Should Drugs Be Legal?

[Jazarostia]

Government: As long as you're anti-commie, we don't mind. We propose to sell our best quality heroine!
Citizens: Our government is psychotic libertarian police state! Don't hear them! Drugs are sin in all religion except Rastafarianism..
Government: Shut up you all slaves!! Shot their heads!!


Note: Our citizens are devout Muslim, not Christian.

[Purpelia]

Drugs like sex and alcohol are good for public morale. If you keep your population well fed, well sexed and quite high they will be in no condition and indeed have little desire to challenge your rule. Bread and circuses, think about it.

[Jazarostia]

Drugs like sex and alcohol are good for public morale. If you keep your population well fed, well sexed and quite high they will be in no condition and indeed have little desire to challenge your rule. Bread and circuses, think about it.

"And that was I do! I allowed them very much freedom in drugs and sex, so I can..um, TAKE OVER them, brainwashing them to worship me, make them loyal to me and make the anti-government activists, dumb commie and Islamists get themselves kicked from our people. You know, that's failed, because no one take the freedom I have offer. They only hate commie, but love Islamists and Anti-Government Activists. But I think Nordengrundians will accept it. Heroine is good brainwash machine, baby!"
-President Suroto-

[Threlizdun]

Absolutely, no one possesses the right to tell another what they may do with their own bodies.

[Antarsia]

Nordengrund, do you want to know what drugs do to people? What they cause people to do? How stupid they make the user?

If you do, access the sites below at your own desire:

THE SITES BELOW CONTAIN IMAGES THAT SOME VIEWERS MAY FIND DISTURBING. VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED.

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If this is a rules violation, I will immediately remove all the site addresses, and apologize.
http://img.youtube.com/vi/-yiyzzSwnGM/0.jpg - Caused from a mother using drugs.
http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/wp-co ... 00x216.jpg - Side effects from a drug known as "Krokodil."
http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/wp-co ... ug6344.jpg
http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/wp-co ... rug243.jpg - As you see here, drugs can literally cause you to rot away.
http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/wp-co ... 534634.jpg
http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/wp-co ... kodil3.jpg
http://s3.hubimg.com/u/1296546_f520.jpg - Defects from drug abuse.
Removed - These are an example of what drugs can cause you to do. Because of the affects of the drugs, he thought peeling his face off with a broken piece of glass, and feeding it to dogs would be a good idea.
Removed - Some more information in that picture concerning that particular case.
Removed - This one I would say is the worst. You may have heard about this, but, here, a man got high on a drug, and he then proceeded to assault someone else, and ate a portion of his face. Remember, this was due to him using drugs.
THE SITES ABOVE CONTAIN IMAGES THAT SOME VIEWERS MAY FIND DISTURBING. VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED.

How can you subject your people to such disgusting, and immoral, and inhumane conditions? You might as well just cut their faces off for them.

We do not subject them to anything. What they do to themselves is their choice. The argument "The government didn't stop me from doing it, so it's their fault that I did it." is childish and irresponsible. As a side note, it is illegal for a pregnant woman to ingest most recreational drugs.

[Abatael]

Nordengrund, do you want to know what drugs do to people? What they cause people to do? How stupid they make the user?

If you do, access the sites below at your own desire:

THE SITES BELOW CONTAIN IMAGES THAT SOME VIEWERS MAY FIND DISTURBING. VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED.

THE SITES BELOW CONTAIN IMAGES THAT SOME VIEWERS MAY FIND DISTURBING. VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED.
If this is a rules violation, I will immediately remove all the site addresses, and apologize.
http://img.youtube.com/vi/-yiyzzSwnGM/0.jpg - Caused from a mother using drugs.
http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/wp-co ... 00x216.jpg - Side effects from a drug known as "Krokodil."
http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/wp-co ... ug6344.jpg
http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/wp-co ... rug243.jpg - As you see here, drugs can literally cause you to rot away.
http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/wp-co ... 534634.jpg
http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/wp-co ... kodil3.jpg
http://s3.hubimg.com/u/1296546_f520.jpg - Defects from drug abuse.
Removed - These are an example of what drugs can cause you to do. Because of the affects of the drugs, he thought peeling his face off with a broken piece of glass, and feeding it to dogs would be a good idea.
Removed - Some more information in that picture concerning that particular case.
Removed - This one I would say is the worst. You may have heard about this, but, here, a man got high on a drug, and he then proceeded to assault someone else, and ate a portion of his face. Remember, this was due to him using drugs.
THE SITES ABOVE CONTAIN IMAGES THAT SOME VIEWERS MAY FIND DISTURBING. VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED.

How can you subject your people to such disgusting, and immoral, and inhumane conditions? You might as well just cut their faces off for them.

