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Postby Theodosiya » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:45 am

Embargoes... The woes of many countries that heavily relies on foreign military equipment (mine included).
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:55 pm

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Postby New Antonalia » Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:59 pm

OK, so I'm planning on modernizing the T-62 for a new nation I'm making. I need some help with turret design as I want to keep with the soviet style but I'd like to remake the turret to fit an autoloader and take the crew down to three people. I'm using the hull made by Jeff High, and modifying it with what best can be described as West African Discount Tusk Armor and HEAT Shields.
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Postby EsToVnIa » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:02 pm

New Antonalia wrote:OK, so I'm planning on modernizing the T-62 for a new nation I'm making. I need some help with turret design as I want to keep with the soviet style but I'd like to remake the turret to fit an autoloader and take the crew down to three people. I'm using the hull made by Jeff High, and modifying it with what best can be described as West African Discount Tusk Armor and HEAT Shields.


modernised T-62 is a T-72

e: so i guess to answer the question, just stick a T-72 turret on it
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:36 pm

I had been planning to wait until page 460 to try to push for nominations but I guess we can just get started now.

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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:44 pm

New Antonalia wrote:OK, so I'm planning on modernizing the T-62 for a new nation I'm making. I need some help with turret design as I want to keep with the soviet style but I'd like to remake the turret to fit an autoloader and take the crew down to three people. I'm using the hull made by Jeff High, and modifying it with what best can be described as West African Discount Tusk Armor and HEAT Shields.


Here is problem comrade.
If can afford to "modernize" T-62 with autoloader, can afford to buy decent export T-72.
If can't afford to buy even poor quality export T-72 second hand, can't afford to "modernize" T-62 very much.

If must modernize T-62, abandon autoloader and just use Tiran 6.
If must rule-of-cool, then KMDB's AGM modification can apply to T-62. But second hand T-72 is cheaper for same result.
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Postby YugoslavUnion » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:47 pm

Mostly soviet tanks provided by a still existing hardline ussr after we sold out to the Warsaw Pact
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Postby Husseinarti » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:51 pm

New Antonalia wrote:OK, so I'm planning on modernizing the T-62 for a new nation I'm making. I need some help with turret design as I want to keep with the soviet style but I'd like to remake the turret to fit an autoloader and take the crew down to three people. I'm using the hull made by Jeff High, and modifying it with what best can be described as West African Discount Tusk Armor and HEAT Shields.


More or less a T-72 style turret with an automatic loader. New optics and fire control systems.

Also, a move to a 125mm main gun would be better, but 115 can be kept if ammo is still plenty. Or, you could simply keep the 115mm for like, gunnery training.

Lots of ERA.

Also,

The entire line of Ch'ŏnma-hos, the North Korean T-62 copies, have ideas for modernization.
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Postby Kassaran » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:38 pm

Going to begin trying to design my own tanks soon, going to start from the basics hopefully and slowly work my way up the train. Working off of inspiration from Early Japanese-Russian designs.
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Postby Lamoni » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:26 pm

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Postby Kassaran » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:34 pm

So in the MRT thread, I proposed putting in my 1938 medium tank design a 25mm AP field gun for typical long-range engagement things. I was given the option of making it a weird two-piece gun, where I load the charges and the rounds separately I believe? What's the feasibility of this and why would it be this way? Space constrictions in certain areas making it easier? Is this inherently safer depending on the placement? I dunno, just would like to hear more on this concept and where it was most earliest used in tanks. I know the British use that setup in the Challenger? Or was it the Conqueror? Something like that...
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:52 pm

2 piece ammunition allows you to break up a big, heavy, awkward object in the cramped combat compartment into two smaller, lighter, handier pieces. The Russians do this with their pre-Armata 125mm guns, and the British have done it since Chieftain. Its "safety" comes from isolating the propellant from the crew compartment, which the British do and the Russians infamously do not. A 25mm round could be loaded with the off hand and gains nothing from going two-piece.
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Postby Kassaran » Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:03 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:2 piece ammunition allows you to break up a big, heavy, awkward object in the cramped combat compartment into two smaller, lighter, handier pieces. The Russians do this with their pre-Armata 125mm guns, and the British have done it since Chieftain. Its "safety" comes from isolating the propellant from the crew compartment, which the British do and the Russians infamously do not. A 25mm round could be loaded with the off hand and gains nothing from going two-piece.

I'm using an exceedingly long barrel which requires the charge to be larger. That's what would inherently make it more bulky, so hence the two-piece, but I see your point here.
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Zarkenis Ultima wrote:Tristan noticed footsteps behind him and looked there, only to see Eric approaching and then pointing his sword at the girl. He just blinked a few times at this before speaking.

"Put that down, Mr. Eric." He said. "She's obviously not a chicken."
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Postby The Kievan People » Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:14 pm

A big 25mm is still a fairly tiny round.
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Postby Kassaran » Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:27 pm

The Kievan People wrote:A big 25mm is still a fairly tiny round.

My plan was for a Mk II variant to use an upped 37mm round, and when that eventually seems too small, a prototype using a 50mm is made, but turret ring fracturing forces the model to be scrapped and the overall series fails and a new design is built. This would be somewhere about 1950 that the tank would finally be retired from service.
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Zarkenis Ultima wrote:Tristan noticed footsteps behind him and looked there, only to see Eric approaching and then pointing his sword at the girl. He just blinked a few times at this before speaking.

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Postby The Kievan People » Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:40 pm

American 37mm ammunition weighed less than 4lbs. Bofors 40mm rounds typically weigh less than 5lbs. You don't need 2 piece ammunition for such small calibers. Even a complete 57mm round only weighs about 14lbs.
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Postby Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 » Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:00 pm

How are TOW missiles reloaded on the Bradley?
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Postby Husseinarti » Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:20 pm

Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 wrote:How are TOW missiles reloaded on the Bradley?


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Postby Gallia- » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:39 am

The Kievan People wrote:A big 25mm is still a fairly tiny round.


Even Kat Tsun, quite possibly a living stick figure IRL, can lift one!

Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 wrote:How are TOW missiles reloaded on the Bradley?


Go to 6:47 or so:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/653 ... ration.mp4

Before this is done, the TOW missile tubes have to be removed manually, so this is only about half the reloading sequence.
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Postby Allanea » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:42 am

Kassaran wrote:
The Kievan People wrote:A big 25mm is still a fairly tiny round.

My plan was for a Mk II variant to use an upped 37mm round, and when that eventually seems too small, a prototype using a 50mm is made, but turret ring fracturing forces the model to be scrapped and the overall series fails and a new design is built. This would be somewhere about 1950 that the tank would finally be retired from service.


Why is a tank armed with a 37mm still in service in 1950?
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Postby New Antonalia » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:48 am

Well, this is it. I decided to go with a turret influenced by the T-14 and a hell of a lot of slat and ERA armor, as well as some extra armor in the front. I also chose a 125 mm cannon and ditched the 115 mm.

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