Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Tranche 7

[The Akasha Colony]

It is probably possible, it just starts to weigh to much for a human loader, and if I remember correctly, get to large to fit well into bustles.

Current 125 mm ammunition isn't in danger of this; weights are on par with US 120 mm ammunition.

[Imperializt Russia]

No feedback? :S

for those who missed it on the last page, it's a light tank/MGS variant of the MA11 with a 120mm gun

E: WiP of course, just showing the general turret shape

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And an alternate oscillating turret option, but I decided not to go with that.

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Are you going for a cleft/semi-cleft turret with this?
Looks nifty.

It is probably possible, it just starts to weigh to much for a human loader, and if I remember correctly, get to large to fit well into bustles.

Current 125 mm ammunition isn't in danger of this; weights are on par with US 120 mm ammunition.

I'm not so sure they are, I'm looking around and concrete numbers aren't proving easy to come by, but from what I can gather 120mm shells are around 24kg, and 125mm shells, fully-assembled, are pushing 30kg.

[Anemos Major]

No feedback? :S

for those who missed it on the last page, it's a light tank/MGS variant of the MA11 with a 120mm gun

E: WiP of course, just showing the general turret shape

(Image)

And an alternate oscillating turret option, but I decided not to go with that.

(Image)

Are you going for a cleft/semi-cleft turret with this?
Looks nifty.

Considered it! Ended up going with the flap layout I have on my HT9A8 to secure a modicum of gun depression with an otherwise conventional turret architecture, if not a somewhat low profile one.

Design is more or less lifted with a few changes from what the Leclerc was originally intended to look like.

[The Akasha Colony]

Current 125 mm ammunition isn't in danger of this; weights are on par with US 120 mm ammunition.

I'm not so sure they are, I'm looking around and concrete numbers aren't proving easy to come by, but from what I can gather 120mm shells are around 24kg, and 125mm shells, fully-assembled, are pushing 30kg.

3VBM19/3BM42M has a projectile weight of 6.95 kg, with the 9.4 kg propellant charge, that's a total weight of 16.35 kg, a good deal less than the 22.3 kg of M829A3, or even the 18.6 kg of the original M829. HEAT rounds do get a bit heavier, at 19 kg for the projectile plus 9.4 kg for the propellant, for a total of 28.4 kg, but US M830 full cartridges are 24.2 kg. Indeed, there is a difference, but one imagines that if single-piece 125 mm ammunition were being designed for manual use, this would be taken into account. Amusingly, M58 had 48.8 kg shot and 40.5 kg HE, but of course required two loaders.

[Imperializt Russia]

Articles I found on commercial sale of 125mm shells seemed to offer up 24kg projectile, which I now realise is probably a misuse in place of "cartridge".

ATK did not offer any combat shells of 120mm calibre less than 20(.9)kg, and only one training shell, a novel practice APFSDS shell known as M865.

[The Akasha Colony]

Articles I found on commercial sale of 125mm shells seemed to offer up 24kg projectile, which I now realise is probably a misuse in place of "cartridge".

ATK did not offer any combat shells of 120mm calibre less than 20(.9)kg, and only one training shell, a novel practice APFSDS shell known as M865.

I just grabbed my numbers from Fofanov for the 125 mm ammunition.

Several earlier-model 120 mm cartridges were under 20 kg, including the original M829 as mentioned (now long out of production), and XM827.

[Imperializt Russia]

Are you referencing M829 as opposed to M829A1? ATK offered M829A1-spec ammunition with a 20.9kg cartridge weight.

[The Akasha Colony]

Are you referencing M829 as opposed to M829A1? ATK offered M829A1-spec ammunition with a 20.9kg cartridge weight.

Yes. The original M829, not M829A1 or any later variant.

[Allanea]

Here's what I found.

http://btvt.narod.ru/4/kuma125.htm

ZBK16, introduced 1980, is an HEAP round with a total weight of 29 kg.

ZOF26 is an HE-F round which weighs a 33 kilograms.

[Purpelia]

There is also this.
http://www.pof.gov.pk/TAT_125mmhe.aspx
http://www.pof.gov.pk/TAT_125mmapfsds.aspx

[Registug]

No feedback? :S

for those who missed it on the last page, it's a light tank/MGS variant of the MA11 with a 120mm gun

E: WiP of course, just showing the general turret shape :P

(Image)

And an alternate oscillating turret option, but I decided not to go with that.

(Image)

Fucking space age bullshit going on here

[Bratislavskaya]

Is there any point in me using the PT-76 still? I heard it had good performance in snow, and because my nation snows most of the year I thought maybe it could still be useful due to that.

