Worldbuilding Realism Consultation Thread Mk. 4

[Heavonia]

This is stupid.

Not really, making them liable to each specific harmed person would be impracticable. Police budgets would have to be massive to do the same job.

Not liable to every harmed person individually, but police Should have a duty of care to the populace enshrined in law.

Not really, making them liable to each specific harmed person would be impracticable. Police budgets would have to be massive to do the same job.

Or maybe laws will have to be very small for the same police budget.

Because Britain is known as a libertarian utopia...

[Crookfur]

In Crookfur police officers can, with the approval of thier station superintendent, take second jobs however they can't use thier police powers, uniform or equipment to carry out any additional employment.

The only instance in which Policing services would be paid for would be in cases where Special Police Provision is required ie large public events that will require the deployment of a number of officers to control traffic and prevent criminality and breaches of the King's peace. In this case the event organisers will be charged a fee to cover the costs of deploying officers for the duration of the event. Payment of the fee will be a condition of receiving the approved public safety license nessicary for the event to go ahead.

In short how the various british forces deal with football games but expanded to a wider range of public events.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

What vehicles and protocols does your nation's police use to transport suspects and prisoners (note there is a difference - suspects typically refers to freshly arrested individuals, whereas prisoners refers more to individuals which have already been booked in a jail or serve a prison sentence) ?

In RN, suspects are transported in the following ways:

• In the back of cruisers: a cruiser has a front officer compartment, a rear suspect compartment, and a trunk. The rear suspect compartment is fully partitioned and waterproofed, allowing for easy and convenient cleaning by hosing, facilitated by bottom drain holes featuring removable plugs. A molded plastic seating unit comprised of 2 seats features an ergonomic shape allowing for relative comfort for handcuffed persons. The seatbelts are oriented towards the outside of the vehicle so that officers do not have to reach over suspects. The buckles are stored attached to clips mounted on the front partition (near the B-pillars) so that suspects do not sit on them when placed in the vehicle, ensuring ease and convenience for the officer. Behind each backrest of each seat and contained inside the seating unit itself there is a device called SecuriLock which is comprised of a winch and some electronics which works as follows: before placing a suspect in the vehicle, the officer pulls on the cable inside the winch and attaches its end to the handcuffs of the suspect. As the suspect is placed in the vehicle, the cable, which is slightly tensioned, smoothly retracts back into the winch. When almost fully retracted, the winch pulls on the cable and locks it in place. This limits the movement of the suspect greatly, making any attempt to free themselves from the handcuffs or escape the vehicle futile. Whenever a crash is detected the system automatically unlocks to limit the chance of injury and facilitate recovery of the suspect.
• In the back of vans fitted with a trunk partition: some police vans feature a "trunk partition" which is placed at a certain distance behind the rear doors, delimiting a small cargo compartment called a "trunk". This compartment features jump seats with seatbelts, allowing for suspects or additional officers to be transported inside it.
• In dedicated suspect transport vans: Most suspects are transported in one of the above. However, extremely hostile suspects that cannot be easily buckled in may be transported in such a vehicle. The rear compartment is partitioned and fully padded, being waterproofed and featuring bottom drain holes with removable plugs as well as jump seats with seatbelts. When suspects do not allow officers to buckle them in, they may be transported in such a van without a seatbelt on in the following conditions: a)only one or two at a time depending on whether or not there is a middle partition b)at no more than 30 km/h. This is done to limit the possibility of injuries occurring, which incidentally limits liability. However, protocol strictly prohibits that any suspect be transported without handcuffs on, so one way or another they must be put on before riding to the nick. This limits the possibility of a suspect escaping, as a handcuffed person cannot run properly because they cannot use their hands for balance, and if they trip they cannot use their hands to break the fall. The larger space than that allowed by the 2 above also allows officers to more easily attempt to forcefully buckle a person in. When transporting suspects that are buckled in, several persons can be carried versus just one or two.

