Infantry Discussion Thread 9: Parabellum [NO KAIJU]

[Eisarn-Ara]

Alright, neat to know. Hey, just for you, I snagged from photos from Sturgeonshouse about the FSB. Bullpup AKs? You betcha, That 12.7 MG/rifle fuckthing everyone thought was dead like Lenin? Yup.

Oh I'm on there.
I've been on there for a looooooooooooong time.

Yeah, but Puz, the bullpup AK, the 12.7 MG/rifle/thing. That's worth at least ten Internet Slav points.

[Imperializt Russia]

There seems to be a solid Russian userbase there.
So who's Sturgeon?

[Eisarn-Ara]

There seems to be a solid Russian userbase there.
So who's Sturgeon?

I thought he was a TFB'er honestly. I don't know though.

[United Latin Lesbians]

What is this Sturgeonshouse place?

It has a nuclear forum and seems moderately Soviet-friendly.

It shits on the M113fapper regularly, and it's like if that "space battles" forum weren't run by autists, just militaria collectors researchers. The TFB writer's staff is on there, same for Othais from C&rsenal (albeit briefly), shit the InrangeTV & Forgottenweapons crowd are on there off/on.

Edit:

Welcome to Syria Fuccbois.

Here we see a grizzled Drake preparing to take shots at Meek Mill.

[Rhodesialund]

The TL;DR of how the SKS came to be is basically:

-USSR desired self loading infantry rifle as a result of its several decades of wanting one but never getting a proper one
-Enter Tokarevs design
-While good enough the SVT design leaves much to be desired: Federov had the right ideas
-Rimmed ammo is hard to make high-capacity, reliable magazines from
-prototype ammunitions
-Siminov, go!
-Oh fug nabzis DDD
-build more tanks, shift production focus to already existing arms and simplification
-lower funds to projects means less developed
-Okay Nazis are on the run on both fronts, hueg tank army now, war will be over soon
-Back to making rifles
-Hey you know what would be cool? A cohesive intermediate cartridge
-Here Siminov make rifle in this
-okay thanks we'll use this
-Nvm Kalashnikovs design is cooler.

[Rhodesialund]

too bad m16 is better than fal

You shut your heretical cock holster.



*goes off to gently rub guns*

[Spreewerke]

I'm not sure the Russian stocks of Mosins have made it onto the market. The ones that were imported are all Belarusian or Ukrainian stockpiles.

This is news to me.

That's how military procurement is made.

Look up the Gewehr 41's requirement process and submitted designs. Then look at which one was adopted.

Spoiler Alert: There were three requirements set forth by the German military, and the rifle that was adopted only met one of them.

[Eisarn-Ara]

Spoiler Alert: There were three requirements set forth by the German military, and the rifle that was adopted only met one of them.

If a book were to be written about this, it would be called "How to 3rd Reich correctly & why two front wars are suicidal".

[Gallia-]

Spoiler Alert: There were three requirements set forth by the German military, and the rifle that was adopted only met one of them.

If a book were to be written about this, it would be called "How to 3rd Reich correctly & why two front wars are suicidal".

Yes.

It only took 50 years for the United States to lose its two front war. Ironically, this occurred immediately after the capitulation of its opponent!

[Rhodesialund]

Spoiler Alert: There were three requirements set forth by the German military, and the rifle that was adopted only met one of them.

If a book were to be written about this, it would be called "How to 3rd Reich correctly & why two front wars are suicidal".

Didn't Albert Speer do a book on what could have been done differently?

[Eisarn-Ara]

If a book were to be written about this, it would be called "How to 3rd Reich correctly & why two front wars are suicidal".

Yes.

It only took 50 years for the United States to lose its two front war. Ironically, this occurred immediately after the capitulation of its opponent!

Ohohohohohoho, America Won the Cold War, didn't you know?

The Dank Capitalism was too much.

[Gallia-]

Yes.

It only took 50 years for the United States to lose its two front war. Ironically, this occurred immediately after the capitulation of its opponent!

Ohohohohohoho, America Won the Cold War, didn't you know?

The Dank Capitalism was too much.

If by winning you mean "the other guy randomly imploded with no warning".

Capitalism is killing America as we speak. Perhaps it will survive as a country, but it will be degenerated like the Qing, if it doesn't survive its current crisis of confidence/identity.

[Allanea]

WTF does 'killing America' mean in this context? America is doing exceptionally well in any measure that matters.

[The Kievan People]

WTF does 'killing America' mean in this context? America is doing exceptionally well in any measure that matters.