We do not subject them to anything. What they do to themselves is their choice. The argument "The government didn't stop me from doing it, so it's their fault that I did it." is childish and irresponsible. As a side note, it is illegal for a pregnant woman to ingest most recreational drugs.

So, you obviously do not care about your people; you simply care about remaining in power, which, of course, is not the way he wishes to go, because he's human.

[Zokoria]

We suggest that the Nordengrundian government should keep the drug ban, but go further on that situation: Anyone who violates Nordengrund's drug laws shall be punished by execution, usually by the firing squad.

[Abatael]

We suggest that the Nordengrundian government should keep the drug ban, but go further on that situation: Anyone who violates Nordengrund's drug laws shall be punished by execution, usually by the firing squad.

We should leave the punishments up to him, especially the specifics, like by which means one is punished.

[Sibirsky]

All drugs are legal in Sibirsky.

[Peoples Republic of Old Russia]

Prime Minister Aiden R. Krone endorses the non-repealment of Nordengrund's drug laws.

[Jazarostia]

Just allow them, O Chancellor of Nordengrund! Never mind about those slaves so-called citizen's so-called health! Take over them, when they still under the drug control! Brainwash them! Make them loyal! WHO cares about their health? They just group of fucking snakes! Let drugs ban repealed!! Let the hippies brain become dirty and broken, until them loses their brain..and we have full controll of them. Loyality and Money, thats we can gain from legalize them.

[Crogach]

We believe the current restrictions on recreational drugs in Nordengrund go rather too far and should be relaxed, but that jumping straight from a wholesale ban on recreational substances to an "anything goes" policy would in fact prove to be a serious mistake. What we'd like to suggest is the implementation of a policy similar to the one we have now:

We believe it would be wise to legalize possession and consumption of anything one wishes; as far as purchase is concerned we'd suggest permitting the purchase and consumption of alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and certain other drugs (MDMA, modafinil, piracetam and other nootropics, and hallucinogens) may be purchased for oneself and consumed from the age of 18 onward while making harder drugs (amphetamines, cocaine, opiates, etc.) technically legal to possess and consume but not to be purchased.

The vast majority of alcohol, tobacco, and soft drugs consumed in Crogach are produced here by licensed manufacturers (pretty much all cooperatives and generally prevented from advertising on TV or advertising to children) whose licenses include payroll and production caps and who are not allowed to buy or be bought by firms operating in other industries (especially big pharma). Medical marijuana may occasionally be prescribed to those under 18, but even then it is obtained from a licensed dispensary rather than a pharmacy. Harder drugs are regulated far more strictly; sale is outright prohibited, and transport, manufacture, and dispensation is only legal when conducted by licensed entities (licenses are typically restricted to rehabilitative and detoxification clinics that are run either by the government or by nonprofits and charities).

We believe that implementing a set of restrictions on the manufacture and sale of mind-altering substances similar to that in force in Crogach will allow the people of Nordengrund to enjoy mind-altering substances responsibly while providing the authorities the necessary tools to prevent significant harm from excessive consumption, consumption of tainted goods, and so on. In particular, separating legality of consumption from legality of manufacture and sale significantly increases the likelihood that people with substance abuse problems will come forward and seek treatment for their addictions (thus eventually returning to full and productive lives) rather than dying on the street or being warehoused in prisons at significant expense to the state.

[Jassysworth 1]

The Jassysworthian Crown strongly urges Nordengrund to continue its righteous crusade against the use of evil, mind-altering recreational drugs. We urge the government to continue to act as the guardians of righteousness fighting against the forces of the drug dealers rather than to legalize drugs, and then participate in the evil act of selling them to innocents.

Millions of lives are destroyed every year by the sale of these demons while a few particularly wicked individuals profit by the millions from their suffering. The government must take a stand against this evil force... not join it or condone it. Any act of legalization of drugs would act to remove necessary social stigma against the use of drugs and question the moral integrity of the government. A government can certainly be said to be hypocritical if on the one hand it says 'don't do drugs'' while on the other hand it legalizes drugs and collects taxes from the sale of drugs.

The War on Drugs may be tough... but it must continue. If we will not fight against the drugs, then who will? All it takes for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

[Crogach]

The Jassysworthian Crown strongly urges Nordengrund to continue its righteous crusade against the use of evil, mind-altering recreational drugs. We urge the government to continue to act as the guardians of righteousness fighting against the forces of the drug dealers rather than to legalize drugs, and then participate in the evil act of selling them to innocents.

Millions of lives are destroyed every year by the sale of these demons while a few particularly wicked individuals profit by the millions from their suffering. The government must take a stand against this evil force... not join it or condone it. Any act of legalization of drugs would act to remove necessary social stigma against the use of drugs and question the moral integrity of the government. A government can certainly be said to be hypocritical if on the one hand it says 'don't do drugs'' while on the other hand it legalizes drugs and collects taxes from the sale of drugs.

