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What are mechas like in your nation?

Postby Ikigain » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:29 am

Are there mechas(giant robots) in your nation? Who can own one? What are they used for?


Mechas are used in Ikigain. They are reserved for the police and the military though.

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Postby Xekliv » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:54 am

Yes, but we call them mechs or walkers instead of 'mecha' (because anime sucks). They're used for warfare purposes and only the legion can legally own mechs in the empire.

Here's a list of Xekliv's main battle mechs
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Designation: Mk II LM-207 Imp combat walker / light reconnaissance mech
Manufacturer: SAW Indstries
Cost: 3,000,000.00 ISK
Weight: 20 tons
Crew: 1 (Driver-Gunner)
Height: 4 meters
Armour: 4'' Odysteel Plates
Armament: 2x 35mm Twin Autocannon
Suspension: Hydraulic feet
Range: 550 km
Max Speed: 35 mph

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Designation: Mk II MM-332 Goblin combat walker / long range anti-vehicle and aircraft mech
Manufacturer: SAW Indstries
Cost: 9,000,000.00 ISK
Weight: 30 tons
Crew: 1 (Driver-Gunner)
Height: 4 meters
Armour: 4'' Odysteel Plates
Armament: 1x Twin Flak Cannon, 2x 35mm Twin Autocannon
Suspension: Hydraulic feet
Range: 700 km
Max Speed: 25 mph

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Designation: Mk III MM-308 Orc combat walker
Manufacturer: SAW Indstries
Cost: 6,000,000.00 ISK
Weight: 30 tons
Crew: 1 (Driver-Gunner)
Height: 5 meters
Armour: 4'' Xenocronium Steel Plates
Armament: 2x .50 cal Tornado rotary cannon
Suspension: Hydraulic feet
Range: 400 km
Max Speed: 25 mph

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Designation: Mk VI SH-700 Ogre superheavy combat walker
Manufacturer: SAW Indstries
Cost: 11,000,000.00 ISK
Weight: 70 tons
Crew: 1 (Driver-Gunner)
Height: 10 meters
Armour: 8'' Xenocronium Steel Plates
Armament: 2x Heavy Melta Cannons, 2x Mortar Launchers, 4x Light-Halberd beams
Suspension: Hydraulic feet
Range: 400 km
Max Speed: 20 mph
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Postby Novus Niciae » Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:06 am

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Here is our main tank/mecha the Spartan Variable hover tank.

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Postby The Grand World Order » Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:17 am

The only "mecha" in our country are generally logging vehicles or extreme terrain vehicles used for civilian purposes.

The idea of using a legged vehicle for combat would get you laughed out of the country.
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Postby Veceria » Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:38 am

Non-existent, unless we're talking about mechas in foreign media.
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Postby Luziyca » Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:44 am

Non-existent except in cartoons.
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Postby Rov » Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:56 am

Popular in gaming and in televised battles, but are dwarfed by massively more efficient hover vehicles in transport and combat.

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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:58 am

Are there mechas(giant robots) in your nation?
WE are giant robots. So, yes! Billions of them!

Who can own one?
Everyone owns at least one body. You kind of need one unless you have some weird desire to exist as nothing but a set of motherboards on a bench.

What are they used for?
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:06 am

They don't exist, as they are a pitifully inferior alternative to conventional armoured vehicles and helicopters.
It provides almost none, if any, mobility protection or firepower advantage over other vehicles and would hamper the performance of operators compared to either individual infantrymen or units of infantry.
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Postby Allmann » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:19 am

They do not exist in Allemannia.

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Postby Empire of Narnia » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:10 pm

Somebody tried to build one once. It toppled over crushing and killing him. Now most people agree that two-legged robots aren't a practical mode of transportation.

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Postby Skibereen » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:22 pm

yes they exist, they are novelty items for the exceedingly wealthy.
the reasons why they are not used for any practical applications has been clearly stated in several other posts above.
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Postby Auroran Empire » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:23 pm

Primitive obsolete museum pieces; at best.
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Postby Malgrave » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:30 pm

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:They don't exist, as they are a pitifully inferior alternative to conventional armoured vehicles and helicopters.
It provides almost none, if any, mobility protection or firepower advantage over other vehicles and would hamper the performance of operators compared to either individual infantrymen or units of infantry.


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Postby Epicsauce » Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:26 pm

The mechs used in combat are usually spider tanks and walkers like this. There's also many different mechs used by civilians.

Epicsaucian mechs are unique in that they're controlled directly by the operator's brain. The operator gets augmentations to upload their mind into the mech, letting the mech become their body while their original body is in suspended animation. With some getting used to, the mech can feel just as natural as the operator's body, so mechs can move in ways that would be incredibly complicated unless it had a mind of its own.

Most spider tanks have heads on the front with 2-6 "eyes" to let the operator see, speakers to let let them communicate with people outside, and flexible necks to let them look around. There's also pairs of "eyes" on the mech's blind spots that the operator can switch to, and there are holes all around the body which function as ears. Plus, the limbs on mechs are extremely strong and flexible, some can even climb skyscrapers (One time, someone climbed to the top of an orbital elevator with a spider mech built specifically for climbing). Spider tanks used by the military also have many different turrets or cannons that the operator can easily control.