[The Kievan People]

Is there any point in me using the PT-76 still? I heard it had good performance in snow, and because my nation snows most of the year I thought maybe it could still be useful due to that.

Regular tanks work fine in the snow. If anything they work better.

During WWII the Soviets would use the T-34 like a snowplow during attacks in the snow, with infantry following in the ruts left by its wide tracks.

[Bratislavskaya]

Is there any point in me using the PT-76 still? I heard it had good performance in snow, and because my nation snows most of the year I thought maybe it could still be useful due to that.

Regular tanks work fine in the snow. If anything they work better.

During WWII the Soviets would use the T-34 like a snowplow during attacks in the snow, with infantry following in the ruts left by its wide tracks.

Okay, seems good.

[Proskoya]

Opinions on the Tracked Stryker for a battle taxi?

[Rich and Corporations]

Opinions on the Tracked Stryker for a battle taxi?

It's not a stryker. They just gave it the same name.

It's more like an IFV anyway.

[Lydenburg]

Is there any point in me using the PT-76 still? I heard it had good performance in snow, and because my nation snows most of the year I thought maybe it could still be useful due to that.

I sat inside a PT-76 about three weeks ago on my visit to Tempe. The size of the gun and shell was much larger than I anticipated, but given that low velocity and short barrel they're only marginally better than the BMP-1's Grom.

Which begs the question, why bother with the PT-76 when you can use a BMP that's just as effective in the same role?

[San-Silvacian]

Is there any point in me using the PT-76 still? I heard it had good performance in snow, and because my nation snows most of the year I thought maybe it could still be useful due to that.

I sat inside a PT-76 about three weeks ago on my visit to Tempe. The size of the gun and shell was much larger than I anticipated, but given that low velocity and short barrel they're only marginally better than the BMP-1's Grom.

Which begs the question, why bother with the PT-76 when you can use a BMP that's just as effective in the same role?

PT-76 was used a fire support vehicle/recce vehicle.

BMPs were used as recce and IFVs.

[United Marxist Nations]

Okay, I think I figured out what I want.

1600 Challenger 1 Mk.3 MBT's
2500 FV 510 Warrior AFV
1000 BTR-82A IFV
1200 Tracked Rapier SAM
250 AS-90 SPG
Various thousands of supply vehicles.

[Yukonastan]

Okay, I think I figured out what I want.

1600 Challenger 1 Mk.3 MBT's
2500 FV 510 Warrior AFV
1000 BTR-82A IFV
1200 Tracked Rapier SAM
Various thousands of supply vehicles.

I think you're a massive nation. =3

I have only a hundred or so MBTs, or am thinking of having only a hundred or so MBTs.

[United Marxist Nations]

Okay, I think I figured out what I want.

1600 Challenger 1 Mk.3 MBT's
2500 FV 510 Warrior AFV
1000 BTR-82A IFV
1200 Tracked Rapier SAM
Various thousands of supply vehicles.

I think you're a massive nation. =3

I have only a hundred or so MBTs, or am thinking of having only a hundred or so MBTs.

I have 5.7 billion people, so yes, I would be a massive nation.

[Lydenburg]

I sat inside a PT-76 about three weeks ago on my visit to Tempe. The size of the gun and shell was much larger than I anticipated, but given that low velocity and short barrel they're only marginally better than the BMP-1's Grom.

Which begs the question, why bother with the PT-76 when you can use a BMP that's just as effective in the same role?

PT-76 was used a fire support vehicle/recce vehicle.

BMPs were used as recce and IFVs.

Consider that the firepower, armour, and mobility are about the same - except a BMP can carry more troops.

[Lydenburg]

I think you're a massive nation. =3

I have only a hundred or so MBTs, or am thinking of having only a hundred or so MBTs.

I have 5.7 billion people, so yes, I would be a massive nation.

I'm curious as to why everything on that list is British but the BTR. Wouldn't that needlessly complicate logistics?

[United Marxist Nations]

I have 5.7 billion people, so yes, I would be a massive nation.

I'm curious as to why everything on that list is British but the BTR. Wouldn't that needlessly complicate logistics?

Because I like the BTR. I don't see how it would really complicate them that much.

[Yukonastan]

I have 5.7 billion people, so yes, I would be a massive nation.

I'm curious as to why everything on that list is British but the BTR. Wouldn't that needlessly complicate logistics?

No, there's these things called production licences, and all of those vehicles are custom-developed without parts commonality anyway.