[The Chinese Peoples]

What vehicles and protocols does your nation's police use to transport suspects and prisoners (note there is a difference - suspects typically refers to freshly arrested individuals, whereas prisoners refers more to individuals which have already been booked in a jail or serve a prison sentence) ?

In ambulances disguised as prison vehicles. This way, nobody could accuse us of prisoner mistreatment.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

What vehicles and protocols does your nation's police use to transport suspects and prisoners (note there is a difference - suspects typically refers to freshly arrested individuals, whereas prisoners refers more to individuals which have already been booked in a jail or serve a prison sentence) ?

In ambulances disguised as prison vehicles. This way, nobody could accuse us of prisoner mistreatment.

How does that even work?

[Heavonia]

What vehicles and protocols does your nation's police use to transport suspects and prisoners (note there is a difference - suspects typically refers to freshly arrested individuals, whereas prisoners refers more to individuals which have already been booked in a jail or serve a prison sentence) ?

Heavonia:
Suspects and Prisoners are usually carried in the back of larger, van-like 'Mary Du' carriages, also known as 'Ifri-wagons'. Given rudimentary armoring against Grade-III weapons and equipped with restraints in a sectioned-off rear compartment, the MD Carriages can carry up to 8 prisoners each. Prisoners may occasionally be carried in the back of patrol vehicles or others, but this is rarer.

My sensible Western NS Nation:
Suspects, officially termed 'Detained Persons', (as they may in fact not be suspected of a crime, and their only uniform characteristic is that they are detained), are most commonly transported in small vans. These vans, sometimes colloquially termed 'wagons', are equipped with a prisoner cage in the back. This is simply a rigid metal box with benches on the sides above the wheel-arches. There are no belts or restraints in-built, and the doors to this cage (one front and one rear) are locked from the outside. The doors have barred polymer windows to allow view of what the Detained Person is doing. Should a Detained Person be cuffed or not, then they will simply be sat on the bench. Should they be placed in full restraints (cuffed to the rear, and leg restraints above knees and at ankles) then they are sat in an 'L' position, with their back slightly to the side of the rear door, and their legs going forward, through the front door into the crew compartment of the van. At least two officers must crew a van which contains a Detained Person. One to drive, and the second sits facing backwards to watch the Detained Person. One van can carry up to four Detained Persons cuffed (or one Detained Person in full restraints), though as standard practice they carry one, to prevent discussion of stories, or causing harm to each other.

Larger public order vans, aka 'carriers' are usually equipped with a single fold-down seat in a small 'coffin' compartment in the back. Detained Persons may not be placed in these when in full restraints for safety reasons.

Detained Persons may be sat, cuffed to the front or rear, in a car (patrol, armed response, traffic, unmarked, or otherwise). This is a bog standard car with bog-standard car seats. There must be two people minimum in a car with a Detained Person. One to drive, and the second sits behind the driver (the Detained Person must sit behind the passenger's seat to make interference with the driver more difficult) to watch the Detained Person, and physically restrain him or her if necessary.

Prisoners are usually carried in Penitentiary Service carrier vans, with 3 crew and from 4 to 8 'coffin' cages in the back, with similar operating practice to the 'Carrier' vans used by police.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

What vehicles and protocols does your nation's police use to transport suspects and prisoners (note there is a difference - suspects typically refers to freshly arrested individuals, whereas prisoners refers more to individuals which have already been booked in a jail or serve a prison sentence) ?

Heavonia:
Suspects and Prisoners are usually carried in the back of larger, van-like 'Mary Du' carriages, also known as 'Ifri-wagons'. Given rudimentary armoring against Grade-III weapons and equipped with restraints in a sectioned-off rear compartment, the MD Carriages can carry up to 8 prisoners each. Prisoners may occasionally be carried in the back of patrol vehicles or others, but this is rarer.

