Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Type 6

[Eahland]

Guys how will your military commanders react in a situation where the enemy is using human shields?

Kill the enemy. All of them. No quarter. Kill any troops doing such and anyone we can determine was involved in giving the order.

We don't typically do that, for a number of excellent reasons, but using noncombatants as human shields is the kind of thing where it needs to be made entirely clear to anyone thinking of doing it that, a) it doesn't work, and b) trying it will get you murdered, when otherwise you might have gotten to have a nice vacation in an Eahlisc POW camp (and we treat our POWs better than a lot of nations around here seem to treat their own citizens) and be sent home when the war's over. 'Cause if you show them that it works, they'll do it again. And again, and again.

We would attempt to avoid civilian casualties insofar as reasonably practical, but failing that, we'll at least make sure they die swiftly and have one hell of an escort to Wælheall.

Aw.. too bad that my Jane's Armor and Artillery containing it still at home, so i can't show.

Ah now i have it

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The image depict general layout of the loader. Claverham opted for "rack" loader system instead of belt or revolving container found in typical bustle autoloader.

That layout is... interesting. I mean on one hand it just looks that much simpler and space efficient than a MBT-70 style belt autoloader. And it looks much more like something I could justify having say in the late 60's and early 70's??? And on the other it really only has at the very best the capability to select between 4 different types of rounds...

So yeah... What are your opinions people? I am all ears.

That's how my Bradsweordes autoloader is set up, except the Bradsweord has three tiers of six and six, for a total of 36 rounds, six of which are immediately accessible. It can put rounds back into the racks, too, so it's theoretically possible, if you've got empty slots, to shuffle rounds between racks to get at ones further back, but this is time-consuming and seldom a good idea in practice. That feature's for rearranging your loadout during downtime; in combat you're probably better off just shooting the rounds ahead of the one you really want at something. Or for reloading, though if you're doing more than a few rounds it's faster to open the blowout panels and just shove 'em directly into the racks from the back.

The Bradsweord's all computerized; it electronically interrogates each round and tracks what's in which slot, and presents the gunner with an easy-to-read diagram to select rounds from.

I'm not certain I understand.
I'm very bad with verbal explanation :/

Sorry then.

Hmm maybe i should make a short animation on how those autoloader works.

Hmm. Maybe I should do that for the Bradsweordes autoloader. I've got half the modeling for it done already.

[Britinthia]

What do you mean by that?

I believe that Britinthia is asking if it would make more sense to have a smaller infantry force with a larger number of armoured personnel carriers permanently attached to the unit, or a larger infantry force where a smaller number armoured personnel carriers would be dispatched to a unit on a case by case basis. In the first example, all units would have armoured personnel carriers at all times. In the second, only units participating in battles or preparing for battle would have armoured personnel carriers dispatched to aid them while other units out of battle would make do with transport trucks or marching.

This is sort of what I meant yeah. Lets ignore light infantry for a moment, because they are a seperate entity in my army and just focus on mounted infantry who use APCs.
Lets say I have 10 battalions who all operate tracked APCs. Obviously this is great for keeping pace with my tanks but not so good for peacekeeping, where a lighter wheeled vehicle would be perfect. Obviously I dont want to have to operate 5 more battalions on top of that. Nor can I afford to lose any units I already operate. So if I have 5 battalions worth of wheeled APCs, along with crews, in reserve who can be assigned to units as required, this would work okay?

Basically it comes down to whether there is any massive difference between operating out of a tracked or wheeled APC and if it would require extensive retraining each time they swapped vehicles.

[Tadmur Meydan]

One of the most important vehicles in the inventory of the National Tadmur Meydani Army is the Ural-4320 transport truck. While not a combat vehicle, it is widely used to move troops to the battlefield and keep them supplied. Now, with the civil war over, many of these trucks are also being used to transport whatever food and water can be found to the starving citizens in the eastern half of the nation. Other important vehicles in service include the T-55AM and T-72M1 main battle tanks, the BTR-60PB armoured personnel carrier, and BMP-1 infantry fighting vehicle. Many of these combat vehicles were destroyed during the civil war but with the nation severely damaged it is unlikely they will be replaced soon due to cost. Almost all vehicles in service with the NTMA are painted in a single Khaki colour, though some vehicles of elite units are painted with a grey desert MERDC scheme.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

One of the most important vehicles in the inventory of the National Tadmur Meydani Army is the Ural-4320 transport truck. While not a combat vehicle, it is widely used to move troops to the battlefield and keep them supplied. Now, with the civil war over, many of these trucks are also being used to transport whatever food and water can be found to the starving citizens in the eastern half of the nation. Other important vehicles in service include the T-55AM and T-72M1 main battle tanks, the BTR-60PB armoured personnel carrier, and BMP-1 infantry fighting vehicle. Many of these combat vehicles were destroyed during the civil war but with the nation severely damaged it is unlikely they will be replaced soon due to cost. Almost all vehicles in service with the NTMA are painted in a single Khaki colour, though some vehicles of elite units are painted with a grey desert MERDC scheme.

