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Postby Skytecnia » Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:51 pm

Pretty much any of the U.S. U.K. German air vehicles count. So yes this includes VTOLS.

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Postby Paragania » Mon Apr 27, 2015 3:01 pm

Vassenor wrote:Hrm... OK, I am no longer convinced that my current use of the Mirage 2000E as a multirole aircraft is a particularly good one.

Does anyone have any suggestions for stuff I could retcon in or replace it with?

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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Mon Apr 27, 2015 3:04 pm

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Vassenor wrote:Hrm... OK, I am no longer convinced that my current use of the Mirage 2000E as a multirole aircraft is a particularly good one.

Does anyone have any suggestions for stuff I could retcon in or replace it with?

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Postby Rhoderberg » Mon Apr 27, 2015 3:30 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Rhoderberg wrote:F-15E

Simmer down, you.

It's not my fault I have good taste in multirole aircraft.
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Postby Gallia- » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:00 pm

Vassenor wrote:Hrm... OK, I am no longer convinced that my current use of the Mirage 2000E as a multirole aircraft is a particularly good one.

Does anyone have any suggestions for stuff I could retcon in or replace it with?


F-16.

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Postby Rhoderberg » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:27 pm

Gallia- wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Hrm... OK, I am no longer convinced that my current use of the Mirage 2000E as a multirole aircraft is a particularly good one.

Does anyone have any suggestions for stuff I could retcon in or replace it with?


F-16.

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Postby Atlantica » Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:51 pm

Vassenor wrote:Hrm... OK, I am no longer convinced that my current use of the Mirage 2000E as a multirole aircraft is a particularly good one.

Does anyone have any suggestions for stuff I could retcon in or replace it with?

Well, in that case, the F-26 Black Eagle can do very well.
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Postby Atlantica » Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:34 pm

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Rhoderberg wrote:How poor do you think he is?


F-16 is better than F-15E.

Well, in what way, besides management costs?
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Postby Gallia- » Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:42 pm

Atlantica wrote:
Gallia- wrote:
F-16 is better than F-15E.

Well, in what way, besides management costs?


Cost is like 90% of an air force right there.

The other 10% is how good your pilots are at slaying women in the bar.

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Postby Radicchio » Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:54 pm

I am thinking of setting up an air mobile ambulance service. Ideas?

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Postby Atlantica » Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:55 pm

Radicchio wrote:I am thinking of setting up an air mobile ambulance service. Ideas?

You mean with a helicopter?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:58 pm

Well since nsmrt fizzled out and I'm still wondering about it. Are there any downsides or upsides to utilize jet seaplanes instead of converted airliners or bombers for maritime patrol?
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Postby Gallia- » Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:59 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Well since nsmrt fizzled out and I'm still wondering about it. Are there any downsides or upsides to utilize jet seaplanes instead of converted airliners or bombers for maritime patrol?


Yes.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:00 pm

Gallia- wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Well since nsmrt fizzled out and I'm still wondering about it. Are there any downsides or upsides to utilize jet seaplanes instead of converted airliners or bombers for maritime patrol?


Yes.

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Postby Gallia- » Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:19 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Gallia- wrote:
Yes.

Care to provide more Gayla? :p


Seaplanes need:

1) Marinisation, although this isn't a tremendous concern it's still an issue if you intend to make a patrol aircraft as cheap as possible (the objective behind using airliners for conversion), requiring electronics, engines, etc. being replaced or at least procured specifically for resistance to water and salt corrosion.

2) Calm seas. Unlike a maritime patrol aircraft, seaplanes have trouble taking off in rough weather. They're not really boats, and without a clear stretch of sea to take off from something operating with turboprops or -fans would ingest seawater rather heavily. It might not be an issue with modern engines, but it's still unnecessary wear. Additionally, it'll reduce takeoff weight the worse the weather gets, maybe requiring JATO bottles or something in rather severe swells, but this is one of the advantages of a Seamaster-like flying boat: it's less prone to caring about swells and wave height. Unfortunately it's still a flying boat, so it's not totally cured, so having an ability to conduct amphibious landing and takeoff would be a benefit, but not an advantage compared to an airliner conversion.

3) Maintenance, like a boat, but also like a plane. Seaplanes need to have a lot of maintenance common to both, which isn't hard, but it still drives up operating costs and whatever.

Other stuff that's probably less important.

An advantage that it has over land based aircraft would be dispersion though. This was the main thing behind Seamaster, which could disperse to whatever port and not rely on centralised and known airfields that could be pre-targeted. Unfortunately, submarines proved even better than any bomber in that regard.

There's no significant advantages afforded by using a seaplane for maritime patrol over a land-based aircraft. Rarely will a MPA need to takeoff from a port or harbour, when it can takeoff from the nearby airfield instead. An existing aircraft conversion would be cheaper, easier to operate and maintain, and generally just as useful, and MPAs are generally designed with the explicit intention of being cheap to operate and maintain because the electronics and modifications for them are very expensive, very large, and require significant crew sizes, which airliners provide for in ample amounts.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:30 am

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Postby Crookfur » Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:53 am

Vassenor wrote:For the record, I'm not big on using other people's fictional designs.


