NS Military Realism Consultation Thread

[Faberry States]

So I have a defence budget of 35 billion dollars. Looking at South Korea and Canada for the basis of my equipment numbers. Good or not?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Hello. First time I've used this thread. So I'm making my military, more specifically, and I need two destroyers. So, I looked through my Ships of the Worlds Navies book, and I took interest in the 'Suffren' class Guided-missile escort destroyer. So I checked the wiki page, and saw the last one was decommissioned in 2007. I also saw the info in the book was more detailed than the wiki page. So I wrote it up. I've decided to create a modified variant, with more advanced electronics, weapons systems and countermeasures.

(Image)
Type: Anti-aircraft, anti-submarine and anti-ship guided-missile escort destroyer
Displacement: 5,090 tons standard and 6,090 tons full load
Dimensions: length 157.6m; beam 15.5m; draught 6.1m
Gun armament: 2x 100mm Creusot Loire L/55 DP in Modele 193 single mountings, and 4x 20mm AA in single mountings
Missile armament: two twin container-launchers for four MM.38 Exocet anti-ship missiles, and one twin launcher for 48 Masurca SAMs
Torpedo Armament: None
Anti-submarine Armament: one single launcher for 13 Malafon missiles, and four single 533mm launchers for L5 torpedoes
Aircraft: None
Electronics: one DRBI 23 air-search radar, one DRBV 15 air/surface-search radar, one DRBN 2 navigation radar, two DRBR 51 radars used in conjunction with the SAM fire-control system, one DRBC 3 A gun fire-control radar, one DUBV 23D active search and attack hull sonar, one DUBV 43B/C active search variable-depth sonar, SENIT 1 action information system, one ESM system with warning and ARBB 32 jamming elements, two Dagaie chaff/flare launchers, two Syllex chaff launchers, one Syracuse satellite communications system, and URN-20 TACAN
Propulsion: four boilers supplying steam to two sets of Rateau geared turbines delivering 54,000kW (72,425 hp) to two shafts
Performance: maximum speed 34kt, range 9500km (5,906 miles) at 18 kt or 4450km (2,765 miles) at 29 kt.
Complement: 350

Not proclaiming to be an expert on naval design, but I believe this has some potentials...
Presenting, FN Suffren upgraded to Forbin standard as an interim solution:
http://i.imgur.com/k2pQT.png
Guidance and missiles replaced with Principal Anti Air Missile System.
Gun reduced by one turret and merged into a twin turreted 5"/54 caliber Mark 45.
B-mount replaced by an 8 cell MM. 40 Exocet.
Any other wishes just file them now and I will handle them tomorrow.

[The Akasha Colony]

As has been mentioned before, most silos are in fact unmanned, but connected via data link to a central command station relatively close by (a few kilometers). This is how US missiles are deployed, in 'fields' with clusters of missiles all linked to one of several command centers. But they're also regularly surveyed and checked to prevent tampering or malfunctions. In a launch situation, all command launch procedures are handled from the central base by computer, and no personnel are present at the individual silos.

Rather than being in the mountains though, these tend to be located in the flat plains of Wyoming, Montana, and the Dakotas. It's easier to patrol, easier to build, and in a flat area, you can see someone coming miles away. People can hide in the mountains, and make it to your silos undetected, whereas the only real way to do that in a flat plain is by digging, but even that's rather impractical at the very least.

Of course, the major advantage to land-based ICBMs (greater accuracy/range) has now largely been negated, so if you have the money, SSBNs tend to be a more secure way to store and deliver your arsenal. Hence by the British now only have a submarine deterrent, and the French are increasingly moving toward one. Only the US and Russia have the funds and political will to maintain enormous nuclear triads. If a pure deterrent is what you want, SSBNs work reasonably well.

[The Akasha Colony]

So I have a defence budget of 35 billion dollars. Looking at South Korea and Canada for the basis of my equipment numbers. Good or not?

Hmm... the two are actually rather far apart in terms of numbers, although I would imagine Canada's is probably closer to the mark. South Korea has assault ships and large destroyers, while Canada does not, and South Korea also maintains conscription. I suppose it depends how much you're putting into expeditionary capability. That tends to cost much more than simply fielding and training the men involved.

[Galla-]

So I have a defence budget of 35 billion dollars. Looking at South Korea and Canada for the basis of my equipment numbers. Good or not?

http://z4.invisionfree.invalid.com/NSDraftroom/ ... topic=6178

There's a start for your navy.

