Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mark 8

[Korva]

I think it would be fair to assume he wants to know a typical load for a given nation and a given mission.

Exactly what Korva asks. Assuming an average patrol/deterrent mission in the German countryside during the close of the Cold War, what can I reasonably expect the loadout of the Leopard 2A6 in Bundeswehr service to be?

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[Yukonastan]

Exactly what Korva asks. Assuming an average patrol/deterrent mission in the German countryside during the close of the Cold War, what can I reasonably expect the loadout of the Leopard 2A6 in Bundeswehr service to be?

Here you go: http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.ph ... opic=14805

Thanks!

[Korva]

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Thanks!

No problem

Where is the optimal location on the turret for a CITV on a T-64? (commander side/central/gunner side)

[Orussia]

Or a better idea, have some sort of deflector plate behind the gun so that they drop into a receptacle below the breech?
Kind of like this except much bigger.
That way you don't have to break NBC just to keep giant hunks of brass from rolling around on the floor.

I don't mean to quell your thunder but tanks have had this feature of a brass catching bag for many decades.
Not everyone uses them of course, but they do exist.

I figured that such an obvious solution hadn't been overlooked.

[Thunbergia]

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=thunbergia/detail=factbook/id=357573

What am i missing for a realistic modern force?

It seems like i need more trucks.

[Yukonastan]

Does anyone have the case dimensions for DM33A1 120mm shells?

[Imperializt Russia]

I can give you a ballpark guess from memory - about 570mm case, with ~6" base diameter.
Overall length of that round will be well under one metre.

[Questers]

It did.

I assumed it'd be weird if it breached NBC to do so.
Though on recollection I think it does. Which is kind of weird.

All autoloader Soviet tanks do. There's a hatch and the stub is thrown out. I'm 100% sure that this is done on the T-80 too. It does breach NBC, which is kind of funny, but only momentarily.

[Imperializt Russia]

It did.

I assumed it'd be weird if it breached NBC to do so.
Though on recollection I think it does. Which is kind of weird.

All autoloader Soviet tanks do. There's a hatch and the stub is thrown out. I'm 100% sure that this is done on the T-80 too. It does breach NBC, which is kind of funny, but only momentarily.

Last time you explained the T-80 autoloader to me, you suggested that it might unload spent stubs into the cassette that it has unloaded the new shell from. And that this poses issues in unloading the gun should a need to change munition type occur.

It seems reasonable to assume this is partially borne out of wanting to not breach NBC, if correct.

[Radicchio]

what is NBC?

[Imperializt Russia]

Nuclear-biological-chemical.
All armoured vehicles of today (or certainly, the bulk of them), are protected against particulates of chemical or biological agents, and particles of nuclear material, from entering the vehicle.
This is normally achieved through maintaining an overpressure - the air pressure inside the vehicle is higher than atmospheric pressure so prevents external air from entering the cabin, IIRC. Air pumps may be used to maintain this overpressure.
Of course, opening hatches on the hull will compromise this overpressure.

[Questers]

All autoloader Soviet tanks do. There's a hatch and the stub is thrown out. I'm 100% sure that this is done on the T-80 too. It does breach NBC, which is kind of funny, but only momentarily.

Last time you explained the T-80 autoloader to me, you suggested that it might unload spent stubs into the cassette that it has unloaded the new shell from. And that this poses issues in unloading the gun should a need to change munition type occur.

It seems reasonable to assume this is partially borne out of wanting to not breach NBC, if correct.

Oh, that might be something that might happen. I'm not sure though.

[Ragnarum]

Right, I'm here again.

Autoloader or manual-loader?

[Questers]

manual

[San-Silvacian]

what is NBC?

NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) is the older, however more popular term to refer to CBRN (Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear).

When it comes to tanks, NBC/CBRN protection means that the tank, somehow, has a system built inside it to protect the crew and internal components from any kind of foreign, harmful substances like radiation, chemical attacks, biological agents, and nuclear threats.

Nuclear-biological-chemical.
All armoured vehicles of today (or certainly, the bulk of them), are protected against particulates of chemical or biological agents, and particles of nuclear material, from entering the vehicle.
This is normally achieved through maintaining an overpressure - the air pressure inside the vehicle is higher than atmospheric pressure so prevents external air from entering the cabin, IIRC. Air pumps may be used to maintain this overpressure.
Of course, opening hatches on the hull will compromise this overpressure.

Leclerc uses an overpressure system to dispell toxic fumes when they fire the main gun, which is which why it lacks a bore evac.

[Triplebaconation]

Autololder is the best for ABC really.

[Eldslandet]

Due to the increased weight of 140mm shells would it better to use a manual loader or an auto-loader?

[Imperializt Russia]

manual

what heresy is this

[Sediczja]

Would it be possible (read: affordable and workable) to have a low-quality separate commander's thermal imager on a tank produced in the very late 70s/early 80s? Guessing no, but eh.

[Imperializt Russia]

Would it be possible (read: affordable and workable) to have a low-quality separate commander's thermal imager on a tank produced in the very late 70s/early 80s? Guessing no, but eh.

Are you America?
In which case, yes.

If not, the answer is not necessarily no.

[Spirit of Hope]

Would it be possible (read: affordable and workable) to have a low-quality separate commander's thermal imager on a tank produced in the very late 70s/early 80s? Guessing no, but eh.

Are you America?
In which case, yes.

If not, the answer is not necessarily no.

In essence it depends on what you mean by affordable, and what your level of technology is in the 70s/80s.

[Sediczja]

Are you America?
In which case, yes.

If not, the answer is not necessarily no.

In essence it depends on what you mean by affordable, and what your level of technology is in the 70s/80s.

Affordable enough for general issue, that is. If not I guess I could just restrict it to certain units. My tech level in 1979 would probably be on par with Soviet/US stuff from the same period, so eh.

[Imperializt Russia]

Well, when I asked Velk why in Sapphire's proposed reboot major military powers did not have widespread use of thermal imagers and IRNV in 2002, apparently that was pretty common.
Not to mention, no RL ties and whatnot. Officially.

[The Akasha Colony]

Due to the increased weight of 140mm shells would it better to use a manual loader or an auto-loader?

Autoloader is basically your only choice for large single-piece 140 mm rounds.

Well, when I asked Velk why in Sapphire's proposed reboot major military powers did not have widespread use of thermal imagers and IRNV in 2002, apparently that was pretty common.
Not to mention, no RL ties and whatnot. Officially.

Cost was a big factor. CITV was considered for the M1A1 Abrams but dropped even though a hole for it was cut in the roof. CITV only came along with the M1A2.

[Dostanuot Loj]

Does anyone have the case dimensions for DM33A1 120mm shells?

Do you have the dimensions for any 120mm APFSDS that fits in the M256/Rh120/CN120-26/52?
If so, you have the case dimensions of the DM33A1, they're all exactly the same

I don't mean to quell your thunder but tanks have had this feature of a brass catching bag for many decades.
Not everyone uses them of course, but they do exist.

I figured that such an obvious solution hadn't been overlooked.

Here's one in a Centurion: