NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #5

[Aethal]

Oh yeah yeah, I know all about them, I just find that desire of yours to be odd.

Kinda funny, though.

I just really want to commit my usual atrocities on brightly coloured horses. . .

. . . Stop judging me.

Beat ye' to it! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! As shown in the link: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=ulfr-reich/detail=factbook/id=74011

[Questers]

this is such a :randc: moment

Sumer: you need to list protection against guns.
RandC: no! it changes at range/type!
Sumer: I know that is a part of it
RandC: you didnt know that!

[The Republic of Lanos]

this is such a :randc: moment

Sumer: you need to list protection against guns.
RandC: no! it changes at range/type!
Sumer: I know that is a part of it
RandC: you didnt know that!

Where is this inanity happening?

[Questers]

the previous page

[Gallia-]

most fearsome questerian terror weapon

[Kouralia]

Wut.

There are these nations. Instead of people, they have the sapient horse things as a population. I think it's based on some internet thing or a television show, but admittedly I don't know that much.

hey, hey, hey.

You could try fighting Kouralia. Come to Kouralia to genocide ponies, it'll be fun*.

* = This disclaimer of 'fun' makes no allowance for the effect of Kouralia and or any other FanT, PMT or FT regional powers on your nation's military.

[Rich and Corporations]

not really
you're implying that one could say a vehicle is protection against 155mm CE and 120mm KE
I'm saying you need to list graphs for every possible CE and KE formulation at various distances to properly represent probablity of kill.

And, there are many metrics of protection. Sometimes only half of the mass of a KE projectile only needs to penetrate.

No, we are saying the same thing. I'm just saying distance is a non-issue for comparative trials. Your comparisons should, ideally, maintain the same distances and therefore be equal in that regard.

My attempt to simplify it may have caused you to think I meant all KE or CE are the same, but you know that is not the case, and that I was speaking of specific round characteristics per munition. I thought that was obvious but it may not have been. We are still saying the same thing, except I have taken range out of the picture as I expect it to be irrelevant to such a comparison.

no
I'm saying a gold CE projectile is different then a zinc CE projectile
you miss my point entirely
you fail to grasp the essence of my brilliance

[Imperializt Russia]

Edit: So it is clear, according to the Serbian Officer who commanded the battery responsible for the shoot-down, he did *not* rely on visual or infrared detection. Engagement was persecuted entirely with radar.

A skeptic might argue that he has a vested interest in claiming that, because it either makes stealth look worthless, or makes his equipment modifications look highly impressive.

200 UGVs by themselves? Yeah that's a pointless waste of resources.

200 UGVs supported by the rest of his army may get him somewhere...

Apparently, they're supported by his navy, which will strike any positions that the UGVs can't deal with.

In other words, all of them.

[Vitaphone Racing]

I can't tell if this is serious or just...

The Yugoslavia story is a bit complicated, both because NATO had its hands tied by politics and because the Serbs got extremely clever.

1. Because of airspace limitations NATO was flying strikes repeatedly along the same routes.
2. Because of Italian politics NATO was operating most of its sorties out of one airbase. The Serbs had spotters on the ground in Italy reporting when aircraft took off.
3. The Serbs had a long-range VHF radar station in Montenegro that NATO could not attack, again for political reasons.
4. The level of education among the Serbian air defense officers was quite high, and knowing about the F-117 they made (unknown) modifications to their radars to improve performance.
5. The Serbs hyperactive relocation kept NATO from figuring out where the batteries were in a timely manner, so the F-117 could not be routed around it.
6. The F-117 had no RWR, so the Pilot would have had no idea he was under attack until he spotted the missile visually.

It took a perfect storm of NATO blunders and Serb successes for the shoot down to occur.

Edit: So it is clear, according to the Serbian Officer who commanded the battery responsible for the shoot-down, he did *not* rely on visual or infrared detection. Engagement was persecuted entirely with radar.

Even more complicated is how they became best friends after it happened.

[Aqizithiuda]

No, we are saying the same thing. I'm just saying distance is a non-issue for comparative trials. Your comparisons should, ideally, maintain the same distances and therefore be equal in that regard.

My attempt to simplify it may have caused you to think I meant all KE or CE are the same, but you know that is not the case, and that I was speaking of specific round characteristics per munition. I thought that was obvious but it may not have been. We are still saying the same thing, except I have taken range out of the picture as I expect it to be irrelevant to such a comparison.

no
I'm saying a gold CE projectile is different then a zinc CE projectile
you miss my point entirely
you fail to grasp the essence of my brilliance

What did Sumer say that implied he thought gold and zinc CE performed the same?

[Krazakistan]

(Image)

Guess which one's the Slav.

[Triplebaconation]

My slavdar (sorry, SLAVDAR) isn't fooled by trick questions. Both!

[Parhe]

Hi. Um, never posted in one of these before. I hope it is okay for me to post a question without reading through everything(though I have read the OP of this thread). I've been working on my nation statistically for a year or two, trying to make everything realistic, and now reached the part of the military. My greatest knowledge, which still isn't much, is that of South Korea, which my nation originally was largely based off of. Then I realize South Korea was sort of in a special situation so I had to lower it. Well, no one exactly forced me to but I felt that, to be realistic, I should. Anyway, currently my military active is about 1.03% of the total population while total is 3.47% (1.35% of which being paramilitary as South Korea also has a large paramilitary, which I believe to have meant their conscripts though I am not certain on that so it would be nice to know), compared to South Korea's 1.37% and 10.36% respectively. Spending currently is 139K per non-reserve troop and 321K for active troop.

