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Postby Deus Mercenary Leadership » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:35 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Deus Mercenary Leadership wrote:If we had enough resources, do you think it could be made?

What is that thing?

It is an ace combat plane
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Postby Deus Mercenary Leadership » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:41 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:What is that thing?

An Ace Combat superplane, and I doubt it could be produced.

Do you think it would be able to fly and become a successful plane or will it be a total fail or something that just existed.
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Postby Oaledonia » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:45 pm

Deus Mercenary Leadership wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:An Ace Combat superplane, and I doubt it could be produced.

Do you think it would be able to fly and become a successful plane or will it be a total fail or something that just existed.

It wouldn't work.
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Postby Deus Mercenary Leadership » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:49 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
Deus Mercenary Leadership wrote:Do you think it would be able to fly and become a successful plane or will it be a total fail or something that just existed.

It wouldn't work.

Well that kind of sucks, then again the size of it is like of the su 47 and the amount of missiles it carries means IT'S HEAVY, not heavy, HEAVY. To tell you the truth it kind of annoys me because of the countless times I stalled with it but I still like it.
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Postby San-Silvacian » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:18 pm

It could be produced, it might even be able to fly.

But it would get fucked up as its design is silly.
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Postby Oaledonia » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:21 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:It could be produced, it might even be able to fly.

But it would get fucked up as its design is silly.

Your design is silly.
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Postby San-Silvacian » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:47 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:It could be produced, it might even be able to fly.

But it would get fucked up as its design is silly.

Your design is silly.


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Postby Transnapastain » Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:10 pm

Pharthan wrote: Firefly was scheduled better than the Silent Eagle.


I absolutely love you for the reference. :P

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Postby Triplebaconation » Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:18 pm

Triplebaconation wrote:
Pharthan wrote:Initial buy-in price, yes.

Overall maintenance cost and general logistics, training, et cetera, maintenance? Not so much.
And it'd still be able to have at least half of the maintenance requirements as the Raptor; you could use it twice as often.


What's more expensive to fly, a F-16 or F-22?


F-16. :(
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Postby Purpelia » Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:56 pm

Triplebaconation wrote:
Triplebaconation wrote:
What's more expensive to fly, a F-16 or F-22?


F-16. :(

How about a newly built F-16 compared to a F-22? As in assuming it's fresh of the production line and the lines are still there to provide parts.
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Postby Triplebaconation » Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:32 pm

That doesn't have much to do with it.

The costs per flight hour typically quoted (F-22 needs twice as much maintenance as a F-15 lol) are operating or ownership costs per hour, basically entire program costs divided by flight hours. A small fleet flying less total hours will have a higher operational CPFH - this is the reason combat-capable trainers typically have CPFHs about 50% higher than single-seaters.

In 2011, for example, the USAF's small remaining fleet of F-16As logged 62 hours of flight time at a cost of $227,559 per hour. The year before that they flew 112 hours at a cost of $132,204 per hour, and in 2009 502 hours at $26,432 per hour.

Operating CPFHs are highly variable from year to year depending on the number of hours flown and costs not directly related to maintenance (such as modifications or crashes), and small fleets exacerbate that. In 2010 F-22s flew 24,817 hours at $60,682 per hour, but in 2011 only 15,578 hours. Predictably, the CPFH went up to $111,779. In 2012 it was back to 26,677 hours at $60,507 per hour. F-15s are about $30-40,000 depending on type - they also log four times the fleet hours.

In extreme cases this method of accounting can lead to costs per hour being millions of dollar higher from one year to another.

Maintenance and consumables are variable costs per hour - F-15s are about $17,000 and F-22s $19,000. This still isn't great, since one of the ATF goals was to reduce maintenance costs with advanced diagnostics.
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Postby Pharthan » Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:01 pm

Transnapastain wrote:
Pharthan wrote: Firefly was scheduled better than the Silent Eagle.


I absolutely love you for the reference. :P

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Pharthan wrote:
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I absolutely love you for the reference. :P

I was hoping I wasn't alone on NS in my obsessive fandoms.


