Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mk.IV

[Lamoni]

MOSAIC uses the same type of technologies as is used in the TIGER BMS system.

http://www.elbitsystems-us.com/sites/default/files/TIGER_ESA_3_11_rev4.pdf

[The Kievan People]

I have to stop you there.
American OPFOR, if you mean the NTC, is probably the most skilled force in the world by virtue of a greater extent of combat training. They are not representative of the Soviet armies, if anything, the American OPFOR is probably more representative of the US army.

Remember where I wrote "WWII"?

[San-Silvacian]

San IFV:

30mm autocannon 500-600 rounds
57mm HV gun 50-60 rounds
x2 Box ATGMs 2 reloads

[Purpelia]

57mm and 30mm on the same vehicle? Or are those two separate variants? Because if not the two are too similar to warrant not just having one or the other.

[San-Silvacian]

for teh lulz

[Purpelia]

for teh lulz

Well you do that than. Meanwhile my IFV's get teh reall lulz (BMP-3 but with the autocanon in supershot 40). With the 40mm upgrade version I am sure to finally get those god dam Smurfs.

[Republica Newland]

How dangerous are outboard weapons on AFVs (not inside a turret) for example the TOWs you see on Humvees or simply other missile launchers on AFVs that aren't that well integrated (at least armor-wise) e.g. a turret with a missile launcher slapped on its' side.

How do these unprotected weapons work? Do they leave them loaded when they go into combat or does a member of the crew have to reach out from the hull and load them before they are fired? How dangerous is it if one of these loaded missile launchers get hit?

[The Kievan People]

How dangerous are outboard weapons on AFVs (not inside a turret) for example the TOWs you see on Humvees or simply other missile launchers on AFVs that aren't that well integrated (at least armor-wise) e.g. a turret with a missile launcher slapped on its' side.

How do these unprotected weapons work? Do they leave them loaded when they go into combat or does a member of the crew have to reach out from the hull and load them before they are fired? How dangerous is it if one of these loaded missile launchers get hit?

They are loaded in advance.

Rocket motors can ignite or even explode if they are penetrated. On a Bradley sized vehicle the motor would probably need to explode to cause significant damage. More likely it will burn energetically, though this might damage a light vehicle like a Humvee. It will wreck the launcher for sure.

[Rich and Corporations]

How dangerous are outboard weapons on AFVs (not inside a turret) for example the TOWs you see on Humvees or simply other missile launchers on AFVs that aren't that well integrated (at least armor-wise) e.g. a turret with a missile launcher slapped on its' side.

How do these unprotected weapons work? Do they leave them loaded when they go into combat or does a member of the crew have to reach out from the hull and load them before they are fired? How dangerous is it if one of these loaded missile launchers get hit?

They are loaded in advance.

Rocket motors can ignite or even explode if they are penetrated. On a Bradley sized vehicle the motor would probably need to explode to cause significant damage. More likely it will burn energetically, though this might damage a light vehicle like a Humvee. It will wreck the launcher for sure.

External modules will still be damaged, and aluminum vehicles, like the Bradley, if lit on fire long enough will uh... combust pretty badly.
Apparently the wires for the smoke grenade launchers for a tank runs on the top, so if a tank with external launchers is hit by a top attack round, it would be pretty severely damaged, probably the wires will burn, any external sensors will be destroyed or degraded.

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Apparently a HEAT shell has greater penetration because it is confined? Just asking for confirmation.

[Republica Newland]

They are loaded in advance.

Rocket motors can ignite or even explode if they are penetrated. On a Bradley sized vehicle the motor would probably need to explode to cause significant damage. More likely it will burn energetically, though this might damage a light vehicle like a Humvee. It will wreck the launcher for sure.

External modules will still be damaged, and aluminum vehicles, like the Bradley, if lit on fire long enough will uh... combust pretty badly.
Apparently the wires for the smoke grenade launchers for a tank runs on the top, so if a tank with external launchers is hit by a top attack round, it would be pretty severely damaged, probably the wires will burn, any external sensors will be destroyed or degraded.

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Apparently a HEAT shell has greater penetration because it is confined? Just asking for confirmation.

I still don't understand why sensors are still largely un-armored. They are expensive, arguably vital for modern AFVs and also relatively small in size.

[Rich and Corporations]

I still don't understand why sensors are still largely un-armored. They are expensive, arguably vital for modern AFVs and also relatively small in size.

Take the eyeball for instance. Why would god/evolution not armor it?
It's not possible to armor it past a certain point, and even at that level of armor, it will be vulnerable to high energy damage.

If you put enough armor around the optics, eventually you cannot see through the optics.

[The Akasha Colony]

External modules will still be damaged, and aluminum vehicles, like the Bradley, if lit on fire long enough will uh... combust pretty badly.
Apparently the wires for the smoke grenade launchers for a tank runs on the top, so if a tank with external launchers is hit by a top attack round, it would be pretty severely damaged, probably the wires will burn, any external sensors will be destroyed or degraded.

