Infantry Discussion Thread, Pattern 7: Sword Edition.

[Fordorsia]

I was thinking of having each Tent Group led by an NCO or whatever the equivilant would be. They may not have much command ability, but they would do well relaying orders and moving just 9 other men. I might have one Junior Centurion though, just in case shit goes tits up.

I think the term for centurion's assistant is "optio".

Pfft I knew that...

[Nachmere]

Well, for NS.

Very nice. I'll look into it.

Well if we are throwing hats into the ring there is my "alternative" solution:

http://z8.invisionfree.invalid.com/Crookfur_Arm ... wtopic=110


RL wise i'm not really up to speed on current pistol but the Wilson combat protector series look nice and i've always had a thing for HK pistols of which the VP-9 seems to be getting a lot of good reveiws. Of course out of the HKs only the USPs seem to have a tactical (threaded muzzle) version at the moment. Turns out i suck and the HK site hates me, a quick google shows lots of threaded VP9s.

Great, I post a pistol and suddenly you come and make me look bad This is 2009 all over again.

[Imperializt Russia]

Well, there's always the CP-2 "Derringer", the needlessly complex yet-somehow-standard-issue Samozniy service pistol which doesn't really exist.

[Crookfur]

Well if we are throwing hats into the ring there is my "alternative" solution:

http://z8.invisionfree.invalid.com/Crookfur_Arm ... wtopic=110


RL wise i'm not really up to speed on current pistol but the Wilson combat protector series look nice and i've always had a thing for HK pistols of which the VP-9 seems to be getting a lot of good reveiws. Of course out of the HKs only the USPs seem to have a tactical (threaded muzzle) version at the moment. Turns out i suck and the HK site hates me, a quick google shows lots of threaded VP9s.

Great, I post a pistol and suddenly you come and make me look bad This is 2009 all over again.

It hardly makes anyhting look bad, its just a bit curvier.

Now this might stnad a chance but its about as ill suited to OS's requirements as you can get:

[Fordorsia]

Full legion is finished I guess

(Excluding officers, assistants, standard bearers etc)
x6 Regular Infantry Cohorts - 3600 men
x2 Spear Infantry Cohorts - 1200 men
x1 Heavy Infantry Cohort - 600 men
x1 Double Cohort - 1200 men
x3 Archer Cohorts - 900 men
x2 Heavy Cavalry Cohorts 360 men
x2 Light Cavalry Cohorts - 360 men

Total - 8220

[Spreewerke]

M2 Carbines and MAC-11s, etc., are in the $5k-$6k range.

In fairness those are American weapons built in vast numbers pre-1986. The M2 especially.
I'll admit I don't exactly watch the market, but a lot of rifles, particularly import are nearer the 10-30 thousand range, aren't they? I've commonly seen AR-15s/parts, as well as G3s as 15-30.

Uzis are around the same price range, though.

Transferable AKs are generally $20k, M16 lowers are generally $15k, if I remember correctly.

Or just get the right class of FFL so you can buy the new ones.

You need a certain FFL and certain SOT and your NFA items have to be purchased only from other SOTs and you are never in ownership of the firearms, your business is. You can't store them at home in your safe: they have to remain on business grounds and in an adequately secure when not in use.

You possess it, but don't legally own it since it is considered business/agency property, not individual property. Law enforcement have the same restrictions as the items are agency property and not individual, and therefore can only be in the officers' possession while they are performing their duties.

[Sediczja]

For some reason, this discussion reminds me of the guy a few threads ago who tried to make like he owned a Glock 18 from when he was a Navy SEAL or something. Funny how he never came back.

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Anyone got any resources as to how a company or battalion would be allocated during a defense? Preferably showing trenches, firing positions and shit.

[The Great Nation of Dan]

For some reason, this discussion reminds me of the guy a few threads ago who tried to make like he owned a Glock 18 from when he was a Navy SEAL or something. Funny how he never came back.

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Anyone got any resources as to how a company or battalion would be allocated during a defense? Preferably showing trenches, firing positions and shit.

Depends on the terrain, weather, obstructions, and equipment available.

[Sediczja]

For some reason, this discussion reminds me of the guy a few threads ago who tried to make like he owned a Glock 18 from when he was a Navy SEAL or something. Funny how he never came back.

