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Postby Allanea » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:59 am

Gallia- wrote:The implication of the post was the dumb part.


Nobody seriously implied that you can win a COIN simply by deploying strategic aviation.
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Postby Allanea » Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:06 am

Anyway, I'm still working on Glorious People's Democratic Sustainment Informative. It's probably going to be the most enormous detailed informative anyone has ever written.
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Postby Tekeristan » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:03 am

Allanea wrote:Anyway, I'm still working on Glorious People's Democratic Sustainment Informative. It's probably going to be the most enormous detailed informative anyone has ever written.

I can't wait!

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Postby Allanea » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:21 am

Currently: 29,100 words.

What is left is the final chapter, the conclusion, and the bibliography.
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:14 pm

Allanea wrote:Currently: 29,100 words.

What is left is the final chapter, the conclusion, and the bibliography.

bibliographies are most difficult if done post-facto.
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Postby Allanea » Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:27 am

You're probably right.

But it's now done.

31,573 words. Hurrah.
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:41 am

Semi-Guided Man Portable Missile

The semi-guided missile is a low budget missile, meant to improve infantry fightability at minimal cost increases.

Armed with either a HE or an anti-bunker tandem implosion warhead, it is internally guided, improving accuracy using cheap inertial and altitude guidance, partially (not fully) compensating for gravity and crosswind. It's range is improved by using a weaker rocket motor.

It can operate in a direct fire mode, or a mortar-like lobbing mode. The operator can also specify a distance at which it would "dive", greatly improving success against defilade troops. Can use a contact or proximity fuse.

It can be fired from field howitzers, or from manportable launchers.

The range is 2,500 meters against area targets, 900 meters against line of sight targets, and 100 meters against mobile targets. It can reach 190 meters per second.



beyond-armor effect sounds like thermobarics
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Postby Laxaria and Sakria » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:42 am

.260 Remington MMGs Y/N?
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:55 am

Laxaria and Sakria wrote:.260 Remington MMGs Y/N?

it is a good caliber

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Postby Laxaria and Sakria » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:10 am

Rich and Corporations wrote:
Laxaria and Sakria wrote:.260 Remington MMGs Y/N?

it is a good caliber

Apparently my northerners the Laxarians had something like that, but something closer to 6.5 Swede (that cartridge in a not-G3?). The Sakrians had a not-7.92x57mm (again, that in a not-AR10?)

The father of the rifles that the United Commonwealth has today decided to modify the not-6.5 Swede into the not-.260 Remington. Since then it has become the new full caliber rifle cartridge of the UC military, and there are even plans to make it into some kind of over-powered cartridge. Forego the 5.5 polymer cased telescoped, and make way for this overpowered 6.5 PCTA.

125gr at 905.256m/s (2970fps in non-retard non-Imperial units).

Man, the 1972-1984 Unification War was a war fought with battle rifles and human waves with the unifiers fighting that with mechanized units and assault rifles.
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Postby Purpelia » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:06 am

3.63g at 1065.58 m/s is where it's at.
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Postby Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:14 pm

Do fighter bombers flown by first world militaries nowadays still use iron bombs, or have JDAMs and generic knockoffs taken over?
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:29 pm

Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 wrote:Do fighter bombers flown by first world militaries nowadays still use iron bombs, or have JDAMs and generic knockoffs taken over?


Iron bombs are still widely used. In a high-intensity conflict they'd probably be even more widely used simply because there would not be nearly enough JDAM kits to go around.
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Postby The Kievan People » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:42 pm

Rich and Corporations wrote:Semi-Guided Man Portable Missile

The semi-guided missile is a low budget missile, meant to improve infantry fightability at minimal cost increases.

Armed with either a HE or an anti-bunker tandem implosion warhead, it is internally guided, improving accuracy using cheap inertial and altitude guidance, partially (not fully) compensating for gravity and crosswind. It's range is improved by using a weaker rocket motor.

It can operate in a direct fire mode, or a mortar-like lobbing mode. The operator can also specify a distance at which it would "dive", greatly improving success against defilade troops. Can use a contact or proximity fuse.

It can be fired from field howitzers, or from manportable launchers.

The range is 2,500 meters against area targets, 900 meters against line of sight targets, and 100 meters against mobile targets. It can reach 190 meters per second.


A multipurpose missile isn't a bad idea at all but there is not much reason not to use SACLOS or beamrider guidance unless very long range is desired. The low flight altitude of a CLOS ATGM is ideal for airbursting anyways.
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Postby Husseinarti » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:18 pm

you just base all your missiles on blowpipes
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Postby Theodosiya » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:13 pm

Stinger or Starstreak? And what's the western equivalent of Pantsir and Tunguska missiles?
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:27 pm

Theodosiya wrote:Stinger or Starstreak?


For what purpose? Starstreak is larger and heavier than Stinger and is SACLOS, which means it isn't F&F like Stinger, which is also probably cheaper.

And what's the western equivalent of Pantsir and Tunguska missiles?


Something like Crotale or SPYDER.
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Postby Allanea » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:51 pm

The Akasha Colony wrote:
Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 wrote:Do fighter bombers flown by first world militaries nowadays still use iron bombs, or have JDAMs and generic knockoffs taken over?


Iron bombs are still widely used. In a high-intensity conflict they'd probably be even more widely used simply because there would not be nearly enough JDAM kits to go around.


It's worth noting that the accuracy of iron bomb drops has also increased vastly in the last decade.
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Postby The Greater Aryan Race » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:59 pm

The Akasha Colony wrote:
And what's the western equivalent of Pantsir and Tunguska missiles?


Something like Crotale or SPYDER.

And MEADS I suppose.
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Postby The Kievan People » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:19 pm

Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 wrote:Do fighter bombers flown by first world militaries nowadays still use iron bombs, or have JDAMs and generic knockoffs taken over?


They are somewhat depreciated because really accurate delivery requires low level flight, and modern ROE requires really accurate delivery. Prior to desert storm NATO went all-in with submunitions, then all-in with PGMs post Desert Storm, so conventional bombs were somewhat neglected in the west. South Africa is the only country that has tried to make substantial improvements on the Mk 80 series with their pre-formed fragmention bombs.

There is nothing particularly wrong with them though. The Russian air force has sort of brought them back in Syria because they don't really care and most of their aircraft cannot carry targeting pods.
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Postby The Kievan People » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:20 pm

The Greater Aryan Race wrote:
The Akasha Colony wrote:
Something like Crotale or SPYDER.

And MEADS I suppose.


lol no

The MEADS is in the same class as the S300 and S400.
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Postby The Greater Aryan Race » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:25 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
The Greater Aryan Race wrote:And MEADS I suppose.


lol no

The MEADS is in the same class as the S300 and S400.

My mistake, I was thinking in broad terms of "medium-range" SAMs, which I assumed Tunguska and Pantsir were a part of.
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Postby The Kievan People » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:38 pm

Oh, well, the Pantsyr has better coverage than the Crotale or Rapier, but its nowhere near the level of the big SAMs.

The range of the PAC-3 it is probably around 120km for air breathing targets. Longer with the MSE missile. In an ancient military parade article it was described as the closest foreign analog of the S-300V.
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Postby Theodosiya » Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:05 am

So, a Vehicle system with 2x35/40mm auto cannon or 2 GAU/8 Avenger and Crotale/SPYDER missiles.
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