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Apparently a HEAT shell has greater penetration because it is confined? Just asking for confirmation.

I still don't understand why sensors are still largely un-armored. They are expensive, arguably vital for modern AFVs and also relatively small in size.

Because by definition these sensors must be open on at least one side in order to actually sense anything. Sure, you can pile loads of bulletproof glass and such in front of it, but that will never be a match for the kind of anti-tank weaponry a tank has to be able to survive against. Armoring it also increases their profile, since most are located on top of the tank, which means the tank will be more easily spotted. Most vehicles aren't heavily armored on the top anyway, which is where the sensors are located.

[Yes Im Biop]

Uh...Is there a place to Post my Airship besides the Realism thread?

[Rich and Corporations]

Uh...Is there a place to Post my Airship besides the Realism thread?

Your nation's fighter thread?


T-51 Mk. V

Role: Cavalry Tank
Weight: 40 tonnes
Armor: Titanium, Ceramics, heavy explosive reactive armor (hull only)
Unit Cost: $8 million

Hull Crew: Driver, Gunner/Rear Driver
Turret Crew: Commander
Turret Armament: 16.5 cm L/15 fixed mount, 2.1 cm L/90 autocannon, 6mm machine gun
Turret Armament Elevation/Depression: 30/-6
Hull Depression: -5
Turret Traverse: 8 rpm, electric motors

Suspension: Hydro-pneumatic, aluminum roadwheels
Transmission: Electric
Engine: 2x 600 hp Turbine

Ammunition:
16.5 cm GLATGM (5 rounds): 900mm to 1100mm RHAe Penetration, fire and forget, can target low-flying subsonic jet aircraft or helicopters, range: 8 km, two-piece ammunition
16.5 cm Unguided HEAT-FRAG Rocket (4 rounds): 800mm to 1000mm penetration, contact or proximity fuse, can destroy helicopters, light vehicles, or fixed fortifications, range: 5 km, one-piece ammunition
16.5 cm HEP (8 rounds): can destroy light vehicles and fixed fortifications
2.1 cm APHE (300 rounds): 5 cm penetration
.6 cm FMJ (1000 rounds)

The twin turbines act both as an APU and prime manuever. During defensive manuevers or silent overwatch, typically only one turbine is running. Two turbines while one turbine is idle is more fuel efficient and space efficient then a single diesel engine.

[Yes Im Biop]

It's not really a Fighter though... Hm.,.

[Rich and Corporations]

It's not really a Fighter though... Hm.,.

but it IS an AIRCRAFT

[Yes Im Biop]

It's not really a Fighter though... Hm.,.

but it IS an AIRCRAFT

True. Where did it go... Hm..

[Bhelyant]

viewtopic.php?t=48251&f=23&view=unread

2.1 cm APHE (300 rounds): 5 cm penetration

Isn't that > 30x165mm?

[Rich and Corporations]

I just discovered something, titanium is flammable.
So basically every NS tank design if hit by a rocket with enough unburnt fuel, will light into flames.

[Vitaphone Racing]

I just discovered something, titanium is flammable.
So basically every NS tank design if hit by a rocket with enough unburnt fuel, will light into flames.

Unless these NS tanks contain titanium in only powdered form, no this is not the case.

[The Akasha Colony]

I just discovered something, titanium is flammable.
So basically every NS tank design if hit by a rocket with enough unburnt fuel, will light into flames.

No titanium here boss!

Titanium has some pretty stringent combustion requirements. It's been relatively safely used even in high-heat turbine engines, where the danger of combustion can be mitigated pretty well.

[Lamoni]

I just discovered something, titanium is flammable.
So basically every NS tank design if hit by a rocket with enough unburnt fuel, will light into flames.

Unless these NS tanks contain titanium in only powdered form, no this is not the case.

The same applies for Aluminium. It's not flammable unless it is in powder form.

[Risen Britannia]

Just a heads up, as I am not going to be on tomorrow I will probably post "Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mk.V" sometime later this evening, but if you could keep using this one till it's full that would be great.

[Risen Britannia]

Ok the Mk 5 is here viewtopic.php?f=23&t=248892 , but as mentioned before if you could keep using this one for the moment.

[Rich and Corporations]

I just discovered something, titanium is flammable.
So basically every NS tank design if hit by a rocket with enough unburnt fuel, will light into flames.

No titanium here boss!

Titanium has some pretty stringent combustion requirements. It's been relatively safely used even in high-heat turbine engines, where the danger of combustion can be mitigated pretty well.

That's true. This FAA report seems to indicate that it's difficult to get titanium to ignite and sustain combustion (although it is possible in a turbine), although the report did not go into what would happen if rocket fuel, burning at several hundred degrees, would do to a titanium or aluminum box.