There are some issues. The US economy has deteriorated noticeably since the 2008 crisis and there is no sign of a recovery. It's post 2008 performance has been the worst since the great depression, so I am not sure how you call this "doing exceptionally well", and some of the trends are particularly worrying. Labour productivity is actually going down and labour force participation never recovered to pre-crisis levels after 2008. Less workers who are less productive is not a sign of economic health.

America is doing well in comparison to say, the Eurozone. But that is a very low bar these days.

[Allanea]

Yes, in the very short term there are some economic issues. But in any meaningful historical term scale America is incredibly wealthy.

And decreasing labor force participation is a historical trend over generations. It's not wholly bad.

[Ragnarum]

Does anybody know how reliable the belt feed adaptor's for RPK's are?

[Allanea]

PK-21 - an RPK with belt-feed - has not passed testing due to issues they had with the accompanying equipment (not the RPK itself, however), I don't think an RPK belt-feed attachment has been made in mass-production for any RPK in the Russian military. Puzikas might correct me.

[Husseinarti]

The TL;DR of how the SKS came to be is basically:

-USSR desired self loading infantry rifle as a result of its several decades of wanting one but never getting a proper one
-Enter Tokarevs design
-While good enough the SVT design leaves much to be desired: Federov had the right ideas
-Rimmed ammo is hard to make high-capacity, reliable magazines from
-prototype ammunitions
-Siminov, go!
-Oh fug nabzis :DDDD
-build more tanks, shift production focus to already existing arms and simplification
-lower funds to projects means less developed
-Okay Nazis are on the run on both fronts, hueg tank army now, war will be over soon
-Back to making rifles
-Hey you know what would be cool? A cohesive intermediate cartridge
-Here Siminov make rifle in this
-okay thanks we'll use this
-Nvm Kalashnikovs design is cooler.

oh fug jewmoney :DDDDDD

[Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502]

WTF does 'killing America' mean in this context? America is doing exceptionally well in any measure that matters.

There are some issues. The US economy has deteriorated noticeably since the 2008 crisis and there is no sign of a recovery. It's post 2008 performance has been the worst since the great depression, so I am not sure how you call this "doing exceptionally well", and some of the trends are particularly worrying. Labour productivity is actually going down and labour force participation never recovered to pre-crisis levels after 2008. Less workers who are less productive is not a sign of economic health.

America is doing well in comparison to say, the Eurozone. But that is a very low bar these days.

I blame Reagan. We were doing pretty well until him. Ever since, he's been the patron saint of every right-wing blowhard, landing the US squarely into Gilded Age, v2.0.

[Gallia-]

WTF does 'killing America' mean in this context? America is doing exceptionally well in any measure that matters.

"Exceptionally". Compared to what? Collapsing like the Eurozone? If "surviving" is "exceptional", then yes, the USA is exceptional. It's merely stagnant.

There are some issues. The US economy has deteriorated noticeably since the 2008 crisis and there is no sign of a recovery. It's post 2008 performance has been the worst since the great depression, so I am not sure how you call this "doing exceptionally well", and some of the trends are particularly worrying. Labour productivity is actually going down and labour force participation never recovered to pre-crisis levels after 2008. Less workers who are less productive is not a sign of economic health.

America is doing well in comparison to say, the Eurozone. But that is a very low bar these days.

I blame Reagan. We were doing pretty well until him. Ever since, he's been the patron saint of every right-wing blowhard, landing the US squarely into Gilded Age, v2.0.

US GDP grew each year during Reagan's terms. Even the 1980s recession didn't stop it.

Yes, in the very short term there are some economic issues. But in any meaningful historical term scale America is incredibly wealthy.

And decreasing labor force participation is a historical trend over generations. It's not wholly bad.

Except labor force participation was generally growing from ~1983-84 to about 2008.

[Puzikas]

Does anybody know how reliable the belt feed adaptor's for RPK's are?

If you mean the PK-21, it's reliability tests went well enough.

If you mean like a literal belt fed adaptation of the RPK, I'm not farmiliar with any that were ever considered by any military.
Probably not very good given the history such weapons have as far as reliability goes.

[Ardavia]

pew

please don't mind the shitty attempt at a wood texture

that aside, do the proportions of the entire thing look roughly right?

it's supposed to be a late-40s/50s-era semi-automatic rifle vaguely in the vein of the SKS/M14

[EsToVnIa]

aqi help

i did this all from memory and i'm 100% certain it's wrong

[Crookfur]

And so for something completely different lets post sexy pics of lovely pistols:

[Puzikas]

why do people keep posting the Wolverine ;_;