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Anyone got any resources as to how a company or battalion would be allocated during a defense? Preferably showing trenches, firing positions and shit.

Depends on the terrain, weather, obstructions, and equipment available.

I am aware of this.

However, I dimly recall seeing a baseline "textbook" example somewhere.

[Imperializt Russia]

For some reason, this discussion reminds me of the guy a few threads ago who tried to make like he owned a Glock 18 from when he was a Navy SEAL or something. Funny how he never came back.

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Anyone got any resources as to how a company or battalion would be allocated during a defense? Preferably showing trenches, firing positions and shit.

Yes.
Here is the Mechanised Platoon, at least:
http://z4.invisionfree.invalid.com/NSDraftroom/ ... topic=7136
Simply, the mechanised platoon might be extrapolated three times over a wide frontage (possibly spaced about the width of one platoon apart) to arrive at the company's frontline units, with rear are units of the company behind in its own trench network.
http://z4.invisionfree.invalid.com/NSDraftroom/ ... p=22016528
Posts 3 (linked) and 4 in that thread show the positioning of the mechanised company and battalion in the offensive, which will at least allow you to observe the sort of spacing and separation of command that would be practised and may be extrapolated to the defensive.
Post 5, in conjunction with the link below, describes the offensive manoeuvre of a Motor Rifle Regiment. The Motor Rifle Regiment features three battalions of mechanised infantry, and one battalion of 13 (typically 10-14, sometimes more) tanks.

http://z4.invisionfree.invalid.com/NSDraftroom/ ... opic=11899
This translated article on the tank battalion in battle is more of an abstraction, and the tank battalion is sort of a supporting arm (and also not infantry, oops) but it might help you understand how the regiment or division may fight.

[Imperializt Russia]

I recommend you TG Allanea, the person who made these translations, to see if he can give you a more precise guide. He was online not too long ago in the realism thread.

[Sediczja]

-snip-

Sweet. All I need is a basic outline; this should definitely be sufficient. Cheers.

[New Visegrad]

So, I need a good pistol either in 9mm or .45 ACP. My requirements are primarily are a rail system, a threaded barrel (preferable), and mostly ambidextrous features.

Any suggestions?

buy this gun

[Puzikas]

something something art

Idk. I draw because I get bored on my days off.

Yes.
Here is the Mechanised Platoon, at least:
http://z4.invisionfree.invalid.com/NSDraftroom/ ... topic=7136
Simply, the mechanised platoon might be extrapolated three times over a wide frontage (possibly spaced about the width of one platoon apart) to arrive at the company's frontline units, with rear are units of the company behind in its own trench network.
http://z4.invisionfree.invalid.com/NSDraftroom/ ... p=22016528
Posts 3 (linked) and 4 in that thread show the positioning of the mechanised company and battalion in the offensive, which will at least allow you to observe the sort of spacing and separation of command that would be practised and may be extrapolated to the defensive.
Post 5, in conjunction with the link below, describes the offensive manoeuvre of a Motor Rifle Regiment. The Motor Rifle Regiment features three battalions of mechanised infantry, and one battalion of 13 (typically 10-14, sometimes more) tanks.

Its been refined since then for offensive units a fair bit.

[Kouralia]

Looks pretty good in my eyes honestly, I would suggest because of the large size of your legions maybe making it so that rather than simply having one single officer per unit instead making it so that you have say have a couple of officers commanding a single unit, say 1 Senior-Officer in overall command with a couple of Junior-Officers who assist and aid him. Say for a century you have 3 Centurions 1 will be recognized as Senior while the other 2 are Juniors. That or you can have a stronger NCO force among the regular enlisted and give them some independence and power to assist the Commissioned Officers of the Legion. Just some suggestions.

I was thinking of having each Tent Group led by an NCO or whatever the equivilant would be. They may not have much command ability, but they would do well relaying orders and moving just 9 other men. I might have one Junior Centurion though, just in case shit goes tits up.

It's almost like the Romans had tent-group NCOs...

[Kouralia]

Well, there's always the CP-2 "Derringer", the needlessly complex yet-somehow-standard-issue Samozniy service pistol which doesn't really exist.

Like the Kouralian service pistol which is an... over-under, double-barreled (some of them... Not all.), select-fire, armour-piercing, metal-storm, bull-pup, wooden-handled revolver?