My sensible Western NS Nation:
Suspects, officially termed 'Detained Persons', (as they may in fact not be suspected of a crime, and their only uniform characteristic is that they are detained), are most commonly transported in small vans. These vans, sometimes colloquially termed 'wagons', are equipped with a prisoner cage in the back. This is simply a rigid metal box with benches on the sides above the wheel-arches. There are no belts or restraints in-built, and the doors to this cage (one front and one rear) are locked from the outside. The doors have barred polymer windows to allow view of what the Detained Person is doing. Should a Detained Person be cuffed or not, then they will simply be sat on the bench. Should they be placed in full restraints (cuffed to the rear, and leg restraints above knees and at ankles) then they are sat in an 'L' position, with their back slightly to the side of the rear door, and their legs going forward, through the front door into the crew compartment of the van. At least two officers must crew a van which contains a Detained Person. One to drive, and the second sits facing backwards to watch the Detained Person. One van can carry up to four Detained Persons cuffed (or one Detained Person in full restraints), though as standard practice they carry one, to prevent discussion of stories, or causing harm to each other.

Larger public order vans, aka 'carriers' are usually equipped with a single fold-down seat in a small 'coffin' compartment in the back. Detained Persons may not be placed in these when in full restraints for safety reasons.

Detained Persons may be sat, cuffed to the front or rear, in a car (patrol, armed response, traffic, unmarked, or otherwise). This is a bog standard car with bog-standard car seats. There must be two people minimum in a car with a Detained Person. One to drive, and the second sits behind the driver (the Detained Person must sit behind the passenger's seat to make interference with the driver more difficult) to watch the Detained Person, and physically restrain him or her if necessary.

Prisoners are usually carried in Penitentiary Service carrier vans, with 3 crew and from 4 to 8 'coffin' cages in the back, with similar operating practice to the 'Carrier' vans used by police.

*jimmies were rustled*

Ok, well first off, there is a difference between detaining and arresting someone. A person is usually detained for a brief period of time, and shouldn't probably be transported anywhere. This usually means an hour or less. You should probably not be transporting anyone who's not suspected of a crime from one place to another. If you want, you can have "obstructing a public officer" or "obstructing justice" or "withholding information relevant to justice" as a crime or something, and then you can arrest someone who you want to interrogate that is refusing to co-operate. Detained persons may be placed in handcuffs and/or in a police vehicle, but this doesn't mean they're arrested.

When someone is arrested they usually get booked into jail and if officially charged they may remain under arrest until they go on trial.

Prisoners are those who have been sentenced to serve a certain amount of time in a prison (or in some places, possibly in a jail as well) .

I personally believe that the best protocol is to always have arrested suspects handcuffed to their back, whether or not they are being transported in a police vehicle or not, which is a view shared by many police agencies in the US and probably worldwide.

Also, for regular police cruisers, assuming it is a common occurrence that suspects are transported in the back, I think the best thing to do is to modify the rear compartment into a cage basically as US PDs do because this allows the additional officer to ride up front with the driver, sparing him of spontaneous (assuming they'd otherwise get a van) attempts by the suspect to bite them or spit in their face, or having to deal with the intentional or accidental discharge of various body fluids and smells.

Also, plastic or vinyl seats will be much easier to clean than the cloth upholstery that is standard on most police cars. If the compartment is waterproofed, as with my police cruisers, all the better.

[Heavonia]

Heavonia:
Suspects and Prisoners are usually carried in the back of larger, van-like 'Mary Du' carriages, also known as 'Ifri-wagons'. Given rudimentary armoring against Grade-III weapons and equipped with restraints in a sectioned-off rear compartment, the MD Carriages can carry up to 8 prisoners each. Prisoners may occasionally be carried in the back of patrol vehicles or others, but this is rarer.

