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Zegran has no official stance on National Socialism. However, most Zegranians would ridicule Nazis, and in certain parts of Zegran, there could be violence.

We allow Nazis in the Chrisman Union, but everyone has come to the conclusion that it is a crappy ideology and those who are stupid enough to call themselves nazis or indeed nationalists are usually ignored.

although most of Jalanat is strongly against Nazism people are allowed to speak their minds and the government does not take any action against supporters of Nazism.

Banned. Along with Fascism, Communism, Socialism, and Democracy.

Tallik wrote:Banned. Along with Fascism, Communism, Socialism, and Democracy.

then what are you?

Our nation is a fascistic monarchy, of sorts. The citizens may choose any political ideology they wish, but when the ideology clashes with Christianity or Judaism, it's immediatly outlawed, and its followers executed, should they not wisen up fast enough.

So as an answer to your question... It depends if we're talking about the typical "Aryan race/kill all Jews" Nazis, or just the economic and social points.

The citizens of the Federal Republic of Zeppy are known opponents of national socialism.

A recent poll conducted by a private broadcasting company and poll company asking our 1000 of our citizens "What is your opinion on National Socialism?" 89% said "negative", 10% said "I do not know", 1% said "Positive."

The Zeppy National Socialist Party actually won 3 House of Representative and 1 Senatorial seats in the 1955 federal election from the Canton of Pieda. Currently, the Zeppy National Socialist Party have no Congressional seat and only won 1.2% on the total vote in the last federal election.

Also, our sacrosanct laws on freedom of speech, expression, conscience, association and assembly prevents any public organization,including the Federal and Cantonal Government, or any other organization/individual denying any citizen to express their beliefs, even National Socialist beliefs.

Hohe Reich wrote:

Tallik wrote:Banned. Along with Fascism, Communism, Socialism, and Democracy.

then what are you?

Liberal Monarchist.

Tallik wrote:

Hohe Reich wrote:

Tallik wrote:Banned. Along with Fascism, Communism, Socialism, and Democracy.

then what are you?

Liberal Monarchist.

That makes absolutley no sense

Hohe Reich wrote:

Tallik wrote:

Hohe Reich wrote:

Tallik wrote:Banned. Along with Fascism, Communism, Socialism, and Democracy.

then what are you?

Liberal Monarchist.

That makes absolutley no sense

Yes, yes it does.

Tallik wrote:

Hohe Reich wrote:

Tallik wrote:

Hohe Reich wrote:

Tallik wrote:Banned. Along with Fascism, Communism, Socialism, and Democracy.

then what are you?

Liberal Monarchist.

That makes absolutley no sense

Yes, yes it does.

liberals support fundamental ideas such as liberal democracy, written constitutions, free and fair elections, human rights, free markets, free trade, and secular society. (From Wikipedia)
monarchy is a form of government in which supreme power is absolutely or nominally lodged with an individual, who is the head of state, often for life or until abdication, and "is wholly set apart from all other members of the state. (From Wikipedia)

There is no nazi party in the Tomland Union as everyone thinks it is a stupid idea.

Hohe Reich wrote:liberals support fundamental ideas such as liberal democracy, written constitutions, free and fair elections, human rights, free markets, free trade, and secular society. (From Wikipedia)
monarchy is a form of government in which supreme power is absolutely or nominally lodged with an individual, who is the head of state, often for life or until abdication, and "is wholly set apart from all other members of the state. (From Wikipedia)

Benevolent monarch or Constitutional monarchy, he probably means.

National socialists are considered to have ridiculous ideas. I mean, c'mon, national socialism?

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United Russian State wrote:

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United Russian State wrote:Outlawed, and followers are boiled alive...in boiling oil.

Our diners would like to purchase the meat, I mean:
Nazis...pigs...bacon?
Also we can't kill the unarmed but nothing regulates eating the already dead...so we'd also like to buy fresh meat for deep fry. Our restraunts can say it's lean pork and we'll deny any involvement with you...and odds are a master race would taste good.

Sales for your diners have been approved. Frist one hundred..."bacons"...are free. We will porvide only the freshest units for you.

