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The Great Nation of Dan
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Postby The Great Nation of Dan » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:19 pm

So I know that in actual combat mounted cavalry is pretty much terrible, but would the use of Ostrich, Horse, or Camel cavarly still be reasonable today in my nation? Some basic specifics/informations I would like to state:

-Real mounted riding isn't common but the use of a cart/chariot system is used to carry the rider (and another trooper or assistant rider) and whatever junk and equipment loaded in along with the rider.
-The more common assignment for the Cavarly is to support Mountaineering, Jungle, and Humanitarian assitance/police divisions to provide support in dense enviroments where larger wheeled/tracked vehicles are diffcult to manuverer.
-Moving Light Weapons, Heavy and Medium Machineguns, and Light Artillery equipment and Munitionary supplies.
-Supporting armored vehicules in cramped and crowded spaces that can trap the larger vehicles.
-We eat them if they die.
-Fast, silent, long range, and self-sustaining reconnasance and patrol divisions.
-They dismount for combat similar to dragoons.
-Oil shipping is roughly 3 times more expensive than normal due to stretched relations with nearly everyone.
-Automoblies are illegal unless during very few exceptions.
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The Great Nation of Dan
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Postby The Great Nation of Dan » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:27 pm

Korva wrote:Horses and pack animals aren't really fast or self sustaining.

Trucks are almost always cheaper and more effective.


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Postby The Akasha Colony » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:30 pm

The Great Nation of Dan wrote:So I know that in actual combat mounted cavalry is pretty much terrible, but would the use of Ostrich, Horse, or Camel cavarly still be reasonable today in my nation? Some basic specifics/informations I would like to state:

-Real mounted riding isn't common but the use of a cart/chariot system is used to carry the rider (and another trooper or assistant rider) and whatever junk and equipment loaded in along with the rider.
-The more common assignment for the Cavarly is to support Mountaineering, Jungle, and Humanitarian assitance/police divisions to provide support in dense enviroments where larger wheeled/tracked vehicles are diffcult to manuverer.
-Moving Light Weapons, Heavy and Medium Machineguns, and Light Artillery equipment and Munitionary supplies.
-Supporting armored vehicules in cramped and crowded spaces that can trap the larger vehicles.
-We eat them if they die.
-Fast, silent, long range, and self-sustaining reconnasance and patrol divisions.
-They dismount for combat similar to dragoons.


They aren't self-sustaining. They require more care and are more fickle than vehicles. The average horse in military service will eat ten times as much as the average soldier, and for hard riding for several days back to back, you will need multiple horses per rider. They can be useful in areas where the infrastructure to support vehicles doesn't exist, but if vehicles are available, in most cases they're more useful.
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Postby Doppio Giudici » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:31 pm

How do the Type-96 and T-72B compare?
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Postby Padnak » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:32 pm

The Great Nation of Dan wrote:
Korva wrote:Horses and pack animals aren't really fast or self sustaining.

Trucks are almost always cheaper and more effective.


We hate foreigners and oil and steel are fairly expensive.


Napalm > horses

burn the food

starve the horses
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Postby The Great Nation of Dan » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:52 pm

The Akasha Colony wrote:
The Great Nation of Dan wrote:So I know that in actual combat mounted cavalry is pretty much terrible, but would the use of Ostrich, Horse, or Camel cavarly still be reasonable today in my nation? Some basic specifics/informations I would like to state:

-Real mounted riding isn't common but the use of a cart/chariot system is used to carry the rider (and another trooper or assistant rider) and whatever junk and equipment loaded in along with the rider.
-The more common assignment for the Cavarly is to support Mountaineering, Jungle, and Humanitarian assitance/police divisions to provide support in dense enviroments where larger wheeled/tracked vehicles are diffcult to manuverer.
-Moving Light Weapons, Heavy and Medium Machineguns, and Light Artillery equipment and Munitionary supplies.
-Supporting armored vehicules in cramped and crowded spaces that can trap the larger vehicles.
-We eat them if they die.
-Fast, silent, long range, and self-sustaining reconnasance and patrol divisions.
-They dismount for combat similar to dragoons.