My sensible Western NS Nation:
Suspects, officially termed 'Detained Persons', (as they may in fact not be suspected of a crime, and their only uniform characteristic is that they are detained), are most commonly transported in small vans. These vans, sometimes colloquially termed 'wagons', are equipped with a prisoner cage in the back. This is simply a rigid metal box with benches on the sides above the wheel-arches. There are no belts or restraints in-built, and the doors to this cage (one front and one rear) are locked from the outside. The doors have barred polymer windows to allow view of what the Detained Person is doing. Should a Detained Person be cuffed or not, then they will simply be sat on the bench. Should they be placed in full restraints (cuffed to the rear, and leg restraints above knees and at ankles) then they are sat in an 'L' position, with their back slightly to the side of the rear door, and their legs going forward, through the front door into the crew compartment of the van. At least two officers must crew a van which contains a Detained Person. One to drive, and the second sits facing backwards to watch the Detained Person. One van can carry up to four Detained Persons cuffed (or one Detained Person in full restraints), though as standard practice they carry one, to prevent discussion of stories, or causing harm to each other.

Larger public order vans, aka 'carriers' are usually equipped with a single fold-down seat in a small 'coffin' compartment in the back. Detained Persons may not be placed in these when in full restraints for safety reasons.

Detained Persons may be sat, cuffed to the front or rear, in a car (patrol, armed response, traffic, unmarked, or otherwise). This is a bog standard car with bog-standard car seats. There must be two people minimum in a car with a Detained Person. One to drive, and the second sits behind the driver (the Detained Person must sit behind the passenger's seat to make interference with the driver more difficult) to watch the Detained Person, and physically restrain him or her if necessary.

Prisoners are usually carried in Penitentiary Service carrier vans, with 3 crew and from 4 to 8 'coffin' cages in the back, with similar operating practice to the 'Carrier' vans used by police.

*jimmies were rustled*

Ok, well first off, there is a difference between detaining and arresting someone. A person is usually detained for a brief period of time, and shouldn't probably be transported anywhere. This usually means an hour or less. You should probably not be transporting anyone who's not suspected of a crime from one place to another. If you want, you can have "obstructing a public officer" or "obstructing justice" or "withholding information relevant to justice" as a crime or something, and then you can arrest someone who you want to interrogate that is refusing to co-operate. Detained persons may be placed in handcuffs and/or in a police vehicle, but this doesn't mean they're arrested.

Persons may be detained under mental health legislation for the safety of themselves and/or others. In my experience, which is not American, the correct terminology is 'Detained Person'.

When someone is arrested they usually get booked into jail and if officially charged they may remain under arrest until they go on trial.

Only if the Custody officer allows it, but yes that's generally how police custody offices work.

Prisoners are those who have been sentenced to serve a certain amount of time in a prison (or in some places, possibly in a jail as well) .

Correct.

I personally believe that the best protocol is to always have arrested suspects handcuffed to their back, whether or not they are being transported in a police vehicle or not, which is a view shared by many police agencies in the US and probably worldwide.

The best way is with the palms facing outward to the rear, with the outsides of the wrists together (the 'back-to-back' position). Rear-Stack may be used, as may front-stack. Front stack should strictly speaking only be used where the suspect's fitness, clothing, body shape, or another factor prevents the flexibility of a rear cuff. An example of another factor is that UK extradition teams will drive someone in the back seat of a car from (for example) Preston in Lancashire to an RAF Station on the outskirts of London (IIRC), which is like a 4 hour drive. The discomfort of the prisoner is deemed unnecessary, so a front-stack position is used. Never ever use a front-to-front position front-cuffed. Just. Never. Do. It.

Also, for regular police cruisers, assuming it is a common occurrence that suspects are transported in the back, I think the best thing to do is to modify the rear compartment into a cage basically as US PDs do because this allows the additional officer to ride up front with the driver, sparing him of spontaneous (assuming they'd otherwise get a van) attempts by the suspect to bite them or spit in their face, or having to deal with the intentional or accidental discharge of various body fluids and smells.

It's uncommon enough that modification is not important. Strictly speaking it only happens when there are no vans available for deployment - and vans pretty much only shuttle people from scenes to custody offices, unless there's free time or an urgent need elsewhere.

Also, plastic or vinyl seats will be much easier to clean than the cloth upholstery that is standard on most police cars. If the compartment is waterproofed, as with my police cruisers, all the better.

