Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

But, were should i put it? xD I can't find space

Maybe move that dome radar on the bridge back a few feet and put it there? Should give good coverage for the traverse limits on the gun

[Stasnov]

But, were should i put it? xD I can't find space

Maybe move that dome radar on the bridge back a few feet and put it there? Should give good coverage for the traverse limits on the gun

Yeah, that's what i thought too

[Imperial Cirasthayi]

You could do both, depending on how good your railguns are. If you can do a rapid-fire accurate railgun (this is probably a PMT thing given current power reqs and recoil), then you can CIWS. Otherwise it's a main turret weapon for very long range artillery support.

Incidentally, a railgun is not a line of sight weapon. The projectile moves very fast, but it is nevertheless a projectile and is affected by gravity. Given appropriate launch velocity and range, it is absolutely possible to perform over-the-horizon strikes, and that's the intended purpose of the railguns in development by the US Navy today.

What recoil?! A railgun is built to lower recoil, not raise it. People tend to think that the more powerful the gun, the more the recoil is, but recently, with the advent of electro-magnetic propulsion leading to the coil-gun and the rail-gun, people forget why recoil exists in the first place. Recoil is what happens when that explosion inside your gun that ignites the gun-powder to propel your bullet also presses against you. Initially we just made a stock to take the recoil, but nowadays we have intense spring and low-recoil designs meant to neutralize it. The same goes for Naval guns and here's the thing, railguns are only so lovely because they lower the chance of needing to compensate for recoil. How? By simply using electricity to propel the round forward, not gunpowder. Electricity does the work, and now you don't have a kilogram of explosives detonating in the barrel so you can focus on important things.

Something else people forget, you can slow down how fast a round is going. Right now we're simply using the highest power settings because that's what we know very well, but we could just as well turn down the power supplied to the rail-gun. This in return would allow the round to be travelling slower, and if we were using something other than a kinetic round- say, a High Explosive anti-ship shell, then you could really do some damage by factoring in the distance of your enemy and seeing if the shell has the muzzle velocity resistance (because some shells aren't really built for leaving a gun going just over Mach 8.5), so you could instead have them leaving the barrel at the same speed as- say- a low-velocity artillery shell at 700 m/s or so.

Calm down, seriously.
I said addressing the recoil/shock/whatever of a railgun is something that has not yet been fully addressed quite well enough to allow for a weapon that fires as fast as a modern CIWS gatling gun. This is an issue if you want to use the weapon as a CIWS. Maybe your nation has better railguns. Maybe they have worse railguns. That's why I said it depends.

You might also note I said "given appropriate launch velocity", because I do actually know how railguns work. However, one of the main benefits of a railgun is its high projectile velocity, because it increases range. I said exactly what you are saying - a railgun is not a line-of-sight weapon because you can lower the velocity or simply fire at a target further away to account for the shallower arc (or just point it straight up and hope the target doesn't move while you're waiting for the projectile to return from the fringe of space).

[The Soodean Imperium]

Guys, can somebody help me with this ship? http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/RedTe ... a.png.html

I made it (for the most part) by using radars and stuff from ships i found on shipbucket. So yeah, i don't know the names of the radars

Also, what would be the displacement of a ship that size?

As an additional note, you will need to rethink the placement of that P-700. It's almost twice the diameter of the Klub series, though incidentally it's less than a meter longer than the 2-stage 3M54 with booster. At first glance, this would seem to offer the opportunity of "quad-packing" Klubs into a P-700 cell, but this is not the case either; P-700 is "cold-launched" by a mechanism inside the ship, and its interior launch tubes are actually mounted at a ~40 degree angle rather than being properly vertical. Which, incidentally, means you can't have them in the stern here as they'd overlap with the hangar internals.

If I were you, I'd toss the P-800s, put the P-700s in the forward set of cells, and use the aft set of cells for the Klubs.

[Urran]

I have brilliant idea, a corevette armed with only CWIS!