[Faberry States]

So I have a defence budget of 35 billion dollars. Looking at South Korea and Canada for the basis of my equipment numbers. Good or not?

http://z4.invisionfree.invalid.com/NSDraftroom/ ... topic=6178

There's a start for your navy.

Thanks.

[Clean Conscience]

Hello. First time I've used this thread. So I'm making my military, more specifically, and I need two destroyers. So, I looked through my Ships of the Worlds Navies book, and I took interest in the 'Suffren' class Guided-missile escort destroyer. So I checked the wiki page, and saw the last one was decommissioned in 2007. I also saw the info in the book was more detailed than the wiki page. So I wrote it up. I've decided to create a modified variant, with more advanced electronics, weapons systems and countermeasures.

(Image)
Type: Anti-aircraft, anti-submarine and anti-ship guided-missile escort destroyer
Displacement: 5,090 tons standard and 6,090 tons full load
Dimensions: length 157.6m; beam 15.5m; draught 6.1m
Gun armament: 2x 100mm Creusot Loire L/55 DP in Modele 193 single mountings, and 4x 20mm AA in single mountings
Missile armament: two twin container-launchers for four MM.38 Exocet anti-ship missiles, and one twin launcher for 48 Masurca SAMs
Torpedo Armament: None
Anti-submarine Armament: one single launcher for 13 Malafon missiles, and four single 533mm launchers for L5 torpedoes
Aircraft: None
Electronics: one DRBI 23 air-search radar, one DRBV 15 air/surface-search radar, one DRBN 2 navigation radar, two DRBR 51 radars used in conjunction with the SAM fire-control system, one DRBC 3 A gun fire-control radar, one DUBV 23D active search and attack hull sonar, one DUBV 43B/C active search variable-depth sonar, SENIT 1 action information system, one ESM system with warning and ARBB 32 jamming elements, two Dagaie chaff/flare launchers, two Syllex chaff launchers, one Syracuse satellite communications system, and URN-20 TACAN
Propulsion: four boilers supplying steam to two sets of Rateau geared turbines delivering 54,000kW (72,425 hp) to two shafts
Performance: maximum speed 34kt, range 9500km (5,906 miles) at 18 kt or 4450km (2,765 miles) at 29 kt.
Complement: 350

Not proclaiming to be an expert on naval design, but I believe this has some potentials...
Presenting, FN Suffren upgraded to Forbin standard as an interim solution:
http://i.imgur.com/k2pQT.png
Guidance and missiles replaced with Principal Anti Air Missile System.
Gun reduced by one turret and merged into a twin turreted 5"/54 caliber Mark 45.
B-mount replaced by an 8 cell MM. 40 Exocet.
Any other wishes just file them now and I will handle them tomorrow.

That looks good. How about countermeasures? There's the Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM), VL-MICA and Israeli Barak as well as a few others including using CIWS to destroy anti-ship missiles.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

I compleatly forgot about SSBNs, damn I feel dumb, those would be so much easier (and cheaper) then secret mountain silos. Sorry for wasting everyone's time with that.

Anyway, could I produce/use something like this BigDog thing and still call it MT?

[Spirit of Hope]

I compleatly forgot about SSBNs, damn I feel dumb, those would be so much easier (and cheaper) then secret mountain silos. Sorry for wasting everyone's time with that.

Anyway, could I produce/use something like this BigDog thing and still call it MT?

Heck it's been made, in 2005, which means if your army put focused R&D into it you could have some real usable product. Just try not to overstep realism (make it invincible and carrying 120mm guns) and you should be fine.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

I compleatly forgot about SSBNs, damn I feel dumb, those would be so much easier (and cheaper) then secret mountain silos. Sorry for wasting everyone's time with that.

Anyway, could I produce/use something like this BigDog thing and still call it MT?

I joke about using it to carry LMGs while automatically engaging targets by shooting at anything with a high heat signature. Obviously the latter idea has some major downsides, but yes it has some uses in pure MT, let along NS level MT.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Perfect, thanks. I get to remake my spider UGCV! Do you think a massively upsized version could work as a self propelled artillery piece?

[The Corparation]

Perfect, thanks. I get to remake my spider UGCV! Do you think a massively upsized version could work as a self propelled artillery piece?

No. Things don't just magically scale up. Square-cube law. When you double somethings size, you increases its volume (And thus its mass) by a much higher factor. Scale up a walker and you get way too much ground pressure on the feet.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Perfect, thanks. I get to remake my spider UGCV! Do you think a massively upsized version could work as a self propelled artillery piece?