"But muh expenses" - Senior Officers everywhere

[Laritaia]

you should just inject lawbreakers with a slow acting neurotoxin and instruct them to turn themselves in at the nearest police station where the antidote will be.

like how they do in the future documentary "continuum"

[Purpelia]

"But muh expenses" - Senior Officers everywhere

What expenses? Every time you have to clean the seats up the suspect that made the mess should be charged for it. And while you are at it you can charge them as if you were using proper cloth seats that need dry cleaning as opposed to the cheap plastic and pump the difference into buying a new espresso machine for the station.

[Heavonia]

"But muh expenses" - Senior Officers everywhere

What expenses? Every time you have to clean the seats up the suspect that made the mess should be charged for it. And while you are at it you can charge them as if you were using proper cloth seats that need dry cleaning as opposed to the cheap plastic and pump the difference into buying a new espresso machine for the station.

"But muh expenses" - Beancounters everywhere

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

*jimmies were rustled*

Ok, well first off, there is a difference between detaining and arresting someone. A person is usually detained for a brief period of time, and shouldn't probably be transported anywhere. This usually means an hour or less. You should probably not be transporting anyone who's not suspected of a crime from one place to another. If you want, you can have "obstructing a public officer" or "obstructing justice" or "withholding information relevant to justice" as a crime or something, and then you can arrest someone who you want to interrogate that is refusing to co-operate. Detained persons may be placed in handcuffs and/or in a police vehicle, but this doesn't mean they're arrested.

Persons may be detained under mental health legislation for the safety of themselves and/or others. In my experience, which is not American, the correct terminology is 'Detained Person'.

When someone is arrested they usually get booked into jail and if officially charged they may remain under arrest until they go on trial.

Only if the Custody officer allows it, but yes that's generally how police custody offices work.

Prisoners are those who have been sentenced to serve a certain amount of time in a prison (or in some places, possibly in a jail as well) .

Correct.

I personally believe that the best protocol is to always have arrested suspects handcuffed to their back, whether or not they are being transported in a police vehicle or not, which is a view shared by many police agencies in the US and probably worldwide.

The best way is with the palms facing outward to the rear, with the outsides of the wrists together (the 'back-to-back' position). Rear-Stack may be used, as may front-stack. Front stack should strictly speaking only be used where the suspect's fitness, clothing, body shape, or another factor prevents the flexibility of a rear cuff. An example of another factor is that UK extradition teams will drive someone in the back seat of a car from (for example) Preston in Lancashire to an RAF Station on the outskirts of London (IIRC), which is like a 4 hour drive. The discomfort of the prisoner is deemed unnecessary, so a front-stack position is used. Never ever use a front-to-front position front-cuffed. Just. Never. Do. It.

Also, for regular police cruisers, assuming it is a common occurrence that suspects are transported in the back, I think the best thing to do is to modify the rear compartment into a cage basically as US PDs do because this allows the additional officer to ride up front with the driver, sparing him of spontaneous (assuming they'd otherwise get a van) attempts by the suspect to bite them or spit in their face, or having to deal with the intentional or accidental discharge of various body fluids and smells.

It's uncommon enough that modification is not important. Strictly speaking it only happens when there are no vans available for deployment - and vans pretty much only shuttle people from scenes to custody offices, unless there's free time or an urgent need elsewhere.

Also, plastic or vinyl seats will be much easier to clean than the cloth upholstery that is standard on most police cars. If the compartment is waterproofed, as with my police cruisers, all the better.

"But muh expenses" - Senior Officers everywhere

It will be cheaper than cleaning barf off your rear seats everytime you transport someone who may not be necessarily hostile but has simply had too much to drink. Also think of the resale value of the vehicle. Slip-on vinyl or plastic covers are better for everyone.

[Heavonia]

Persons may be detained under mental health legislation for the safety of themselves and/or others. In my experience, which is not American, the correct terminology is 'Detained Person'.


Only if the Custody officer allows it, but yes that's generally how police custody offices work.


Correct.


