The NS Infantry Discussion Thread, L5A1

[Tule]

I believe a pick axe or an ice axe would be the best zombie melee weapon. It reliably penetrates the skull without crushing it and spraying blood all over you.

A shotgun would be the best firearm in my humble opinion, with light buckshot and a Turkey choke.

That way you maximize the odds of hitting a zombie's midbrain.

But then again, I live in a country where virtually no one has an AR and everyone and their grandma has a shotgun.

[San-Silvacian]

*puts on supr srs, contrubing member of IDT cap on*

Motorized infantry platoon HQ section:
PL - ks. 551
NCOIC - ks. 551
RTO - ks. 551
Medic - ks. 551
Runner - ks. 551
Marksman - ks. 85 OR ks. 550S (If ks. 550S if issued, ks. 551 is not issued), ks. 553
Marksman - ks. 85 OR ks. 550S (If ks. 550S if issued, ks. 551 is not issued), ks. 553

Motorized infantry squad (x3):
Squad leader - ks. 550
1st team leader - ks. 550
Rifleman - ks. 550, VAP/4CS OR KTL/09
Senior rifleman - ks. 551, hi-powered optical device, VAP/4CS OR KTL/09
Grenadier - ks. 550, 40mm grenade launcher
Auto-rifleman - ks. 89
2nd team leader - ks. 550, 40mm grenade launcher
Ammo bearer - ks. 550
Assistant gunner - ks. 550
Gunner - ks. 51

Motorized weapons squad:
Squad leader - ks. 550, 40mm grenade launcher
1st rocket section leader - ks. 550
Assistant gunner - ks. 550
Gunner - BRP/73-3, ks. 551
2nd rocket section leader - ks. 550
Assistant gunner - ks. 550
Gunner - BRP/73-3, ks. 551
Mortar section leader - ks. 550
Assistant gunner - ks. 551
Gunner - M224, ks. 551

Notes/references:

ks. 550 - Regional version of the SG 550 chambered in 7.62x45mm Czech (Known as 7.62x45mm Baltic in this region)
ks. 550S - Its the SG 550S
ks. 551 - Same as above, however with folding stock
ks. 553 - Shortened carbine model
VAP/4CS - AT4CS
KTL/09 - MBT LAW
BRP/73-3 - Carl Gustav M3
ks. 85 - Tkiv 85
ks. 51 - Swiss MG 51
ks. 89 - FN Minimi

Some more sauce:

1st team is the main maneuver element. 2nd team is the suppressing element, the reason behind the 2nd team leader having a 40mm grenade launcher is for covering the MG team as they relocate, suppress enemy forces during reloading, or to point out targets

With all the GPMGs and LMGs at the squad level, the weapons squad has 2 CG M3s and a single 60mm mortar.

Motorized troops operate out of a Pandur II APC, which also has 2 crew armed with ks. 553 carbines. The vehicle itself has an RWS with a 12.7mm M2 machine gun and 70mm rockets along with smoke dischargers.

All the men in the platoon have undergone familiarization with all the weapon systems, no soldier can pick up any weapon or electronic system (Such as the RTOs radio) in this squad and not understand the bare-bone basics of operation.

Bonus:

Mechanized infantry squad:
Squad leader - ks. 551
1st team leader - ks. 551
Grenadier - ks. 551, 40mm grenade launcher
Senior rifleman - ks. 551, hi-powered optical device
2nd team leader - ks. 551
Rifleman - ks. 551, VAP/4CS OR KTL/09
Auto-rifleman - ks. 89

these boy-os work out of lal IFVs with TOW-2B, 50mm autocannons and armor that can resist mid to late cold war 125mm KEPs

Tule for Terrafirma care to send me an TG on what weapon systems and companies you would like?

Also Tule here is this: Baltic Union Equipment stuff

If you want to claim or co-produce or whatever this equipment send a TG.