They aren't self-sustaining. They require more care and are more fickle than vehicles. The average horse in military service will eat ten times as much as the average soldier, and for hard riding for several days back to back, you will need multiple horses per rider. They can be useful in areas where the infrastructure to support vehicles doesn't exist, but if vehicles are available, in most cases they're more useful.


Lack of infrastruction you just pointed out is about 70% of our nation apart from the national railroad. Chariot/cart thingies the rider doesn't ride on a saddle they ride in a cart/chariot I'm just guessing this would cut the stress by at least 20%. Ignoring the fact I never said they wouldn't have more than 1 horse/camel/ostrich but I get where that might be assumed. Ostriches are trained to eat anything...including people...yes...people...
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Postby The Great Nation of Dan » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:57 pm

Padnak wrote:
The Great Nation of Dan wrote:
We hate foreigners and oil and steel are fairly expensive.


Napalm > horses

burn the food

starve the horses


Ha.
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:05 pm

The Great Nation of Dan wrote:
The Akasha Colony wrote:
They aren't self-sustaining. They require more care and are more fickle than vehicles. The average horse in military service will eat ten times as much as the average soldier, and for hard riding for several days back to back, you will need multiple horses per rider. They can be useful in areas where the infrastructure to support vehicles doesn't exist, but if vehicles are available, in most cases they're more useful.


Lack of infrastruction you just pointed out is about 70% of our nation apart from the national railroad. Chariot/cart thingies the rider doesn't ride on a saddle they ride in a cart/chariot I'm just guessing this would cut the stress by at least 20%. Ignoring the fact I never said they wouldn't have more than 1 horse/camel/ostrich but I get where that might be assumed. Ostriches are trained to eat anything...including people...yes...people...


It doesn't really solve anything. It does make it more uncomfortable for the riders though unless they have seats, but that adds even more weight on top of the cart itself. At that point, they're no longer cavalry, they're just a wagon train manned by soldiers. It doesn't make it any more comfortable for the horse, either.

And the trouble with having more than one horse per rider means you now need to include more personnel in your unit to care for the extra horses, and in turn also require more fodder for them. See where this spiral goes?

I'm not sure why the usual system without carts won't work for you. Cavalrymen rode their horses for a reason, and the chariot disappeared from warfare for other very good reasons. There's no reason to reinvent the wheel as it were.
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Postby Fordorsia » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:44 pm

Shazam

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Heavy Tank Destroyer M1944 "Ford-Ferdinand"

Protection: 20-200mm

Armament:

110mm AT Gun
Pintle-mounted M20 LCSW
Persicope M20 LCSW (Model A only)

Crew: 6 (Commander, Driver, Gunner, Radio Operator, Loader, Loader)


Developed as a new breakthrough tank in 1944, the "Ford-Ferdinand" was based heavily on the design of the Panzerjager Tiger (P) "Ferdinand/Elefant" after a vehicle was captured by Fordorsian troops in late 1943.

The HTD 44 featured a number of alterations to the original design, including a cupola with greater visibilty, a pintle-mounted machine gun for the Commander, a periscope machine gun for the Radio Operator, fully sloped frontal armour, interleaved road wheels with torsion bar suspension, and most notably, the replacement 110mm anti-tank gun for the 8.8cm PaK 43, and the removal of the notoriously unreliable and complex petrol-electric transmission. This transmission was reported to be why the captured vehicle was found abandoned. It had broken down and the crew presumably had neither the knowledge or tools to fix it.

In mid-1944, two designs for the new vehicle had been completed, an A model and a B model. The A model's casemate remained at the back of the vehicle, it's engine was located directly behind the Driver and Radio Operator and it's drive wheels at the front.
The B model had it's casemate located in the centre, leaving enough room for the engine to be located at the back of the vehicle along with the drive wheels. Due to the size of the gun mantlet, there was no room for the Radio Operator's periscope machine gun.