The best way is with the palms facing outward to the rear, with the outsides of the wrists together (the 'back-to-back' position). Rear-Stack may be used, as may front-stack. Front stack should strictly speaking only be used where the suspect's fitness, clothing, body shape, or another factor prevents the flexibility of a rear cuff. An example of another factor is that UK extradition teams will drive someone in the back seat of a car from (for example) Preston in Lancashire to an RAF Station on the outskirts of London (IIRC), which is like a 4 hour drive. The discomfort of the prisoner is deemed unnecessary, so a front-stack position is used. Never ever use a front-to-front position front-cuffed. Just. Never. Do. It.


It's uncommon enough that modification is not important. Strictly speaking it only happens when there are no vans available for deployment - and vans pretty much only shuttle people from scenes to custody offices, unless there's free time or an urgent need elsewhere.


"But muh expenses" - Senior Officers everywhere

It will be cheaper than cleaning barf off your rear seats everytime you transport someone who may not be necessarily hostile but has simply had too much to drink. Also think of the resale value of the vehicle. Slip-on vinyl or plastic covers are better for everyone.

That may be a force policy, but it's by no means standard.

Most places won't bother because, as I say, carrying crims in cars is not commonly done.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

It will be cheaper than cleaning barf off your rear seats everytime you transport someone who may not be necessarily hostile but has simply had too much to drink. Also think of the resale value of the vehicle. Slip-on vinyl or plastic covers are better for everyone.

That may be a force policy, but it's by no means standard.

Most places won't bother because, as I say, carrying crims in cars is not commonly done.

Come to think about it, rear stack would probably be even less comfortable and allow for even less dexterity than rear back to back.

[Heavonia]

That may be a force policy, but it's by no means standard.

Most places won't bother because, as I say, carrying crims in cars is not commonly done.

Come to think about it, rear stack would probably be even less comfortable and allow for even less dexterity than rear back to back.

The difference in that regard is negligible - they're not going to easily get out of correctly applied solid-grip cuffs. Back-to-Back off the top of the head is the safest for the detained person.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Do you think a dedicated off-road vehicle like a Defender could share the market with mid-size and full-size pickups?

Same question for commercial-sized vans and pickups - in the US they seem to coexist at the moment (MB Sprinter and F-250/350/450 etc.) however, the E-Series van has been discontinued except for cutaway/cab/cab chassis variants. GM has kept its Savana/Express van but I don't know how well they're doing.

IMO the Sprinter is the most versatile, you can have it the size of a traditional American full-size van, or a van larger than that, it comes in cab chassis, cutaway, you can stick a dropside bed on it and call it a pickup, etc.

However there is something intrinsically cool about a large fat ass American pickup like a F-350, and even about the classic American van.

Also, the demise of the traditional American full-size, RWD, body on frame sedan like the Ford C. Victoria (last similar offering from GM was the Caprice of the 90's) should also be noted. Do you think those could coexist with smaller full-size offerings?

[Costa Fierro]

Do you think a dedicated off-road vehicle like a Defender could share the market with mid-size and full-size pickups?

Considering they're two different vehicles for two different jobs, nope.

[Patridam]

Do you think a dedicated off-road vehicle like a Defender could share the market with mid-size and full-size pickups?

The could coexist at the same time, and indeed many offroaders were and are simply modified bodies plopped on compact/midsize/fullsize pickup chassis.

Same question for commercial-sized vans and pickups - in the US they seem to coexist at the moment (MB Sprinter and F-250/350/450 etc.) however, the E-Series van has been discontinued except for cutaway/cab/cab chassis variants. GM has kept its Savana/Express van but I don't know how well they're doing.

IMO the Sprinter is the most versatile, you can have it the size of a traditional American full-size van, or a van larger than that, it comes in cab chassis, cutaway, you can stick a dropside bed on it and call it a pickup, etc.

However there is something intrinsically cool about a large fat ass American pickup like a F-350, and even about the classic American van.

Traditional US style full size vans are admittedly outmoded in most conceivable ways by Sprinter/Transit type vans, mostly because the US vans were never updated.