We aslo are now offering life size falt nazi cookies [bones, blood, and so on are taken out]. Baked at over 250c inside a huge stone oven, sokaed in melted butter and suger, we can promise it will be the best cookie you have.

I'm willing to pay 60 million USD for a yearly supply of your bacon and cookies.

Final order approved. You shall receive your first order in three days, after that expect shipments very 28th day of the mounths.

We believe that, if ruled by a wise leader that isnt racist and/or power hungry, is a acceptable goverment. However if they do not meet those standards it is corrupt and immoral.

Greater Americania wrote:Are you serious? You've clearly never read Mein Kampf, where Hitler as National Socialism's effective creator outlines his entire ideology very firmly as a ideology of primarily Scientific Racism (primarily), Authoritarianism, and Nationalism. The only reason National Socialism is named 'National Socialism' is because the German populace during the era of the Nazi Party's rise identified Socialism as a positive thing and Hitler wanted to appeal to the lower classes.

National Socialism is inherently anti-Communist as Hitler explains when he writes and talks about the Jews using Marxism to overturn society and turn the new society into something they can completely dominate. Apparently you do need to be educated. Ayn Rand doesn't know everything.

1) Stop being such an arse and try to have an intelligent conversation.
2) Yes, National Socialism, as practiced by the Nazis, was racially motivated to an extent. But the differences between Nazism and Communist, as Goebbels himself put it, are very slight.
3) "Apparantally you need to get educated."
-What a wonderfully elitist slur. You are so intelligent, and I am so feeble minded in comparison with your vast intellectual superiority. In short, you're right... well, because you're da' smurtur one of us.

I'm saying that's how Socialism justifies itself. It wants to overthrow Capitalism because according to Socialism, which is true in the purely laizzez-faire forms of Capitalism, Capitalism is harmful to the common people (particularly the lower classes).

Tell me one government in which capitalism failed.

Now tell me all the governments in which collectivism failed (just a few off the top of my head):
-Nazi Germany
-Soviet Union
-Communist China
-Every modern-day Western European nation
-The past hundred years of US history
-Canada
-British Empire (YES, collectivist indeed. The fact that corporations had power didn't make it a capitalist system; it made it corporatist).

True, laissez-faire capitalism is rarely practiced, but succeeds wherever it is. Take Estonia, for example. They've come closest to laissez-faire capitalism; closer than anyone one Earth. And their economy is booming.

But I digress, as this isn't General.

Many democratic forms of Socialism exist today in Europe. Try again.

You obviously aren't even reading what I said.

I said that it's true that socialist republics have existed, but they are inherently authoritarian.

Is that untrue? Well, Western European nations aren't 'democracies' as you asserted (though Switzerland is) as they operate with elected representatives. Also, the fact that a state is "democratic" doesn't necessarily make it free. Socialist Republics are authoritarian; heavy economic control is exerted (massive taxes, wealth redistribution, and business subsidization). This makes them economically authoritarian; not 'free' states.

One, Capitalism is not inherently Libertarian. Laizzez-faire Capitalism is inherently Libertarian, while the other variants of Capitalism such as the Keynesian variants which have had so much more success in modern times are much more compatible with ideologies that support economic regulation. And massive economic control has proven to be something that is Communist or Socialist in practice, but has little to do with Communism in theory.

Keynesian economics has not been successful in modern times. In fact, it led to the Depression of 1920 (not 1930), and even DEEPENED the Great Depression of the 1930's. The closer society goes to laissez-faire capitalism, the more successful it is. See: Estonia.

Capitalism in general is far more 'libertarian' than socialism- 'authoritarian'. The basic idea is that in a socialist system society operates as a collective effort, working for the collective, as opposed to true capitalism, where 'society' does not exist.

Also, socialism, in theory, is more authoritarian than Marxism. In a Marxist state, there is no government; "the People" own and possess everything collectively. Socialism is a transitive state between capitalism to Marxism where control is exerted in order to destroy the capitalist system and redistribute wealth.

You really need to study Socialist literature before taking Ayn Rand's word on what Socialism is. I don't need to make a response to this because I've already explained everything I would have written above.

Why do you always assert that I am not well read to make a point?

To say 'well, you really need to look at the facts' essentially means "I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about, but I'm smarter than you so I'm right".

