Infantry Discussion Thread 6: True Korea Edition

[Vancon]

Then they're not light infantry.

Well I'm not going to call them lighter infantry. I could just call them spear infantry though.

Light Infantry
Lighter Infantry
Lightest Infantry


Cz. 447 Prototype.

[Yukonastan]

M/56 FA-m2 and M/56 FA-m2P

http://imgur.com/a/whTMr

What do you think of it?

Did you see these?

[Vancon]

GUYS



P-12

Basically a 12 gauge P90.

WAT.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

GUYS

(Image)

P-12

Basically a 12 gauge P90.

WAT.

So late. Like, almost a decade late.

[Yukonastan]

GUYS

(Image)

P-12

Basically a 12 gauge P90.

WAT.

Except it's not new and it's not cool.

[Tulacia]

Well I'm not going to call them lighter infantry. I could just call them spear infantry though.

Light Infantry
Lighter Infantry
Lightest Infantry


Cz. 447 Prototype.

Sten barrel/upper body, Grease Gun stock, Dillinger M1911 lower body/grip...What in the actual *bleep*

[Fordorsia]

Updated spear infantry. I guess I should make the tower shield standard and replace the round shields of the other infantry types, otherwise they would make pretty a pretty shit testudo.

[Yukonastan]

Light Infantry
Lighter Infantry
Lightest Infantry


Cz. 447 Prototype.

Sten barrel/upper body, Grease Gun stock, Dillinger M1911 lower body/grip...What in the actual *bleep*

Czechnology, my friend. Czechnology.

[Tulacia]

Sten barrel/upper body, Grease Gun stock, Dillinger M1911 lower body/grip...What in the actual *bleep*

Czechnology, my friend. Czechnology.

Czechnology is best technology. Look at the 38(t), it was a light tank and was pretty much as effective as the early Panzer III medium tanks. Same armor, same gun, even faster speed, smaller profile...Why didn't the Germans just adopt all the Czech designs? T-25s instead of Panthers would be so much fun!

[Purpelia]

Czechnology, my friend. Czechnology.

Czechnology is best technology. Look at the 38(t), it was a light tank and was pretty much as effective as the early Panzer III medium tanks. Same armor, same gun, even faster speed, smaller profile...Why didn't the Germans just adopt all the Czech designs? T-25s instead of Panthers would be so much fun!

For the same reason they could not just churn out T-34 clones. The choice of what weapon you use is not just about performance but about what your industry can deliver. If a 38(t) is say 10% more effective than a Panzer III that only means that for each 10 38's you'd get the equivalent of 11 III's. Contrast this against the cost and production delays involved in retooling all your factories and you end up with a ration that is no longer favorable. No amount of the "new and improved" tank are going to equal out the number of old tanks you could have built whilst doing so. And that's before we even get to the big deal. German tanks were designed to take advantage of the machine parts, weapons, munitions and other things that Germany could build. It's the same with every other nation. Just switching over completely to a new design would mean retooling more than just your tank factories. So the costs go up massively.

Germany already had issues with the fact they used every rifle, field gun, tank, aircraft and anything else they could capture. The last thing they need is even more logistical nightmares.

[Crookfur]

Light Infantry
Lighter Infantry
Lightest Infantry


Cz. 447 Prototype.

Sten barrel/upper body, Grease Gun stock, Dillinger M1911 lower body/grip...What in the actual *bleep*

Except it's not really any of those things.

Tubular receivers were an SMG thing all the way back to the MP 18 and the lower/grip has far more CZ. 52 about it than anything else.
It's pretty clear where they were going with things when they were working on the first production smg to use a magazine through the pistol grip.

[EsToVnIa]

Light Infantry
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Cz. 447 Prototype.

Sten barrel/upper body, Grease Gun stock, Dillinger M1911 lower body/grip...What in the actual *bleep*

Huh

[Dostanuot Loj]

Sumer is just stuck in the Proper '80s, which is Leopard 1, Huey, FAL, rifle grenades, and M72.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD.

