What is the main military weapon of your country?

[Uawc]

I like .45 better than 9mm too, though. Moar damage.

You're missing the point here. You can't just say "more damage" (and please drop the kindergarten spelling) when you're comparing different numbers of different types of rounds. Six 45s (remember, we're comparing an automatic to a revolver) can kill a maximum of six targets. Fifteen 9s can kill a maximum of fifteen - and not every target is going to shake off multiple hits.

.45 is only 2.43mm wider than 9mm Parabellum. I don't think it's that detrimental to magazine capacity, and there are plenty handguns with double-stacked mags that have upwards of 12 .45 ACP cartridges.

What part of "revolver" did you miss in my message?

My mistake. Now that I think about it, why would one put .45s in a revolver?

as Colt be doing it before you were ever born as it Works

It works, yeah, but why would you put anything smaller than a magnum round in a revolver?

[Uawc]

The UAWC has a new break-open shotgun design.

We call it the PHC-24. It's a double-barreled lupara-style sidearm meant to pack maximum power into a very small, easily concealable package. It has a light folding stock and fires 12-gauge. It's meant to be the kind of weapon a young woman pulls out of her purse when confronted with a thug or two in a dark alley. Of course, the very short barrels mean it's only useful in close ranges, but that's what it's designed for anyway. It can fire all manner of 12-gauge, and is specifically made to be able to handle Dragon's Breath shells. So, yeah. Don't rape chicks in our country, or they'll literally burn you alive.

Also comes in Hello Kitty colors.

[Senestrum]

Oh, we're talking about self-defense weapons marketed toward ladies? Senestrum doesn't have any one gun that makes up the majority of personal defense weapons, due to the extremely free nature of the firearm market. In fact, the guns used range from .22 derringers to open-carried heavy battle rifles. However, one of the most commonly used guns is the MP Ordnance SM-14 PDW.



30 rounds of 9mm in a gun barely larger than most pistols.

[Imperial isa]

"how do you know it was a woman who held you up sir"

"she had a pink Hello Kitty gun"

[Techno-Soviet]

"how do you know it was a woman who held you up sir"

"she had a pink Hello Kitty gun"

Now, I find this offence. As a red blooded, steak eating American man of the male gender, I'd use one of those guns. D:

Also, that gun is lulz. What's with the weird fire selector though, it looks like a two round burst and then two semi-auto settings.

[Uawc]

Oh, we're talking about self-defense weapons marketed toward ladies? Senestrum doesn't have any one gun that makes up the majority of personal defense weapons, due to the extremely free nature of the firearm market. In fact, the guns used range from .22 derringers to open-carried heavy battle rifles. However, one of the most commonly used guns is the MP Ordnance SM-14 PDW.



30 rounds of 9mm in a gun barely larger than most pistols.

That is awesome.

I must ask though, are you sure .22LR is enough to protect someone's life/virginity/mental health/what have you in the face of danger?

[Solyhniya]

The Sičovi Zavody SZ-SO61, a recently released PDW solution.

Trials are currently underway (stats to be released soon).

[Imitora]

It works, yeah, but why would you put anything smaller than a magnum round in a revolver?

Continued firearm knowledge fail. Magnums are just longer, stronger cases allowing more powder. Example, you can take a revolver chambered in .357 Magnum, and shoot .38 special through it. A .357 Magnum bullet is a .38 caliber bullet, just like the .38 special and 9x19mm. Its just loaded in a longer case, so more powder=more power.

Oh, and here in Texas, a shoot out between an active shooter and the DPS found a .45ACP round incapable of penetrating and killing the barrier behind which the target was shooting from, but a .357SIG (.355 bullet in a .40S&W case) was capable of doing so. Killing ability = much, much more than bullet size.

[Imitora]

We're not going to use a round that an unarmored man can take nine shots from and still survive.

You should just stop talking. I can pull up a case study in under five minutes where some guy took three rounds to the chest with a .45ACP, and still need another shot in the brain dome to finally put him down.

[Uawc]

It works, yeah, but why would you put anything smaller than a magnum round in a revolver?

Continued firearm knowledge fail. Magnums are just longer, stronger cases allowing more powder. Example, you can take a revolver chambered in .357 Magnum, and shoot .38 special through it. A .357 Magnum bullet is a .38 caliber bullet, just like the .38 special and 9x19mm. Its just loaded in a longer case, so more powder=more power.

Oh, and here in Texas, a shoot out between an active shooter and the DPS found a .45ACP round incapable of penetrating and killing the barrier behind which the target was shooting from, but a .357SIG (.355 bullet in a .40S&W case) was capable of doing so. Killing ability = much, much more than bullet size.

I don't see how that at all contradicts what I said. When I said "round" I was referring to the whole cartridge, not just the bullet.

[Uawc]

We're not going to use a round that an unarmored man can take nine shots from and still survive.

You should just stop talking. I can pull up a case study in under five minutes where some guy took three rounds to the chest with a .45ACP, and still need another shot in the brain dome to finally put him down.

That's right. Four rounds, not freaking nine. .45 ACP is the weakest cartridge I'll happily use.

[Pyrerock]

The kingdom of Pyrerock uses the traditional Paeyong missiles for nuclear attacks and the German Cavalier sword.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Oh, and by the way,the aforementioned 5.7x28mm round is also a hell of a lot thinner than both .45 and 9mm. If you want magazine capacity, accuracy, armor penetration and range, that's a damn good round to go for.