The War on Drugs may be tough... but it must continue. If we will not fight against the drugs, then who will? All it takes for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

What's the point of that, though? Initiating and maintaining an all-out War on Drugs (which our government refuses to do-see the above post for our recommendations) takes a heavy toll on the people through lost freedom (not simply loss of the freedom to ingest whatever they please, but a general increase in police power at the expense of civil liberties), lost and ruined lives (for those imprisoned on minor drug-related offenses), and finally in terms of taxation costs (indiscriminately incarcerating recreational drug users sends your prison costs through the roof and the funding has to come from somewhere). The only reason to undertake such a policy would be if one believed that comparable or greater harm would come from any other stance on the issue, which as far as we're concerned is not the case.

Your people and ours are in agreement that unbridled and unregulated manufacture, sale, and use of all drugs is severely corrosive to the people, and that blanket legalization would be a serious mistake. However, we don't see why a middle way can't exist in which responsible drug use is permitted while irresponsible, fraudulent, predatory, or blatantly self-destructive drug-related behaviors are severely curtailed. It works just fine for us, and it would probably work better for you and Nordengrund than your current approach.

[Nordengrund]

We will legalize the drugs, but try to discourage people from using them. I am talking about recreational drugs, of course. We will only execute those who cause a problem in society.

[Jazarostia]

We will legalize the drugs, but try to discourage people from using them. I am talking about recreational drugs, of course. We will only execute those who cause a problem in society.

Good. Also remember to use them for brainwash. Alao to make economy stronger.

[Abatael]

We will legalize the drugs, but try to discourage people from using them. I am talking about recreational drugs, of course. We will only execute those who cause a problem in society.

Your nation is slowly beginning to live a life that is not in communion with the Lord, and your nation is going to burn in Hell, along with its people.

You aren't even religious. You simply claim to be so you can look good among the truly religious society. You put on a façade, which is seen to be a mile away.

[Nordengrund]

We will legalize the drugs, but try to discourage people from using them. I am talking about recreational drugs, of course. We will only execute those who cause a problem in society.

Your nation is no slowly beginning to live a life that is not in communion with the Lord, and your nation is going to burn in Hell, along with its people.

You aren't even religious. You simply claim to be so you can look good among the truly religious society. You put on a façade, which is seen to be a mile away.

OCC: I am a devout Southern Baptist, I am pro- life, a homophobe, pro- gun rights, a laissez- faire capitalist, pro- death penalty, do I sound liberal to you?

[Uirokeilendh]

Your nation is no slowly beginning to live a life that is not in communion with the Lord, and your nation is going to burn in Hell, along with its people.

You aren't even religious. You simply claim to be so you can look good among the truly religious society. You put on a façade, which is seen to be a mile away.

OCC: I am a devout Southern Baptist, I am pro- life, a homophobe, pro- gun rights, a laissez- faire capitalist, pro- death penalty, do I sound liberal to you?

((Abatael is speaking IC. One's nation(s) do(es) not necessarily represent your actual views and opinions.

...also, you aren't a laissez-faire capitalist because you support regulation. Laissez-faire capitalists want to abolish all regulations on business. No exceptions. You do not. Thus you are not a laissez-faire capitalist.
I already told you that in another thread.))

[Jormengand]

We in the Imperium believe that the best course of action is to give people the freedom to screw themselves over, but not anyone else. That means that ingested, imbibed or injected drugs should be legal, and smoked ones illegal.

[Fatatatutti]

Laissez-faire capitalists want to abolish all regulations on business. No exceptions.

Drug dealing is a business. All crime is a business. All prohibitions and bans are regulations on business. Fatatatutti is one of the very few real laissez-faire nations in the world.

[Antarsia]

We do not subject them to anything. What they do to themselves is their choice. The argument "The government didn't stop me from doing it, so it's their fault that I did it." is childish and irresponsible. As a side note, it is illegal for a pregnant woman to ingest most recreational drugs.

So, you obviously do not care about your people; you simply care about remaining in power, which, of course, is not the way he wishes to go, because he's human.

"You"? "I"? This policy was passed by a 87% popular vote more than 60 years ago. People must be trusted to make their own decisions.

[Uirokeilendh]

Laissez-faire capitalists want to abolish all regulations on business. No exceptions.

Drug dealing is a business. All crime is a business. All prohibitions and bans are regulations on business. Fatatatutti is one of the very few real laissez-faire nations in the world.

The Uirokeilendhic National Governmental Corporation is aware of this. In addition governance is business, and taxes & tariffs have the effect of regulating. Making mandatory socialist business models is also regulation. And finally, not all business is good business.

[Teddy Bear Republic]

We believe that soft drugs should be legal, and it has been this way in the TBRE since 2003.

[Abatael]

Everyone, this is no longer of any concern, because, due to multiple, long negotiations, Nordengrund has agreed to re-instate the laws.