I'd strongly recommend BMP-2's instead of -1's ...

[Imperializt Russia]

Worst post.

Matilda II = best tank.

It's adorable and British, what more could you want?

[Purpelia]

Weird.. i wonder why Illumination rounds has to be there ? Isn't it job for artillery ?

Some times your tank has to be the one supporting infantry and artillery has other stuff to do.

and load depend on mission, i don't see why you should carry all of them at once. Even with belt autoloader your ammunition "carry ratio" will be limited and you still won't carry entire stuff in numbers.

Well ideally speaking, if we take a step back here I'd carry specialist rounds in hull stowage. My reply was thus not so much autoloader related as it was related to noting a tank has other things to shoot than HE and darts.

Furthermore i don't see size being issue except the autoloader maker is somewhat ignorant of his design requirement or size of munitions his autoloader is expected to carry. Instead the munitions maker will have to improvise to achieve required performance within the constraints of the autoloader size.

I really just don't follow.

[Kouralia]

Matilda II = best tank.

It's adorable and British, what more could you want?

This:

[Crookfur]

I believe that Britinthia is asking if it would make more sense to have a smaller infantry force with a larger number of armoured personnel carriers permanently attached to the unit, or a larger infantry force where a smaller number armoured personnel carriers would be dispatched to a unit on a case by case basis. In the first example, all units would have armoured personnel carriers at all times. In the second, only units participating in battles or preparing for battle would have armoured personnel carriers dispatched to aid them while other units out of battle would make do with transport trucks or marching.

This is sort of what I meant yeah. Lets ignore light infantry for a moment, because they are a seperate entity in my army and just focus on mounted infantry who use APCs.
Lets say I have 10 battalions who all operate tracked APCs. Obviously this is great for keeping pace with my tanks but not so good for peacekeeping, where a lighter wheeled vehicle would be perfect. Obviously I dont want to have to operate 5 more battalions on top of that. Nor can I afford to lose any units I already operate. So if I have 5 battalions worth of wheeled APCs, along with crews, in reserve who can be assigned to units as required, this would work okay?

Basically it comes down to whether there is any massive difference between operating out of a tracked or wheeled APC and if it would require extensive retraining each time they swapped vehicles.

Yeah keep them all as fully mechanised with tracks and keep a pool of MRAPy/wheeled death truck things for theatres/deployments that might need them. No need to keep seperate trained crews (well other than maybe a few REME style fitter types), it doesn't take long to comvert from using oen armoured vehcile to another these days and units should be doing a couple of months of predeployment work ups before going somewhere that isn't a sudden rapid reaction situation (in which case the troops go with what they have i.e. the tracks). Although saying that you could cycle your battalions through a posting as the duty "light" battlions so they all have a reasonable familiarity with using those vehciels and you have a couple fo battalions ready to respond.

on the subjet of fitters that i brought up before i would imagine that when a battalion cycles/is assigned to the lighter vehciles they simply swap out thier fitter detachments.

[Purpelia]

It's adorable and British, what more could you want?

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There is something to be said about sisters.

[Sharko Federation]

It's adorable and British, what more could you want?

This:

There is something to be said about sisters.

This....

[Pharthan]

I think she's finished. Need a name for her. Most of my names are Renaissance and prior history based. I have a version loaded out with modular reactive armor along the tracks and turret, replacing the Stinger launchers.

Length: 26ft (Hull), 34 ft (Barrel Forward)
Width: 8ft
Height: 10ft
Weight: 72 tons
Crew: 3 (Driver, Gunner, Commander)
Road Speed: 40mph
Offroad Speed: 25mph
Ground Clearance: 1.9ft
Engine: Asimov-Halcyon Liquid Cooled V-12 Twin-Diesel Engine, 1,550hp
Operational Range: 360 mi
Suspension: Torsion Bar
Transmission: Asimov-HV1A

Armament:
120mm Smoothbore Cannon
.50-caliber Coaxial Gun
.50-caliber Dagger Remote Operated Automated Defensive System
.50-caliber Gun Mount
(2) Dual-Anti-Air Missile Pods

Defensive:
-2 IRONCLAD Automated Defensive Systems
-1 Short Ran
Fully NCBR Sealed, EMP Hardened

Armor:
(WIP)

[Sharko Federation]

I think she's finished. Need a name for her. Most of my names are Renaissance and prior history based. I have a version loaded out with modular reactive armor along the tracks and turret, replacing the Stinger launchers.
(Image)Cewl, But I suggest your name ends with WAGEN cuz all stuff with WAGEN is good, like my Kangaroopfswagen!