The 5.7x28mm round doesn't offer much damage after impact because it is so small, one of the main drawbacks to PDWs.

I'd still trust it over the 9mm for range and accuracy.

Well, it is only about half as wide, so it only makes about half as big a hole. So even if your 5.7mm round can hit the enemy, you will need far more hits to bring them down than with a 9mm.

[Uawc]

Oh, and by the way,the aforementioned 5.7x28mm round is also a hell of a lot thinner than both .45 and 9mm. If you want magazine capacity, accuracy, armor penetration and range, that's a damn good round to go for.

The 5.7x28mm round doesn't offer much damage after impact because it is so small, one of the main drawbacks to PDWs.

I'd still trust it over the 9mm for range and accuracy.

Well, it is only about half as wide, so it only makes about half as big a hole. So even if your 5.7mm round can hit the enemy, you will need far more hits to bring them down than with a 9mm.

That's right. It is designed for full-auto, after all...

But I digress. My original point was that if I want a round for range and accuracy I'll use 5.7x28mm. My preferred pistol cartridges are .45 and .454. I'll be unsatisfied with any smaller than .45, though I won't mind a smaller magnum cartridge as long as it's bigger than .357.

[Senestrum]

Have you ever actually used any of the cartridges you're talking about?

[Fanaglia]

Have you ever actually used any of the cartridges you're talking about?

I can almost guarantee he hasn't.

Tulip No. 3 Disposable Grenade Projector

Caliber: 70 mm launcher, 132 mm warhead
Function: Disposable anti-tank weapon
Weight: 5.7kg
Length: 850 mm
Muzzle velocity: 120 m/s
Sights: Flip up iron sight
Effective range: 100 m for stationary targets, 50 m for moving targets
Maximum Range: 250m
Penetration capability: 850 mm RHEarmour, 2.1 metres concrete
Manufacturer: Tulip Heavy Industries

Just curious ~ how do you hold it?

[Uawc]

Have you ever actually used any of the cartridges you're talking about?

Of course. I have a BC-454 as well as a UMP-X300. First uses .454 UM (Union Magnum) while the second uses .45 UCP (Union Communal Pistol) and can be recalibrated for 9x19mm, 7.62x25mm Tokarev, and 10mm Auto.

[Satirius]

Have you ever actually used any of the cartridges you're talking about?

I can almost guarantee he hasn't.

Tulip No. 3 Disposable Grenade Projector

Caliber: 70 mm launcher, 132 mm warhead
Function: Disposable anti-tank weapon
Weight: 5.7kg
Length: 850 mm
Muzzle velocity: 120 m/s
Sights: Flip up iron sight
Effective range: 100 m for stationary targets, 50 m for moving targets
Maximum Range: 250m
Penetration capability: 850 mm RHEarmour, 2.1 metres concrete
Manufacturer: Tulip Heavy Industries

Just curious ~ how do you hold it?

Like the M72 LAW.

[Satirius]

Have you ever actually used any of the cartridges you're talking about?

I can almost guarantee he hasn't.

Tulip No. 3 Disposable Grenade Projector

Caliber: 70 mm launcher, 132 mm warhead
Function: Disposable anti-tank weapon
Weight: 5.7kg
Length: 850 mm
Muzzle velocity: 120 m/s
Sights: Flip up iron sight
Effective range: 100 m for stationary targets, 50 m for moving targets
Maximum Range: 250m
Penetration capability: 850 mm RHEarmour, 2.1 metres concrete
Manufacturer: Tulip Heavy Industries

Just curious ~ how do you hold it?

Like the M72 LAW.

It is usable both over-the shoulder, and under the shoulder, depending upon your stance and location.

Of course to get any sort of range due to its low velocity, you will need to fire it under the shoulder, and the ironsight works only for such a position.

You forgot the "Front Towards Enemy" part. Even though it's a claymore thing....

[Byelorussian SSR]

Have you ever actually used any of the cartridges you're talking about?

Of course. I have a BC-454 as well as a UMP-X300. First uses .454 UM (Union Magnum) while the second uses .45 UCP (Union Communal Pistol) and can be recalibrated for 9x19mm, 7.62x25mm Tokarev, and 10mm Auto.

I'm 100% sure that he is talking OOC.

[Imitora]

Have you ever actually used any of the cartridges you're talking about?

In the real world, I'd bet money that UAWC has never actually touched a real weapon.

I can tell he's never fired a .454 round, because I'm good friends with people who own .500S&W Magnums, and even THEY don't like shooting .454.

[Senestrum]

I'm 100% sure that he is talking OOC.

She.

>_>

[Byelorussian SSR]

I'm 100% sure that he is talking OOC.

She.

>_>

Oh, sorry about the confusion. I was being sarcastic to UAWC's post.

[Uawc]

Have you ever actually used any of the cartridges you're talking about?

Of course. I have a BC-454 as well as a UMP-X300. First uses .454 UM (Union Magnum) while the second uses .45 UCP (Union Communal Pistol) and can be recalibrated for 9x19mm, 7.62x25mm Tokarev, and 10mm Auto.

I'm 100% sure that he is talking OOC.

OOC: I know, but I'm still talking IC.

[Uawc]

Have you ever actually used any of the cartridges you're talking about?

In the real world, I'd bet money that UAWC has never actually touched a real weapon.

I can tell he's never fired a .454 round, because I'm good friends with people who own .500S&W Magnums, and even THEY don't like shooting .454.

OOC: That's not true. I have several bladed weapons and have fired a 9mm handgun.