On top of that I was also bringing along the idea of mandatory military service of two years for citizens, except for both sexes, beginning between the ages of 20 and 25 (compared to 18-35 for South Korea). Similarly, individuals are afterwards open to wartime conscription until the age of 35 years, compared to 45 for South Korea. These would include having to attend short "training" one weekend every month, provided they are in healthy state. I was wondering if they would be considered reservist, paramilitary, or not be counted towards any of the military numbers? Also, as mentioned above, I was wondering under what category the people conscripted for their two year service would go, since if they went under active that might push the percentage higher. As of now I am planning for paramilitary to include armed border guards, certain security forces, and militarized police forces.

[San-Silvacian]

The Yugoslavia story is a bit complicated, both because NATO had its hands tied by politics and because the Serbs got extremely clever.

1. Because of airspace limitations NATO was flying strikes repeatedly along the same routes.
2. Because of Italian politics NATO was operating most of its sorties out of one airbase. The Serbs had spotters on the ground in Italy reporting when aircraft took off.
3. The Serbs had a long-range VHF radar station in Montenegro that NATO could not attack, again for political reasons.
4. The level of education among the Serbian air defense officers was quite high, and knowing about the F-117 they made (unknown) modifications to their radars to improve performance.
5. The Serbs hyperactive relocation kept NATO from figuring out where the batteries were in a timely manner, so the F-117 could not be routed around it.
6. The F-117 had no RWR, so the Pilot would have had no idea he was under attack until he spotted the missile visually.

It took a perfect storm of NATO blunders and Serb successes for the shoot down to occur.

Edit: So it is clear, according to the Serbian Officer who commanded the battery responsible for the shoot-down, he did *not* rely on visual or infrared detection. Engagement was persecuted entirely with radar.

Even more complicated is how they became best friends after it happened.

Friendship in kebab removal.

[Lubyak]

I know this isn't really related to Military Realism, but. . .

Is it normal that I have this perverse desire to war with one of those nations with the sapient horses? Ponyists, I think they call themselves.

Hi there,
I'm one of the players who run one of the big pony RP groups on NS, CoPS. In all honesty, we've had lots of people who just showed up and declared that they wanted to genocide the sentient pony population. 90% of this was because the player OOC dislike the whole brony/MLP fandom thing, and decided to turn it into IC policy, as you wont.

If you want to fight a war with one (I'd be game for one), feel free to post in our OOC thread (linked below in my sig), and we can put together an RP with you or something.

Cheers,
Lubyak

[The Kievan People]

A skeptic might argue that he has a vested interest in claiming that, because it either makes stealth look worthless, or makes his equipment modifications look highly impressive.

The fact that it happened after sunset lends credibility to his story.

[Lubyak]

I just really want to commit my usual atrocities on brightly coloured horses. . .

. . . Stop judging me.

Beat ye' to it! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! As shown in the link: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=ulfr-reich/detail=factbook/id=74011

As have many, many, many other players. In all honesty, there is a reason none of the Pony RPers RP with people who just want to go, "Ahaha, ponies are stupid, Ima kill them all."

[Purpelia]

Beat ye' to it! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! As shown in the link: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=ulfr-reich/detail=factbook/id=74011

As have many, many, many other players. In all honesty, there is a reason none of the Pony RPers RP with people who just want to go, "Ahaha, ponies are stupid, Ima kill them all."

Are you a MLP fan too?

[Lubyak]

As have many, many, many other players. In all honesty, there is a reason none of the Pony RPers RP with people who just want to go, "Ahaha, ponies are stupid, Ima kill them all."

Are you a MLP fan too?

I'm going with a tenative yes.

[Purpelia]

Are you a MLP fan too?

I'm going with a tenative yes.

And thus I smile.

[Tule]

I don't get it.

On one hand I think the MLP fandom is very weird. Why do so many people, especially grown up men, like it?

I've seen some of the shows because my little sister watches them sometimes. They're OK for a kids show. That's it. The plots are simple and send a good message. So what?

On the other hand I wonder: Am I missing out on something?

I'm freaked out and curious at the same time.

[Kouralia]

I just really want to commit my usual atrocities on brightly coloured horses. . .

. . . Stop judging me.

Beat ye' to it! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! As shown in the link: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=ulfr-reich/detail=factbook/id=74011

Congratulations, you didn't RP out a major event and hold it as equal to someone wanting to RP out a war between themselves and another nation-state.

Obviously Kourian troops superior to Lubyakan troops. #Monarchy

[Lubyak]

Beat ye' to it! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! As shown in the link: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=ulfr-reich/detail=factbook/id=74011

Congratulations, you didn't RP out a major event and hold it as equal to someone wanting to RP out a war between themselves and another nation-state.

Obviously Kourian troops superior to Lubyakan troops. #Monarchy

Glorious Lubyakan Grenadiers fight alongside Kour Guards. Combine for greater glory.

[Kouralia]

Congratulations, you didn't RP out a major event and hold it as equal to someone wanting to RP out a war between themselves and another nation-state.

Obviously Kourian troops superior to Lubyakan troops. #Monarchy

Glorious Lubyakan Grenadiers fight alongside Kour Guards. Combine for greater glory.

Or Kouralian Silverfin Guards fight alongside Lubyakan Naval peeps.

[Lubyak]

Glorious Lubyakan Grenadiers fight alongside Kour Guards. Combine for greater glory.

Or Kouralian Silverfin Guards fight alongside Lubyakan Naval peeps.

ZA LUBYAKA and FOR QUEEN AND COUNTRY will unite and crush all commie scum.