Besides, whoever said I was taking Ayn Rand's word on what socialism is. "You obviously need to 'look at the facts' about objectivism and read up on what it entails"... because under objectivist philosophy one is not reliant on any other entity for decisions.

"Reality exists as an objective absolute and man's individual logic is his sole means of perceiving it."

Thus, objectivism is about the individual's ability to comprehend reality: I base my arguments off of facts, and from those facts I create a logical conclusion. I don't regurgitate something Ayn Rand said 50 years ago.

The ignorance of this post is astounding. See above.

Congratulations, by not even making a point to counter my post, you've insulted both your intelligence, and mine.

Keep on telling yourself that. We'll see where it gets you.

Stop with your snide comments, and ignore my nation if you have a problem with it in-character.

Nazism is the #1 "most hated ideology" in TurtleShroom, even more than mega-liberalism (which is legal, unlike Nazism).

Citizens are indoctrinated from day one that the Nazi beliefs are absolutely evil. Nazis are "evil". The difference between National Socialism and Socialism is heavilly stressed. TS is capitalist, but they don't condemn generic socialism/Marxism, only national socialism.

The Nazi issue is unique in that the Republic doesn't indoctrinate too much. In fact, the origins of life- religious AND secular -are not covered in school at all. The nation is mainly Christian because of the Christian parents raising their offspring, not because of the government or the state religion. Of course, the Republic is guilty of teaching the "evils of swearing" and the constitutional Prohibition, but not religion.



Anyway, Nazism is condemned not only by schools, government, and parents, but also in TS law.

Being a Nazi is banned. Staging Nazi protests are banned. Displaying a swastika gives a huge fine to whoever erected it. Nazi armbands are banned. Threatening a Jew is finable. Calling someone a "fuhrer" (my phone lacks a 'u' with two dots) is a nasty insult.

The biggest Nazi-based crime of all, though, is daring to form a national socialist political party. Ballot access is very easy in TurtleShroom, but Nazi parties are attacked. It is legal for the federal government to seize the land of a national socialist party founder (only the founder) in eminent domain, kicking the guy out, throwing his furniture onto the streets (moving van not included), and razing his nazi house. Taking a mega-Nazi's land IS considered a part of the "Greater Good" and is often applauded by the town. One of the Republic's best hospitals was built on the ten-acre estate of a wealthy Nazi.


Hitler-style mustaches are legal, but a permit must be carried, unless you want the Republic's police to tackle you and shave off your mustache.


The government encourages the populace to bombard Nazis with pies and tomatoes.

Still, even a Nazi gets the right to live. Purposely murdering a Nazi is no different from intentionally killing a Jew, an Atheist, a Christian, or anyone else. The punishment for murder is either life-in-prison (no parole) or capital punishment by lethal injection.


Nazis are the butt of jokes and the recievers of pies everywhere.

France does not generally like National Socialists very much.

A new law passed by our parliament declares that because National Socialism is considered a hate group, they are not entitled to free speech or even citizenship! Effective immediately, those individuals identified with Nazism will be arrested and expelled from the DRNW - No Exceptions! This law also pertains to the Klu Klux Klan.

We have a lot of things in common with National Socialists, like our extreme planetarism, our belief that lifeforms that aren't Decepticons are either betas or defective, and that we should rule the entire universe (we don't sugar-coat it with phrases like "living space").

However, when we allowed some full-on Nazis to exist here, the idiots started wanting to deactivate Decepticons who simply came off the "wrong" assembly line, or had code Nazis didn't write, wore paint from the "wrong" factory, and other such nonsense!

Therefore, Megatron had to issue a ruling that trying to split up Decepticon society in such a manner is unstrategic as hell Against the Decepticon Way and therefore would be considered treasonous. Followers of full-scale Nazism quickly went extinct, as they found themselves at the Foundry instead of those they intended to send there.

We recognize that Megatron's government is fascist in many respects. We will not, however, countenance the suggestion that we should start deleting our own citizens over trivial matters.

Rejistania wrote:National socialists are considered to have ridiculous ideas. I mean, c'mon, national socialism?

Ya, I never got what the "socialism" thing is about.