[New Visegrad]

Personally I think high-calibre, explosive, or multi-projectile rounds would be more effective against zombies. Unless you're a pro marksman and can land a headshot every time, you want something that will actually remove parts of the zombie (preferably the head or legs). A missed small-calibre round will just make a hole and the zombie will carry on, but if you miss the head with a .50 or buckshot it's still going to take a chunk out of it. Zombies don't care about pain or organ failure, but they will slow down if you destroy their ability to walk.

[The Kievan People]

Something that airbursts would really be ideal.

[Fordorsia]

Something that airbursts would really be ideal.

But then you'd constantly need to change when the projectile would explode as they're shambling towards you.
Besides, is a few small peices of shrapnel really better than a bullet for hitting the brain? Not really. Bullets turn brains to mush.

[Sevvania]

Personally I think high-calibre, explosive, or multi-projectile rounds would be more effective against zombies. Unless you're a pro marksman and can land a headshot every time, you want something that will actually remove parts of the zombie (preferably the head or legs). A missed small-calibre round will just make a hole and the zombie will carry on, but if you miss the head with a .50 or buckshot it's still going to take a chunk out of it. Zombies don't care about pain or organ failure, but they will slow down if you destroy their ability to walk.

I don't think you'd need to be a pro marksman to land headshots on something that can't shoot back and doesn't actively attempt to avoid getting shot. If you take out the legs, you may have slowed it down, but then you have a crawler with its head at ground level to watch out for, in addition to however many more you're dealing with that have their heads at head level.

...I don't know if I phrased that very well, but basically, I think you're better off aiming for the head in most circumstances (especially if there are multiple) than shooting them in the legs and increasing the height disparity between the standing zombies and the crawling ones.

[The Kievan People]

Something that airbursts would really be ideal.

But then you'd constantly need to change when the projectile would explode as they're shambling towards you.
Besides, is a few small peices of shrapnel really better than a bullet for hitting the brain? Not really. Bullets turn brains to mush.

The fundamental appeal of airbursting fragments is that when the shell explodes above the target the fragments are travelling downwards - the optimal path for striking the head.

But even ignoring airburst there is an even simpler reason: The chance of a fragment from a sell burst striking the head is much higher than gunfire. It is sort of like firing a few hundred bullets in the general direction of the zombie - a waste for skilled shooters, but quite helpful for everyone else.

[Yukonastan]

Something that airbursts would really be ideal.

But then you'd constantly need to change when the projectile would explode as they're shambling towards you.
Besides, is a few small peices of shrapnel really better than a bullet for hitting the brain? Not really. Bullets turn brains to mush.

Yes, yes it is. You're getting more zombies with less propellant and munitions, allowing you to get more zombies overall.

The problem with constantly having to adjust the range is a non-issue, since airburst range is continuously sighted while you sight the launcher. And even then you can quickly dial the range back five metres if you have to.

[Spreewerke]

I still think an anti-manual shoulder-braced launching device for metallic-based projectiles would be best for the half-alive deads.

[Yukonastan]

I still think an anti-manual shoulder-braced launching device for metallic-based projectiles would be best for the half-alive deads.

dat buzzwords.

While I mostly agree with your suggestion, I however consider a preferable device for the purpose of defending oneself against the neither dead nor alive peoples to be a self-repeating tripod-or bipod emplaced or shoulder-braced launching device for metallic-based multipurpose projectiles, that obtains said metallic-based multipurpose projectiles and launch charge assembly through a linked chain, which disintegrates as the metallic-based multipurpose projectile and launch charge assembly are extracted in preparation for launching.

Buzzwording is so much fun.

[Spreewerke]

Latest iteration of AC-58 series. This is the carbine model because I don't want to resize images right now.

[Yukonastan]

So I think I've -finally- thought of a proper hand gun for Y'stan. Now two more using the same ammo and magazines.

M1911 Yukonastan Pattern, combines aspects of Tokarev TT33, Beretta 92FS/Walther P38, Colt M1911 and Inglis Hi-Power.