But pickup trucks are in a very very different segment than vans. Pickups are used mostly for "dirty" carry items, and towing. And then of course most pickup sales now are for them as vanity vehicles (looking at you, King Ranch crew-cab F150), something the van never really was save the shaggin' wagons of the 70s.

Also, the demise of the traditional American full-size, RWD, body on frame sedan like the Ford C. Victoria (last similar offering from GM was the Caprice of the 90's) should also be noted. Do you think those could coexist with smaller full-size offerings?

Full size BOF sedans can easily exist in a country, although full size unibody cars sold alongside them are redundant for the relatively small market size. Full size sedans have for a while and will be a relatively small portion of the market, but that's okay. The thing that killed the B bodies and Panthers was not a total lack of demand, but a lack of investment, and CAFE standards. If your country doesn't have stringent fuel economy standards/taxes and has reasonable gas prices, sure, BOF RWD sedans could easily last and coexist alongside unibody FWD midsizes and smaller, although another fullsizer alongside them would be redundant.

[The Chinese Peoples]

In ambulances disguised as prison vehicles. This way, nobody could accuse us of prisoner mistreatment.

How does that even work?

How is it not supposed to work?

[Purpelia]

How does that even work?

How is it not supposed to work?

So what you paint an ambulance blue and call it a prison van so that should the prisoner be an idiot and scratch him self up during the trip you have the tools on hand to immediately fix him?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Do you think a dedicated off-road vehicle like a Defender could share the market with mid-size and full-size pickups?

Considering they're two different vehicles for two different jobs, nope.

A Defender isn't much different at all to a 4x4 mid-size pickup. Heck, the Toyota 70 Series, which is like a Defender only not shit, is/was basically a compact or mid-sized pickup truck/SUV.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Do you think a dedicated off-road vehicle like a Defender could share the market with mid-size and full-size pickups?

The could coexist at the same time, and indeed many offroaders were and are simply modified bodies plopped on compact/midsize/fullsize pickup chassis.

Same question for commercial-sized vans and pickups - in the US they seem to coexist at the moment (MB Sprinter and F-250/350/450 etc.) however, the E-Series van has been discontinued except for cutaway/cab/cab chassis variants. GM has kept its Savana/Express van but I don't know how well they're doing.

IMO the Sprinter is the most versatile, you can have it the size of a traditional American full-size van, or a van larger than that, it comes in cab chassis, cutaway, you can stick a dropside bed on it and call it a pickup, etc.

However there is something intrinsically cool about a large fat ass American pickup like a F-350, and even about the classic American van.

Traditional US style full size vans are admittedly outmoded in most conceivable ways by Sprinter/Transit type vans, mostly because the US vans were never updated.

But pickup trucks are in a very very different segment than vans. Pickups are used mostly for "dirty" carry items, and towing. And then of course most pickup sales now are for them as vanity vehicles (looking at you, King Ranch crew-cab F150), something the van never really was save the shaggin' wagons of the 70s.

Also, the demise of the traditional American full-size, RWD, body on frame sedan like the Ford C. Victoria (last similar offering from GM was the Caprice of the 90's) should also be noted. Do you think those could coexist with smaller full-size offerings?

Full size BOF sedans can easily exist in a country, although full size unibody cars sold alongside them are redundant for the relatively small market size. Full size sedans have for a while and will be a relatively small portion of the market, but that's okay. The thing that killed the B bodies and Panthers was not a total lack of demand, but a lack of investment, and CAFE standards. If your country doesn't have stringent fuel economy standards/taxes and has reasonable gas prices, sure, BOF RWD sedans could easily last and coexist alongside unibody FWD midsizes and smaller, although another fullsizer alongside them would be redundant.

Well I think for the time being I'll just copy the US and simply have both :MERICAN: and yuropean vehicles share the same market because I like all of them lol.

