16,800 km
Maximum Altitude: 21,300 km
Cruising Speed: Mach .75
Supercruising Speed: Mach 1.5
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5
Crew (List): 1 Pilot
Price: $80,000,000 NSD
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