Mal flying the ship through planetary atmosphere should make it part of this thread anyway. :lol:
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Postby San-Silvacian » Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:21 am

Triplebaconation wrote:That doesn't have much to do with it.

The costs per flight hour typically quoted (F-22 needs twice as much maintenance as a F-15 lol) are operating or ownership costs per hour, basically entire program costs divided by flight hours. A small fleet flying less total hours will have a higher operational CPFH - this is the reason combat-capable trainers typically have CPFHs about 50% higher than single-seaters.

In 2011, for example, the USAF's small remaining fleet of F-16As logged 62 hours of flight time at a cost of $227,559 per hour. The year before that they flew 112 hours at a cost of $132,204 per hour, and in 2009 502 hours at $26,432 per hour.

Operating CPFHs are highly variable from year to year depending on the number of hours flown and costs not directly related to maintenance (such as modifications or crashes), and small fleets exacerbate that. In 2010 F-22s flew 24,817 hours at $60,682 per hour, but in 2011 only 15,578 hours. Predictably, the CPFH went up to $111,779. In 2012 it was back to 26,677 hours at $60,507 per hour. F-15s are about $30-40,000 depending on type - they also log four times the fleet hours.

In extreme cases this method of accounting can lead to costs per hour being millions of dollar higher from one year to another.

Maintenance and consumables are variable costs per hour - F-15s are about $17,000 and F-22s $19,000. This still isn't great, since one of the ATF goals was to reduce maintenance costs with advanced diagnostics.


Are these current F-15s or when the F-15 first came out, with prices adjusted for inflation?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:38 am

The New Lowlands wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Mate. Thrust vectoring by pointing feet. U lost.

Planes > Strike Wenches

You'd think so. Until you confront the low RCS, the shielding to compete with whatever durability your Fulcrum has and the ability to thrust-vector by pointing feet. Obviously we do have atmospheric shielding too against the enviroments. The point of the story is underestimate us in an rp and you'd be rekt pretty fast.
Besides I let my big fighters take care of air superiority, and payload delivery. The Witches are there as airmobile infantry.
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Postby Oaledonia » Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:40 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:Planes > Strike Wenches

You'd think so. Until you confront the low RCS, the shielding to compete with whatever durability your Fulcrum has and the ability to thrust-vector by pointing feet. Obviously we do have atmospheric shielding too against the enviroments. The point of the story is underestimate us in an rp and you'd be rekt pretty fast.
Besides I let my big fighters take care of air superiority, and payload delivery. The Witches are there as airmobile infantry.

Plus magicz.
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Postby Registug » Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:44 am

Magically enhanced bullets and healing abilities
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Registug wrote:Magically enhanced bullets and healing abilities

I'm sorry, but did anyone ask you? :P
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Postby Arminica » Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:47 am

The Arminican Air Force is mainly comprised of SU-27s, MiG-29s, upgraded MiG-23s, and some Q-5s.

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Postby Registug » Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:49 am

Oaledonia wrote:
Registug wrote:Magically enhanced bullets and healing abilities

I'm sorry, but did anyone ask you? :P

You're right, I've only read fanfiction and not actually watched the show
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Postby United Earthlings » Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:23 pm

Fighter's of the Commonwealth, a history.

Still working on the Fighter-bombers, bombers, transports, helicopters etc...
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Postby Oaledonia » Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:42 pm

United Earthlings wrote:Fighter's of the Commonwealth, a history.

Still working on the Fighter-bombers, bombers, transports, helicopters etc...

Why an F-22 and a PAK-FA?
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Postby Kampala- » Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:47 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
United Earthlings wrote:Fighter's of the Commonwealth, a history.

Still working on the Fighter-bombers, bombers, transports, helicopters etc...

Why an F-22 and a PAK-FA?


Because duplication owns.
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Postby Spoder » Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:57 pm

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Oaledonia wrote:Why an F-22 and a PAK-FA?


Because duplication owns.

Because you're scared to admit the PAK-FA owns.
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