[The Soodean Imperium]

I have brilliant idea, a corevette armed with only CWIS!

I don't think CIWS works the way you think it does...

Although, patrol boats with 30mm CIWS fore and aft made up most of the USSR's border-patrol force, though that was more a matter of self-defense and limited anti-surface capability than "shoot down storms of missiles."

[Imperial Cirasthayi]

I have brilliant idea, a corevette armed with only CWIS!

I don't think CIWS works the way you think it does...

Although, patrol boats with 30mm CIWS fore and aft made up most of the USSR's border-patrol force, though that was more a matter of self-defense and limited anti-surface capability than "shoot down storms of missiles."

Make a mess out of any suicide smallboats if you set up the targeting right though.

[Urran]

I have brilliant idea, a corevette armed with only CWIS!

I don't think CIWS works the way you think it does...

Although, patrol boats with 30mm CIWS fore and aft made up most of the USSR's border-patrol force, though that was more a matter of self-defense and limited anti-surface capability than "shoot down storms of missiles."

No, it does, I'm just insane

[Stasnov]

Guys, can somebody help me with this ship? http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/RedTe ... a.png.html

I made it (for the most part) by using radars and stuff from ships i found on shipbucket. So yeah, i don't know the names of the radars

Also, what would be the displacement of a ship that size?

As an additional note, you will need to rethink the placement of that P-700. It's almost twice the diameter of the Klub series, though incidentally it's less than a meter longer than the 2-stage 3M54 with booster. At first glance, this would seem to offer the opportunity of "quad-packing" Klubs into a P-700 cell, but this is not the case either; P-700 is "cold-launched" by a mechanism inside the ship, and its interior launch tubes are actually mounted at a ~40 degree angle rather than being properly vertical. Which, incidentally, means you can't have them in the stern here as they'd overlap with the hangar internals.

If I were you, I'd toss the P-800s, put the P-700s in the forward set of cells, and use the aft set of cells for the Klubs.

Thanks for the info mate, i'll do that

[Gallan Systems]

I have brilliant idea, a corevette armed with only CWIS!

I don't think CIWS works the way you think it does...

Although, patrol boats with 30mm CIWS fore and aft made up most of the USSR's border-patrol force, though that was more a matter of self-defense and limited anti-surface capability than "shoot down storms of missiles."

Clearly you don't play "WRD".

[The Soodean Imperium]

I don't think CIWS works the way you think it does...

Although, patrol boats with 30mm CIWS fore and aft made up most of the USSR's border-patrol force, though that was more a matter of self-defense and limited anti-surface capability than "shoot down storms of missiles."

Clearly you don't play "WRD".

I used to.

Please don't remind me of that naval combat ;-;

[The Akasha Colony]

Battleship armor, anyone?



Red indicates an armored bulkhead, belt, deck, or other structural member reinforced beyond basic load bearing requirements. Additional unarmored subdivisions will probably be added later, in black. Beam is 36.5 m above water and 38 m with underwater bulges, with a freeboard of 7 m and a draft of 11.3 m.

Main belt thickness may increase once the lineart is done, since 410 mm is presuming a 190 m armored belt on a 295.5 m (at the waterline) ship, longer than usual. The torpedo defense system might also be reduced depending on the needs of the machinery (which is turbo-electric). Due to the scale, any thickness below 150 mm is represented as a single pixel. Layout is mostly inspired by the Montana-class, including the return to the external armored belt.

[New Frenco Empire]

FTL space carrier for delivering blue water fleets to other planets.

y/y?

[EsToVnIa]

FTL space carrier for delivering blue water fleets to other planets.

y/y?

No.

Your exo-atmospheric fleet should be capable of sub-orbit operations

if needed, you should have a few subs for hunting down xeno underwater bases

[Newne Thernania]

we have two huge aircraft carriers that we built and modernized in te 90s.
http://static1.businessinsider.com/imag ... temmis.jpg

[New Frenco Empire]

FTL space carrier for delivering blue water fleets to other planets.

y/y?