The only real direct compeitor to the mirage 2000 in its multirole form is the F-16 although you could possibly add the grippen and the F-18 to the list. Obviously the Rafale is the replacement, which if you are considering also brings in the Typhoon as an option and then the feild is suddenly wide open

What is it about the Mirage that you find to be lacking and what would an alternative have to bring/not have? Also if a retcon is involved what sort of date would the alt have to be entering service with you?
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Postby Radicchio » Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:41 am

Atlantica wrote:
Radicchio wrote:I am thinking of setting up an air mobile ambulance service. Ideas?

You mean with a helicopter?


Could be he helicopters, could be tilt rotors, light choppers, big heavy ones, STOL fixed wings, etc.

That is why i was asking.

I have mobile hospital units being moved around by trucks and able to be set up just about anywhere for either disaster relief or for near_to_front battlefield medical care, I also have 2-litter light combat ambulances and 6-litter Maxi-ambulances for transporting wounded on the battlefield and mobile surgery trucks for battlefield triage and stabilization.

What i do not have is an air-mobile option for getting them from the maxi-ambulances and mobile-surgery units, to the mobile hospitals.
So i need to set up an air mobile ambulance service

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:47 am

Radicchio wrote:
Atlantica wrote:You mean with a helicopter?


Could be he helicopters, could be tilt rotors, light choppers, big heavy ones, STOL fixed wings, etc.

That is why i was asking.

I have mobile hospital units being moved around by trucks and able to be set up just about anywhere for either disaster relief or for near_to_front battlefield medical care, I also have 2-litter light combat ambulances and 6-litter Maxi-ambulances for transporting wounded on the battlefield and mobile surgery trucks for battlefield triage and stabilization.

What i do not have is an air-mobile option for getting them from the maxi-ambulances and mobile-surgery units, to the mobile hospitals.
So i need to set up an air mobile ambulance service


So basically CASEVAC. In that case I'd take a leaf from the RAF's MERT, and say use CH-47s.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:56 am

Crookfur wrote:
Vassenor wrote:For the record, I'm not big on using other people's fictional designs.


The only real direct compeitor to the mirage 2000 in its multirole form is the F-16 although you could possibly add the grippen and the F-18 to the list. Obviously the Rafale is the replacement, which if you are considering also brings in the Typhoon as an option and then the feild is suddenly wide open

What is it about the Mirage that you find to be lacking and what would an alternative have to bring/not have? Also if a retcon is involved what sort of date would the alt have to be entering service with you?


Well if it's a retcon then it'll be entering service as a Phantom replacement in the early 90's.
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Postby Celibrae » Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:59 am

Radicchio wrote:
Atlantica wrote:You mean with a helicopter?


Could be he helicopters, could be tilt rotors, light choppers, big heavy ones, STOL fixed wings, etc.

That is why i was asking.

I have mobile hospital units being moved around by trucks and able to be set up just about anywhere for either disaster relief or for near_to_front battlefield medical care, I also have 2-litter light combat ambulances and 6-litter Maxi-ambulances for transporting wounded on the battlefield and mobile surgery trucks for battlefield triage and stabilization.

What i do not have is an air-mobile option for getting them from the maxi-ambulances and mobile-surgery units, to the mobile hospitals.
So i need to set up an air mobile ambulance service


CH-47s, perhaps NH90s.
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Postby Crookfur » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:43 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Crookfur wrote:
The only real direct compeitor to the mirage 2000 in its multirole form is the F-16 although you could possibly add the grippen and the F-18 to the list. Obviously the Rafale is the replacement, which if you are considering also brings in the Typhoon as an option and then the feild is suddenly wide open

What is it about the Mirage that you find to be lacking and what would an alternative have to bring/not have? Also if a retcon is involved what sort of date would the alt have to be entering service with you?


Well if it's a retcon then it'll be entering service as a Phantom replacement in the early 90's.


Then your options are F-16s or F-18s. Tornado might be a possibility if you don't mind a split fleet of F.3s(ADV) and Gr.1s(IDS) and the same goes for F-15s if you have the pockets for them.
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Postby Organized States » Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:41 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Radicchio wrote:
Could be he helicopters, could be tilt rotors, light choppers, big heavy ones, STOL fixed wings, etc.

That is why i was asking.

I have mobile hospital units being moved around by trucks and able to be set up just about anywhere for either disaster relief or for near_to_front battlefield medical care, I also have 2-litter light combat ambulances and 6-litter Maxi-ambulances for transporting wounded on the battlefield and mobile surgery trucks for battlefield triage and stabilization.

What i do not have is an air-mobile option for getting them from the maxi-ambulances and mobile-surgery units, to the mobile hospitals.
So i need to set up an air mobile ambulance service


So basically CASEVAC. In that case I'd take a leaf from the RAF's MERT, and say use CH-47s.

Or the MH-60s Variants that the US uses.
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