Using people to control mechs like that has been done only recently and is still mostly used by rich citizens or super-soldiers in the military. Most spider mechs at this time are operated by AI's or are robotic avatars that the operator uses from another location. Also, walker mechs are still used more because they're cheaper and less risky to operate, but they're much less powerful and fast.
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Postby Mandicoria » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:25 pm

They're mainly used for industry (Mainly logging, Smelting, Construction, and mining) and the military rarely uses them. As a matter of fact, the only mechs used in the military only move around heavy objects in a base.(Vehicles, Ammo crates, and other things considered heavy) Police forces use spider-like mobile turrets, only to contain riots or to cover a SWAT team entering a building. (They look pretty much the same as the turrets in Doom 3)
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Postby Nua Corda » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:29 pm

Nonexistent. Too expensive, too vulnerable to anti-armor weapons, not enough (actually, not any) improvement over tanks to justify their use. Basically, because they're rather shit.
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Postby Potlimitomaha » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:30 pm

Allmann wrote:They do not exist in Allemannia.


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Postby The Zeonic States » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:32 pm

At present the Zeonic State's does not operate any heavy robotic assisted armored units, However government spending is being directed to this venture and eventually we will achieve their use.

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Postby Purpelia » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:40 pm

Nua Corda wrote:Nonexistent. Too expensive, too vulnerable to anti-armor weapons, not enough (actually, not any) improvement over tanks to justify their use. Basically, because they're rather shit.

There is one arguable improvement. Walking vehicles are not restricted by obstacles or mushy terrain as much as regular ones.
While a tank might be able to cross a meter and a half or something worth of obstacles it is ultimately limited by the height of its tracks (multiplied by 1.5 or something I forgot how much). A walker could step over much more provided a high enough step. And huge video game like walkers are going to have a large stepping height. Also, because walkers don't rely on traction to move they could be much more mobile in soft or swampy terrain. Yes having a lolhuge ground pressure means that they will sink into the ground much more readily than regular vehicles (especially tracked ones). But unlike with a conventional vehicle that requires traction and has to dig it self out of a hole for a walker that does not matter one bit as long as they sink less than their stepping height. It's basically the difference between stepping out of mud or trying to rollerskate out.

However everything else you said along with huge mechanical complexity, difficult maintenance (needs a crane to climb up there to fix stuff), no degraded mode (try driving a walking vehicle without fly by wire), blind spots close to the vehicle especially for the driver, horrible problems with reloading and refueling etc. make that one improvement non consequential to say the least.
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Postby SquareDisc City » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:44 pm

Team Space Elevator, the notorious crime syndicate and mercenary group that was destroyed in the Consortium War, was well-known for its mechas and spacemechas based on Pokemon. Some examples included.

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A Gyarados spacemecha, here seen underwater. Capable of latching its mouth onto the hull of a target spacecraft to facilitate a boarding operation.

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A light-tank like Rhyhorn mecha.

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An Altaria mecha, presumed to be used for recon work.

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A Metagross mecha, designed for similar roles to an MBT.

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Postby Nua Corda » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:45 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Nua Corda wrote:Nonexistent. Too expensive, too vulnerable to anti-armor weapons, not enough (actually, not any) improvement over tanks to justify their use. Basically, because they're rather shit.

There is one arguable improvement. Walking vehicles are not restricted by obstacles or mushy terrain as much as regular ones.
While a tank might be able to cross a meter and a half or something worth of obstacles it is ultimately limited by the height of its tracks (multiplied by 1.5 or something I forgot how much). A walker could step over much more provided a high enough step. And huge video game like walkers are going to have a large stepping height. Also, because walkers don't rely on traction to move they could be much more mobile in soft or swampy terrain. Yes having a lolhuge ground pressure means that they will sink into the ground much more readily than regular vehicles (especially tracked ones). But unlike with a conventional vehicle that requires traction and has to dig it self out of a hole for a walker that does not matter one bit as long as they sink less than their stepping height. It's basically the difference between stepping out of mud or trying to rollerskate out.

However everything else you said along with huge mechanical complexity, difficult maintenance (needs a crane to climb up there to fix stuff), no degraded mode (try driving a walking vehicle without fly by wire), blind spots close to the vehicle especially for the driver, horrible problems with reloading and refueling etc. make that one improvement non consequential to say the least.


Basically, yeah. The slight terrain advantage is totally negated by the horrible impracticality and general lulzyness of the rest.
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Postby Purpelia » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:53 pm

Nua Corda wrote:Basically, yeah. The slight terrain advantage is totally negated by the horrible impracticality and general lulzyness of the rest.

True. But people saying walkers are less mobile than tanks is a personal gripe for me.
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Postby SquareDisc City » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:55 pm

Walkers are, however, less mobile than good hovertanks.
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Postby Bordoria » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:55 pm

Most of our Mecha, known as Mobile Armours, are bipedal, however, we do have a few quadruped versions


We also use Powered Armours to support our infantry - one platoon of PAs per Infantry battalion
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