Both designs were accepted and a prototype for each was ordered. Both vehicles were completed and sent for testing soon after. Although both vehicles performed well, and were far superior to the Panzerjager Tiger (P) based on field tests of other captured vehicles, the need for heavily-armoured breakthrough tanks was replaced by more requests of lighter, faster vehicles sporting the same firepower. Production never started on the HTB 44 but both prototypes were put into service, though they saw little combat before the war ended. They were retired immediately after and were quickly aquired by the Fordorsian National Museum, where they now flank the main entrance of the Military Wing, still maintained and in running order.
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Postby Tule » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:54 pm

Three tank companies + one mech infantry company per tank battalion in my armored divisions. Y/N?
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Postby Gawdzendia » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:57 pm

Fordorsia wrote:-FordSnip™-


Delicious. The art is crisp, you solved the biggest issue with the Ferdi-fant, and you ditched them in a timeline appropriate manner.

9/10, would confuse the enemy with my massive bulk.
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Postby Immoren » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:49 am

Tule wrote:Three tank companies + one mech infantry company per tank battalion in my armored divisions. Y/N?


Every other battalion with that composition and every other with mirror image ratios. *nods*
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Postby Fordorsia » Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:17 am

Korva wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:-snip

breakthrough tank with a casemate gun

wat


Means it doesn't give a fuck about most of the incoming fire and can advance on it's own if it must. It's breakthrough, but not like a Cruiser tank.
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Postby Opplandia » Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:39 am

Fordorsia wrote:Means it doesn't give a fuck about most of the incoming fire and can advance on it's own if it must. It's breakthrough, but not like a Cruiser tank.


you made quite an interesting piece of artwork there. I would really like to see it in camo.
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Postby Fordorsia » Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:46 am

Opplandia wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:Means it doesn't give a fuck about most of the incoming fire and can advance on it's own if it must. It's breakthrough, but not like a Cruiser tank.


you made quite an interesting piece of artwork there. I would really like to see it in camo.


I'd try it, but it would likely just make it look worse.
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Postby Opplandia » Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:47 am

whatever you think looks best. its your decision after all.
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Postby Korva » Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:51 am

Fordorsia wrote:
Opplandia wrote:
you made quite an interesting piece of artwork there. I would really like to see it in camo.


I'd try it, but it would likely just make it look worse.

do it

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Postby Fordorsia » Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:23 am

I guess this looks pretty good. It's still inconsistent with the 1000+ other vehicles I've made though.
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Also only one of each was made so the camo wouldn't really make sense.
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Postby Opplandia » Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:34 am

Fordorsia wrote:I guess this looks pretty good. It's still inconsistent with the 1000+ other vehiles I've made though.
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Sorry if I dont agree with you bro, but that looks actually really good. If I were a soldier, I wouldnt like to encounter that thing.
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Postby Fordorsia » Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:43 am

Opplandia wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:I guess this looks pretty good. It's still inconsistent with the 1000+ other vehiles I've made though.
(Image)


Sorry if I dont agree with you bro, but that looks actually really good. If I were a soldier, I wouldnt like to encounter that thing.


Superior Ford camo means you will not know you encountered it
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:01 am

Tule wrote:Three tank companies + one mech infantry company per tank battalion in my armored divisions. Y/N?

Personally, I'd keep the battalions relatively homogeneous and have them form such force concentrations as an ad-hoc thing on the field of battle.

That way, a Regiment can send its tank battalion of four tank companies to bolster something, where its mech infantry company may be left behind or with nothing to do.
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Postby Radicchio » Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:22 am

mmmmm... the tastiness of the Volvo...

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Postby Yukonastan » Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:43 am

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Sorry, can't hear you over the sound of my Unimog-derived tactical vehicles.
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