Length: 26ft (Hull), 34 ft (Barrel Forward)
Width: 8ft
Height: 10ft
Weight: 72 tons
Crew: 3 (Driver, Gunner, Commander)
Road Speed: 40mph
Offroad Speed: 25mph
Ground Clearance: 1.9ft
Engine: Asimov-Halcyon Liquid Cooled V-12 Twin-Diesel Engine, 1,550hp
Operational Range: 360 mi
Suspension: Torsion Bar
Transmission: Asimov-HV1A

Armament:
120mm Smoothbore Cannon
.50-caliber Coaxial Gun
.50-caliber Dagger Remote Operated Automated Defensive System
.50-caliber Gun Mount
(2) Dual-Anti-Air Missile Pods

Defensive:
-2 IRONCLAD Automated Defensive Systems
-1 Short Ran
Fully NCBR Sealed, EMP Hardened

Armor:
(WIP)

[New Vihenia]

Some times your tank has to be the one supporting infantry and artillery has other stuff to do.

yeah sure, but illumination hmmm since tank lacks gun elevation.

Well ideally speaking, if we take a step back here I'd carry specialist rounds in hull stowage. My reply was thus not so much autoloader related as it was related to noting a tank has other things to shoot than HE and darts.

Ah i think i get what you mean, One cannot "half load" the rack because the "special shell" May not be able to be loaded to the gun with other shell getting in its way. If one have so many types of round, then yes this will be a problem.

Nonetheless, this can be handled partially by locating the shell in favorable position. OR If height permit Add another stack, Then one may have 6 types of munitions loaded all together.

[Mitheldalond]

I think she's finished. Need a name for her. Most of my names are Renaissance and prior history based. I have a version loaded out with modular reactive armor along the tracks and turret, replacing the Stinger launchers.
(Image)

Length: 26ft (Hull), 34 ft (Barrel Forward)
Width: 8ft
Height: 10ft
Weight: 72 tons
Crew: 3 (Driver, Gunner, Commander)
Road Speed: 40mph
Offroad Speed: 25mph
Ground Clearance: 1.9ft
Engine: Asimov-Halcyon Liquid Cooled V-12 Twin-Diesel Engine, 1,550hp
Operational Range: 360 mi
Suspension: Torsion Bar
Transmission: Asimov-HV1A

Armament:
120mm Smoothbore Cannon
.50-caliber Coaxial Gun
.50-caliber Dagger Remote Operated Automated Defensive System
.50-caliber Gun Mount
(2) Dual-Anti-Air Missile Pods

Defensive:
-2 IRONCLAD Automated Defensive Systems
-1 Short Ran
Fully NCBR Sealed, EMP Hardened

Armor:
(WIP)

8 feet wide, and 10 feet tall? It's going to fall over if it takes a sharp turn, and don't even think about trying to fire the gun sideways. Nice picture though.

[Purpelia]

yeah sure, but illumination hmmm since tank lacks gun elevation.

Illumination rounds are filled with phosphorous. They should make decent incendiaries.

Ah i think i get what you mean, One cannot "half load" the rack because the "special shell" May not be able to be loaded to the gun with other shell getting in its way. If one have so many types of round, then yes this will be a problem.

That's one part of the problem. The other is that your selection of ratios is limited. Say you have 4 racks (2 per side) and 2 types of rounds. That limits you to either a 1:1, 1:2 or 1:3 ratio between them. Where as with a conveyor you can have any ratio you want.

[Rich and Corporations]

yeah sure, but illumination hmmm since tank lacks gun elevation.

Illumination rounds are filled with phosphorous. They should make decent incendiaries.

they also double as smoke right?

[Purpelia]

Illumination rounds are filled with phosphorous. They should make decent incendiaries.

they also double as smoke right?

No idea. Really, no idea. I just figured I could throw WP at some children.

[Oaledonia]

they also double as smoke right?

No idea. Really, no idea. I just figured I could throw WP at some children.

That'll teach them to play a game of stone the Israeli tank

[The Grey Wolf]

No idea. Really, no idea. I just figured I could throw WP at some children.

That'll teach them to play a game of stone the Israeli tank

That's a clever way to teach them [Anti-Semitic joke removed].

[Mitheldalond]

Illumination rounds are filled with phosphorous. They should make decent incendiaries.

they also double as smoke right?

That seems counterproductive. Let's light up this area so I can see, then obscure everything by covering the area with smoke.

[Purpelia]

they also double as smoke right?

That seems counterproductive. Let's light up this area so I can see, then obscure everything by covering the area with smoke.

Not really. It's actually a decent one-two assault support plan. First you burn the poor sods alive and than the fire creates smoke which covers your men as they approach to bayonet what ever filthy foreigner is still alive.

[Deus Mercenary Leadership]

There is a competition between the leopard II and the LeClerc for me
the a1 Abrahams and merkava is nice too

[Deus Mercenary Leadership]

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I don't own this beautiful picture of awesomeness, please feel free to look and marvel at its awesomeness.

[Mitheldalond]

There is a competition between the leopard II and the LeClerc for me

Design a compromise between the two. Integrate the parts you like from each tank into a single platform, and you'll be well on your way to designing your own tank.

[Deus Mercenary Leadership]

There is a competition between the leopard II and the LeClerc for me

Design a compromise between the two. Integrate the parts you like from each tank into a single platform, and you'll be well on your way to designing your own tank.

You're a genius