[Fordorsia]

I was thinking of having each Tent Group led by an NCO or whatever the equivilant would be. They may not have much command ability, but they would do well relaying orders and moving just 9 other men. I might have one Junior Centurion though, just in case shit goes tits up.

It's almost like the Romans had tent-group NCOs...

I knew they had tent groups (hence the name), I just didn't look into how they worked. Either way I'm super smart for doing it.

[Imperializt Russia]

Well, there's always the CP-2 "Derringer", the needlessly complex yet-somehow-standard-issue Samozniy service pistol which doesn't really exist.

Like the Kouralian service pistol which is an... over-under, double-barreled (some of them... Not all.), select-fire, armour-piercing, metal-storm, bull-pup, wooden-handled revolver?

It's just a Boberg copy in 9x19, .357 SiG and .40S&W

It's still not quite as inexplicable as the CP-1 handgun, which is a Mateba copy in .357 Mag and .454 Casull. This handgun was, at one time, issued to officers.

[Imperializt Russia]

something something art

Idk. I draw because I get bored on my days off.

Yes.
Here is the Mechanised Platoon, at least:
http://z4.invisionfree.invalid.com/NSDraftroom/ ... topic=7136
Simply, the mechanised platoon might be extrapolated three times over a wide frontage (possibly spaced about the width of one platoon apart) to arrive at the company's frontline units, with rear are units of the company behind in its own trench network.
http://z4.invisionfree.invalid.com/NSDraftroom/ ... p=22016528
Posts 3 (linked) and 4 in that thread show the positioning of the mechanised company and battalion in the offensive, which will at least allow you to observe the sort of spacing and separation of command that would be practised and may be extrapolated to the defensive.
Post 5, in conjunction with the link below, describes the offensive manoeuvre of a Motor Rifle Regiment. The Motor Rifle Regiment features three battalions of mechanised infantry, and one battalion of 13 (typically 10-14, sometimes more) tanks.

Its been refined since then for offensive units a fair bit.

Ooh, you intrigue me, how so?

[Kouralia]

It's almost like the Romans had tent-group NCOs...

I knew they had tent groups (hence the name), I just didn't look into how they worked. Either way I'm super smart for doing it.

Have you remembered to include the support troops like blacksmiths and carpenters (roughly 2-3 for every 8 men. Def. 2 per contubernium, not sure if they had another pool of them centrally attached)?

[Kouralia]

Like the Kouralian service pistol which is an... over-under, double-barreled (some of them... Not all.), select-fire, armour-piercing, metal-storm, bull-pup, wooden-handled revolver?

It's just a Boberg copy in 9x19, .357 SiG and .40S&W

It's still not quite as inexplicable as the CP-1 handgun, which is a Mateba copy in .357 Mag and .454 Casull. This handgun was, at one time, issued to officers.

I win in the needlessly complicated/RoC stakes.

[Fordorsia]

I knew they had tent groups (hence the name), I just didn't look into how they worked. Either way I'm super smart for doing it.

Have you remembered to include the support troops like blacksmiths and carpenters (roughly 2-3 for every 8 men. Def. 2 per contubernium, not sure if they had another pool of them centrally attached)?

Just sticking to combat troops for now until I know more about that shit. Besides, support personnel are boring.

[Kouralia]

Have you remembered to include the support troops like blacksmiths and carpenters (roughly 2-3 for every 8 men. Def. 2 per contubernium, not sure if they had another pool of them centrally attached)?

Just sticking to combat troops for now until I know more about that shit. Besides, support personnel are boring.

Might be boring, but without it you don't have a proper legion. The integration of support troops and the mobility of the legions were as, if not more important than their discipline and tactics for their martial supremacy.

[Fordorsia]

Just sticking to combat troops for now until I know more about that shit. Besides, support personnel are boring.

Might be boring, but without it you don't have a proper legion. The integration of support troops and the mobility of the legions were as, if not more important than their discipline and tactics for their martial supremacy.

Ugh, fiiiiiiiiiine

Point me to sources or whatever you big meanie

[Kouralia]

Might be boring, but without it you don't have a proper legion. The integration of support troops and the mobility of the legions were as, if not more important than their discipline and tactics for their martial supremacy.

Ugh, fiiiiiiiiiine

Point me to sources or whatever you big meanie

http://www.roman-empire.net/army/army.html

Might be some stuff here.