No.

Your exo-atmospheric fleet should be capable of sub-orbit operations

if needed, you should have a few subs for hunting down xeno underwater bases

This would be built around the justification that the space fleet is too valuable (early FT, after all) to keep around for peacekeeping or sustained operations in situations where orbital dominance is achieved. Hence, it's done the "old fashioned" way.

Sounds fine to me, but is it worth it even with that argument factored in?

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

We have a bunch of spaceships. They are mostly for defending our space stations. Ocean navies are so 2020.

[Spirit of Hope]

No.

Your exo-atmospheric fleet should be capable of sub-orbit operations

if needed, you should have a few subs for hunting down xeno underwater bases

This would be built around the justification that the space fleet is too valuable (early FT, after all) to keep around for peacekeeping or sustained operations in situations where orbital dominance is achieved. Hence, it's done the "old fashioned" way.

Sounds fine to me, but is it worth it even with that argument factored in?

If your fleets are so expensive that they can't keep them around to hold a planet why is it cost effective to make a ship to carry water based ships to a planet?

You would probably be better off to just to drop off some ground forces and satellite support, possibly including a rods from god system. When you do take the planet reduce any enemy military bases or ships at that time from orbit.

[The Akasha Colony]

This would be built around the justification that the space fleet is too valuable (early FT, after all) to keep around for peacekeeping or sustained operations in situations where orbital dominance is achieved. Hence, it's done the "old fashioned" way.

Sounds fine to me, but is it worth it even with that argument factored in?

Probably not, given that now you have to build even more expensive spaceships to move your oceangoing ships. If cost is what you're worried about, then just make some cheaper spaceships designed around orbital/suborbital support, or a deployable satellite constellation. They will still be more useful and flexible than surface vessels (for one, their sensors will not be limited by the horizon as they would be on the surface), while not being as expensive as the rest of your ships.

[New Frenco Empire]

Ocean navies are so 2020.

You obviously aren't reading my latest inquiry.

@everyone else

Point taken. I might keep something around for submarines, though. They'll still be handy.

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

Ocean navies are so 2020.

You obviously aren't reading my latest inquiry.

@everyone else

Point taken. I might keep something around for submarines, though. They'll still be handy.

I'm pretty sure that by the time you colonize your solar system, oceans will just been seen as huge containers for life support. Shipping will be outdated by faster orbital systems, or at least complicated with all the water extractors, so submarines are useless, mostly. But oceans should still be defended, because they give water, oxygen, and hydrogen to off-world colonies.

[New Frenco Empire]

You obviously aren't reading my latest inquiry.

@everyone else

Point taken. I might keep something around for submarines, though. They'll still be handy.

I'm pretty sure that by the time you colonize your solar system, oceans will just been seen as huge containers for life support. Shipping will be outdated by faster orbital systems, or at least complicated with all the water extractors, so submarines are useless, mostly. But oceans should still be defended, because they give water, oxygen, and hydrogen to off-world colonies.

Ocean worlds, friend.

FTL space carrier for delivering blue water fleets to other planets.

y/y?

No.

Your exo-atmospheric fleet should be capable of sub-orbit operations

if needed, you should have a few subs for hunting down xeno underwater bases

[Gallan Systems]

Airplanes obsoleted container ships, so clearly starships will obsolete them too.

[New Frenco Empire]

Airplanes obsoleted container ships, so clearly starships will obsolete them too.

This too.

[The New Lowlands]

I'm pretty sure that by the time you colonize your solar system, oceans will just been seen as huge containers for life support. Shipping will be outdated by faster orbital systems, or at least complicated with all the water extractors, so submarines are useless, mostly. But oceans should still be defended, because they give water, oxygen, and hydrogen to off-world colonies.

Ocean worlds, friend.

can't you just blow it all up from orbit?