Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO FUN] Mark IX

[Krasny-Volny]

No light tank ever fielded the 77mm HV or the 17pdr. The lightest tank was likely the Cruiser VIII Challenger which was not significantly lighter than a T-62—he's firmly in the medium/main category.

South Africans decided it was a good idea to rip the turret off a Comet and slap it on an ex-brit armored car.

Ah, Alvis Saracen.

Of course, they were already fielding 4x4 armored Panhards with 90mm HV guns by that point.

Wiki says under the Saracen article: "Concept 3 New Generation Armoured Car: Mk 3 suspension and drive train with chassis redesigned by the South African Defence Force to accept a 77mm HV tank gun. Prototype only"

Along with this picture:

Given that it's essentially an elongated Saracen chassis, do you think it could still carry troops?

[Laritaia]

When Alvis actually set out to design a CVR(T) variant to carry a 90mm gun rather then squeezing it into a Scorpion it was longer and weighed closer to 15 tons.

When did this happen?

some time after the 82nd airborne retired the Sheridan.


they never made one due to the US army being completely uninterested in such a tiny vehicle from a place that wasn't 'murrica

[Imperializt Russia]

South Africans decided it was a good idea to rip the turret off a Comet and slap it on an ex-brit armored car.

Ah, Alvis Saracen.

Of course, they were already fielding 4x4 armored Panhards with 90mm HV guns by that point.

Wiki says under the Saracen article: "Concept 3 New Generation Armoured Car: Mk 3 suspension and drive train with chassis redesigned by the South African Defence Force to accept a 77mm HV tank gun. Prototype only"

Along with this picture:

Given that it's essentially an elongated Saracen chassis, do you think it could still carry troops?

Judging by how far back that turret is, probably not.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Given that it's essentially an elongated Saracen chassis, do you think it could still carry troops?

Inside or on top?

[The Kievan People]

Just how stupid are ETC guns anyway? I did some digging, and the wiki article was basically written by an NSer with a vested interest in making them look good.

Like many electrical technologies the hype far outpaced reality.

It was hoped ETC would save money, space and weight. In reality it turned out to save none of these things.

[Questers]

yes, mac basically wrote the wiki article on ETC guns (and the chonmaho) but he was being sincere.

[Imperializt Russia]

Did Mac have IRL research experience with the stuff, or was he just being a supersperg?

[Questers]

iirc he was a mega good sperg

i have a basic understanding of his real life but i wont go on about it here, but he didnt have professional ballistics experience in tanks

[Molotov Cluster]

well since you are american so i guess it literally cannot be helped

WTF? I am Russian and Czech.

[Theodosiya]

Why would someone bother to recreate BTR-50 with BMP-3 chassis?

[Gallan Systems]

because cuteness

[Theodosiya]

because cuteness

Cuteness? I've seen photographs of Indonesian Marines using BTR-50 dated from Operation Seroja in 1975. And during the emergency in Aceh. While there are RCWS developed for it, i doubt it could be armed with,say 30mm autocannon without sacrificing troop carrying.

[Botn]

I have an idea! Let's put a 9M14 Malyutka on a Carden-Loyd tankette!

[Gallia-]

because cuteness

Cuteness?

boxes are cute

[Botn]

Meanwhile In Finland

[Korva]

Why would someone bother to recreate BTR-50 with BMP-3 chassis?

btr-50 is pretty cool

[Imperializt Russia]

Why would someone bother to recreate BTR-50 with BMP-3 chassis?

btr-50 is pretty cool

I gave up on drawing a BMP-3 two years ago, and you make a modified BMP-3 in two days.

Curse you, Korva.

[The Soodean Imperium]

Who let the BTR-50 back out D:

Personally I'm getting more of a BTR-D vibe from it.

BTR-MD was the cutest though.

btr-50 is pretty cool
(Image)

I gave up on drawing a BMP-3 two years ago, and you make a modified BMP-3 in two days.

Curse you, Korva.

It's just a regular BTR-50.....

[Republic of Wijaya]

Look Panser Anoa that use by UN for supporting mission in a nation

[Krasny-Volny]

Look Panser Anoa that use by UN for supporting mission in a nation

You mean the Indonesian VAB clone by Pindad?

[Imperializt Russia]

I gave up on drawing a BMP-3 two years ago, and you make a modified BMP-3 in two days.

Curse you, Korva.

It's just a regular BTR-50.....

Oh.

Still though.

[Botn]

Any of you who do line-arts after requests?

[Rich and Corporations]

Just how stupid are ETC guns anyway? I did some digging, and the wiki article was basically written by an NSer with a vested interest in making them look good.

They aren't "stupid" except in hindsight. The wiki article was written in the oughties back when "everyone" [i.e. laymen] thought ETC would be the next big gun revolution. In reality, it provided a fairly modest 7-9% increase in muzzle energy, when people expected it to be like 100% increase. Since everyone went with the ETC option, under the assumptions that it would provide near 140mm lethality and that it could be retrofitted into existing tanks, when it failed so did NATO's future tank guns. Should have just carried on with the 140mm tbh, but whatever that would require spending money or something.

It's a bit like bulk loaded liquid propellants and cased telescoping ammunition. Except CTA is still going somehow at AAI HQ in the form of LSAT 5.56mm.

it can provide 100% increase in propellant efficiency if you attach it to a cubic meter of capacitors and associated electrical equipment

[Taihei Tengoku]

because cuteness

Cuteness? I've seen photographs of Indonesian Marines using BTR-50 dated from Operation Seroja in 1975. And during the emergency in Aceh. While there are RCWS developed for it, i doubt it could be armed with,say 30mm autocannon without sacrificing troop carrying.

boxes are useful too

[Gallia-]

They aren't "stupid" except in hindsight. The wiki article was written in the oughties back when "everyone" [i.e. laymen] thought ETC would be the next big gun revolution. In reality, it provided a fairly modest 7-9% increase in muzzle energy, when people expected it to be like 100% increase. Since everyone went with the ETC option, under the assumptions that it would provide near 140mm lethality and that it could be retrofitted into existing tanks, when it failed so did NATO's future tank guns. Should have just carried on with the 140mm tbh, but whatever that would require spending money or something.

It's a bit like bulk loaded liquid propellants and cased telescoping ammunition. Except CTA is still going somehow at AAI HQ in the form of LSAT 5.56mm.

it can provide 100% increase in propellant efficiency if you attach it to a cubic meter of capacitors and associated electrical equipment

no