Overall design is an M1911A2 CG, but it uses the double-stack magazine from the IHP in a widened grip that accommodates it, firing a :not:7.62 Tokarev (7.2x24mm Northern) round, and holds fourteen rounds in a standard magazine (similar, strangely enough, to a P38/92FS.). It also has an open-top half slide and while it ejects, strips, and functions more like a 1911, it looks a lot like a P38.

[Spreewerke]

So I think I've -finally- thought of a proper hand gun for Y'stan. Now two more using the same ammo and magazines.

M1911 Yukonastan Pattern, combines aspects of Tokarev TT33, Beretta 92FS/Walther P38, Colt M1911 and Inglis Hi-Power.

Overall design is an M1911A2 CG, but it uses the double-stack magazine from the IHP in a widened grip that accommodates it, firing a :not:7.62 Tokarev (7.2x24mm Northern) round, and holds fourteen rounds in a standard magazine (similar, strangely enough, to a P38/92FS.). It also has an open-top half slide and while it ejects, strips, and functions more like a 1911, it looks a lot like a P38.

A 1911 won't work with an open-top slide. At least not a P.38/92-series-style one. P.38s also only hold eight plus one.

[Yukonastan]

So I think I've -finally- thought of a proper hand gun for Y'stan. Now two more using the same ammo and magazines.

M1911 Yukonastan Pattern, combines aspects of Tokarev TT33, Beretta 92FS/Walther P38, Colt M1911 and Inglis Hi-Power.

Overall design is an M1911A2 CG, but it uses the double-stack magazine from the IHP in a widened grip that accommodates it, firing a :not:7.62 Tokarev (7.2x24mm Northern) round, and holds fourteen rounds in a standard magazine (similar, strangely enough, to a P38/92FS.). It also has an open-top half slide and while it ejects, strips, and functions more like a 1911, it looks a lot like a P38.

A 1911 won't work with an open-top slide. At least not a P.38/92-series-style one. P.38s also only hold eight plus one.

I know about 8+1 for the standard P38, notice that I'd expand the grip a la IHP to take a doublestack magazine that's styled similar to the P38/92FS magazine.

Why wouldn't the 1911 work with a mostly open-topped slide? I'd still have the bridge where the barrel locks with the slide, I'd really just have a supermassive ejection port on it, as well as the barrel protruding ahead of the slide.

Unless that makes the mechanism unworkable, in which case it'd be more like an M1911-styled frame (expanded a la IHP for double-stack :not:92FS magazine) with a P38-styled slide and barrel, TT-33 styled ammo, and of course the 1911's safety features and controls layout.

[The balkens]

Latest iteration of AC-58 series. This is the carbine model because I don't want to resize images right now.

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Ooooooohhhhhhh my

[Spreewerke]

A 1911 won't work with an open-top slide. At least not a P.38/92-series-style one. P.38s also only hold eight plus one.

I know about 8+1 for the standard P38, notice that I'd expand the grip a la IHP to take a doublestack magazine that's styled similar to the P38/92FS magazine.

You can't stylize a magazine after the P.38 and 92FS considering their magazines are nothing alike whatsoever.

Why wouldn't the 1911 work with a mostly open-topped slide? I'd still have the bridge where the barrel locks with the slide, I'd really just have a supermassive ejection port on it, as well as the barrel protruding ahead of the slide.

There is basically no way to make an enlarged ejection port on a 1911-series because the locking lugs start immediately after it. That's why they simply chose to flare them (non-military models) near the rear.

Unless that makes the mechanism unworkable, in which case it'd be more like an M1911-styled frame (expanded a la IHP for double-stack :not:92FS magazine) with a P38-styled slide and barrel, TT-33 styled ammo, and of course the 1911's safety features and controls layout.