The 80's sounds about right, although I'd suggest skipping straight to casket magazines due to the reliability issues inherent to drums.

That would mean magazine pouches might be more flexible.
I considered it for an alternate FAMAS-rip instead of FAL-rip.

It's better an than anything pretty much any poster here has ever ' designed '.

In fairness, the Chauchat is far far better and more sucessfull to any NS designed firearm.
It actually existed and was deployed in combat.

[Anshaskia]

No. I've fired an AK Draco a couple times before and the furniture was way different. I thought about this, but I realized it wouldn't make sense. I live in Vietnam and the rifle was carried by a policeman. Some kind of black uniform, helmet-wearing, assault rifle-carrying policeman at that. I wouldn't see why he would have a Draco.

Edit: Speaking of which, if anyone knows who those guys are then please tell me. I see them around these parts every once in a while and they always carry assault rifles. I have never been able to find any information about them online.

AK Draco is probably available because of its civil market existence in the US. It's entirely possible it's an AKS-74u (which has a metal folding stock rather than no stock) or it could even be an AKMSU kit (AKM kitbashed into a weapon resembling an AKS-74u), that India sometimes produces.

Now that you mentioned it, it might of been the latter. It looked a little off, but I just chalked it up to lighting (it was nighttime).

Edit: I was reading about the Vietnamese K-50M on Modern Firearms. It's says, and I quote, "use of 71-round PPSh-41 drums is possible only if the telescoping butt is retracted." Why would the drum magazine only work if the butt is retracted?

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

If you look, the stock's wires block part of the magazine well when the stock is retracted.

[Anshaskia]

If you look, the stock's wires block part of the magazine well when the stock is retracted.

Ah. Sorry, that was my fault. For some reason I was taking "retracted" as the opposite of what it meant.

[Gallan Systems]

Sumer is just stuck in the Proper '80s, which is Leopard 1, Huey, FAL, rifle grenades, and M72.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD.

[Yukonastan]

GET OUT OF MY HEAD.

412/Griffon ~= Huey

[Gallan Systems]

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412/Griffon ~= Huey

Good thing it's a UH-1 Twin Huey then. Otherwise that might have been embarrassing!

Anyway the easiest way to tell it's a Huey is by looking at the twin rotors.

e: The other easy way is looking at all the C1A1s.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Ah. Sorry, that was my fault. For some reason I was taking "retracted" as the opposite of what it meant.

Huh. Apparently I did as well.

[Anshaskia]

Ah. Sorry, that was my fault. For some reason I was taking "retracted" as the opposite of what it meant.

Huh. Apparently I did as well.

Retracted means the stock is in, right?

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

It does indeed.

I managed to misread your post, thinking you were instead asking how the retracted stock could interfere with the loading of a drum.

[Anshaskia]

It does indeed.

I managed to misread your post, thinking you were instead asking how the retracted stock could interfere with the loading of a drum.

That was what I was asking, but I misunderstood the sentence that I quoted and thought that the stock—when extended—prevented a drum magazine from being loaded into the gun.

[Yukonastan]

412/Griffon ~= Huey

Good thing it's a UH-1 Twin Huey then. Otherwise that might have been embarrassing!

Anyway the easiest way to tell it's a Huey is by looking at the twin rotors.

e: The other easy way is looking at all the C1A1s.

My mistake, sorry. I'm only familiar with the Griffon, which looks almost exactly the same.

[Dostanuot Loj]

Good thing it's a UH-1 Twin Huey then. Otherwise that might have been embarrassing!

Anyway the easiest way to tell it's a Huey is by looking at the twin rotors.

e: The other easy way is looking at all the C1A1s.

My mistake, sorry. I'm only familiar with the Griffon, which looks almost exactly the same.

Plus two extra blades.
CH-146 replaced the CH-135 (Gallia's pic) in the 1990s.
I prefer the 146 though.