Do you think it would also be feasible to have station wagons share the market with SUVs and crossovers as they still do in Europe? I have a hard on for full-size wagons, like this:



because 'MERICA

[The IASM]

ECONOMICS AND INDUSTRY
GDP:
USD: 2,899,940,301,505
GDP per capita:
USD: 13,637
Government budget and percentage of GDP:
USD 617,687,284,221 (21.5% of GDP)

Natural resources

• Iron.
• Coal.
• Cobalt.
• Antimony.
• Corundum (most of it is synthesised).
• Graphite.
• Tungsten.
• Zinc.
• Aluminium.
• Bauxite.
• Gold.
• Lead.
• Magnite.
• Diamonds.
• Mercury.
• Manganese.
• Phosphate rock.
• Tin.
• Uranium
• Thorium.
• Rare earth elements.
• Coffee
• Sugar
• Palm oil
• Rubber
• Tea
• Cotton
• Cocoa
• Quinine
• Cassava (manioc, tapioca)
• Bananas
• Plantains
• Peanuts
• Root crops,
• Corn
• Fruits
• Wood products

Industry:

• Mining and ore processin
• Coal;
• Machine building;
• Armaments
• Textiles and apparel
• Cement
• Chemicals
• Fertilizers;
• Consumer products (including footwear, toys, and electronics) (recent market);
• Food processing;
• Pharmaceuticals

Akai has undergone significant changes since the change in policy in 1985, moving from a state capitalist command economy towards a more market-based, mixed economy. In the Ditoral address of the year 1985, Jieke announced how Akai would be changing economically away from the war economy of the 1970s and early 80s towards a policy of Zhijie (dirigisme). A combination of statist corporatism, indicative planning and economic liberalisation allowed the emergence of economic oligarchs who seized the opportunity of rebuilding their power by capitalising on Akai’s huge natural wealth. However despite the fact that the Akai economy has remained relatively in the control of the Akai state, it has not however been able to avoid the issues posed by its protectionism and has been slowing down considerably since the latter part of the late 2000s. It suffers a high concentration of wealth, in the hands of the unique economic and feudal influenced oligarchical families known as the Jituans who through their pragmatic seizure of economic power has left internal competition weak outside of new emerging markets. Jieke’s Zhije policy however has been edited in recent years by Prince-regent Sanfu in an attempt to cripple the power of the Jituans. Akai still maintains a few state industries, in the hands of the Joint-Economic Bureau under SIA Section 2 such as energy, transportation and has large shares in the defence and banking industries.

Akai’s natural resources are its greatest economic assets, it being home to vast amounts of rare earth elements, coal and other desirable commodities. The large mining industry which formed around it is often the central pillar which supports the power of the Jituans. However Akai's reliance on commodity exports makes it open to dangerous boom and bust cycles that follow the volatile swings in global prices. This threat wants to be addressed by Prince-Regent Sanfu Salong Lazin who seeks to diversify the Akai economy and allow a true to emerge which can be influenced by the Akai state. .

The Akai economy’s growth while at its peak was increasing at a rate of 3% in 2004, has been steadily decreasing and slowly stagnating in 2015 ending up at a growth rate of 0.5% today.

Akai also has a major economic asset in the form of Lazinato whose economic independence has been a great annoyance to the Jituans. They have been a gateway into the economy of Akai thanks to their particularly “Ziyou” approach to the economy which they have maintained since the early 1900s. It is highly reliant on its financial services as well as its particularly developed industry economy. It is economically the most liberal region of Akai by far, and is believed to be the model with Sanfu wishes to eventually implement.

Does this outline make any sense?

[The Chinese Peoples]

How is it not supposed to work?

So what you paint an ambulance blue and call it a prison van so that should the prisoner be an idiot and scratch him self up during the trip you have the tools on hand to immediately fix him?

And the sirens come in handy too.

[Purpelia]

So what you paint an ambulance blue and call it a prison van so that should the prisoner be an idiot and scratch him self up during the trip you have the tools on hand to immediately fix him?

And the sirens come in handy too.

1. Ambulances are expensive. All that modern life saving equipment don't come cheap.
2. Ambulances are equipped to handle far more than what your average idiot prisoner can get up to. At best you need a first aid kit in the car.