The P.38 slide and barrel is the same as the M9's, basically. You're not getting an open-slided 1911 without having an ejection port, slide bridge for barrel locking lugs, and then an open top. Basically: a compensated 1911 without the compensation cuts in the barrel. Here's a look at a 1911 slide with lightening cuts like what you're talking about: http://www.gansguns.com/images/frontscallop.jpg


The only thing I can think of when you say "P.38-styled [...] barrel[....]" is basically using a government barrel in a Commander slide, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense since you've effectively thirded your sight radius for no real length savings. If it was short-recoil, like the P.38/M9, it'd make more sense, but it isn't, so it doesn't.

Also not sure what "TT-33 styled ammo" is even supposed to mean. You could literally just say "chambered in 7.62x25mm" since that cartridge is not a feature of the TT-33 whatsoever. The TT-33 just happened to be chambered in 7.62x25mm and, later, 9x19mm. How do you know that it isn't actually TT-30 styled? Or PPS-43 styled? They all use 7.62x25mm.

I mean, yeah, it's possible, but you're basically making a race gun for combat use (or at least mimicking the appearance of one), which is generally not the best idea. More entry points for debris, and, if you choose to go full-race gun, a trigger not suited for combat, extremely small clearances between parts for increased accuracy, and decreased reliability for being tuned for maximum performance with a certain load.

[Yukonastan]

Hm. Short recoil it is then. How 'bout a :not:P38 with dual-stack magazine a la Inglis HiPower and bottlenecked :not:7.62x25 ammo (7.2x24mm), with controls and frame styled to look similar to 1911 (and using :not:1911 grip panels), but with :not:P38 mechanism and slide, with aspects of the design adapted to fit this bastard child with many parents, then?

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Edit: Fuckin' image mislayered. Fix'd now.

Of course it wouldn't look as abomination-ey as this does.

[Spreewerke]

Hm. Short recoil it is then. How 'bout a :not:P38 with dual-stack magazine a la Inglis HiPower and bottlenecked :not:7.62x25 ammo (7.2x24mm), with controls and frame styled to look similar to 1911 (and using :not:1911 grip panels), but with :not:P38 mechanism and slide, with aspects of the design adapted to fit this bastard child with many parents, then?

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Of course it wouldn't look as abomination-ey as this does.

So, a Taurus PT92 in 7.2x24mm?

[Yukonastan]

Hm. Short recoil it is then. How 'bout a :not:P38 with dual-stack magazine a la Inglis HiPower and bottlenecked :not:7.62x25 ammo (7.2x24mm), with controls and frame styled to look similar to 1911 (and using :not:1911 grip panels), but with :not:P38 mechanism and slide, with aspects of the design adapted to fit this bastard child with many parents, then?

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Of course it wouldn't look as abomination-ey as this does.

So, a Taurus PT92 in 7.2x24mm?

Didn't know that existed. Similar, but with the more P38-ish barrel and slide.

[Erusuia]

Would a light weight 14.5mm hmg designed to be man portable for use by airborne forces be viable/a good idea?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Would a light weight 14.5mm hmg designed to be man portable for use by airborne forces be viable/a good idea?

Not for airborne.

[Aqizithiuda]

Would a light weight 14.5mm hmg designed to be man portable for use by airborne forces be viable/a good idea?

No. The weapon will be too heavy and the ammunition even heavier.

[Puzikas]

Would a light weight 14.5mm hmg designed to be man portable for use by airborne forces be viable/a good idea?

Not for airborne.

Nonsense, there is no possible way this could be redundant in any way.

Edit to add:

The VDV did for a time experiment with lightweight Heavy Machine Guns.

You know, back in the late 1940s and 50s. They opted instead to just airdrop fighting vehicles with the paratroopers, and simply created airdropable packages containing ammunition, weapon and mount for heavier weapons, like Kopyes, AGS-17s (Which were sometimes just carried by the desantnye) or NSVs/DShKs.

[Yukonastan]

Would a light weight 14.5mm hmg designed to be man portable for use by airborne forces be viable/a good idea?

If thirty kilograms is light enough for ye.

[Azurg]

Vraag!

How difficult would it be to design an automatic, recoil operated, revolver rifle/pistol?