No. Things don't just magically scale up. Square-cube law. When you double somethings size, you increases its volume (And thus its mass) by a much higher factor. Scale up a walker and you get way too much ground pressure on the feet.

Hmm, so PMT/FT tech wank then. Oh well, thanks.

[Sevvania]

While perhaps not entirely realistic in and of itself, I'd like a few suggestions for anti-zombie weapon specifications. So if you were designing a weapon system for exclusive use against soft, fleshy, unarmed and unarmored combatants that tend to attack en masse and can only be dispatched by a shot to the head, what sort of specifications would be required for optimal performance? Semi-automatic (or even bolt-action) to encourage precision and ammo conservation? And what about ammunition? Probably some sort of war-crime shredder round...

Suggestions?

[Spirit of Hope]

While perhaps not entirely realistic in and of itself, I'd like a few suggestions for anti-zombie weapon specifications. So if you were designing a weapon system for exclusive use against soft, fleshy, unarmed and unarmored combatants that tend to attack en masse and can only be dispatched by a shot to the head, what sort of specifications would be required for optimal performance? Semi-automatic (or even bolt-action) to encourage precision and ammo conservation? And what about ammunition? Probably some sort of war-crime shredder round...

Suggestions?

Slow moving zombies? For my entire army? In a large hoard? Run the zombies over with tanks, kill them with napalm and artillery. Once their just a pile of flesh burn with flame throwers,

Small zombie groups, pistols and bite proof armor over entire body. Walk up press pistol to zombie head pull trigger.

Standard rifles would do fine, because you can still damage and slow them down if not kill them.

Me personally? 45-70 because even if I miss the head I'll do nasty, limb removing damage.

[Jagalonia]

While perhaps not entirely realistic in and of itself, I'd like a few suggestions for anti-zombie weapon specifications. So if you were designing a weapon system for exclusive use against soft, fleshy, unarmed and unarmored combatants that tend to attack en masse and can only be dispatched by a shot to the head, what sort of specifications would be required for optimal performance? Semi-automatic (or even bolt-action) to encourage precision and ammo conservation? And what about ammunition? Probably some sort of war-crime shredder round...

Suggestions?

Shotguns, machettes, and cars.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

While perhaps not entirely realistic in and of itself, I'd like a few suggestions for anti-zombie weapon specifications. So if you were designing a weapon system for exclusive use against soft, fleshy, unarmed and unarmored combatants that tend to attack en masse and can only be dispatched by a shot to the head, what sort of specifications would be required for optimal performance? Semi-automatic (or even bolt-action) to encourage precision and ammo conservation? And what about ammunition? Probably some sort of war-crime shredder round...

Suggestions?

Shotguns, machettes, and cars.

Shotguns, sledgehammers/mallets, and trucks. Shotguns spread allows one to aim near the head and have a great chance of killing it, sledgehammers and mallets can more easily shatter bones and crush skills, and trucks can carry supplies that can be quickly grabbed as you exit the vehicle.

[Spirit of Hope]

Shotguns, machettes, and cars.

Shotguns, sledgehammers/mallets, and trucks. Shotguns spread allows one to aim near the head and have a great chance of killing it, sledgehammers and mallets can more easily shatter bones and crush skills, and trucks can carry supplies that can be quickly grabbed as you exit the vehicle.

Or just run them over with a tank. Those that aren't crushed dead directly can either be shot or stabed, or whatever in the head as they lay broken on the ground.

[The Corparation]

While perhaps not entirely realistic in and of itself, I'd like a few suggestions for anti-zombie weapon specifications. So if you were designing a weapon system for exclusive use against soft, fleshy, unarmed and unarmored combatants that tend to attack en masse and can only be dispatched by a shot to the head, what sort of specifications would be required for optimal performance? Semi-automatic (or even bolt-action) to encourage precision and ammo conservation? And what about ammunition? Probably some sort of war-crime shredder round...

Suggestions?

Gatling guns. Hand cranked old school style., wearing a monocle. sure its a zombie apoc, but you'll be surviving in style.

[The UK in Exile]

While perhaps not entirely realistic in and of itself, I'd like a few suggestions for anti-zombie weapon specifications. So if you were designing a weapon system for exclusive use against soft, fleshy, unarmed and unarmored combatants that tend to attack en masse and can only be dispatched by a shot to the head, what sort of specifications would be required for optimal performance? Semi-automatic (or even bolt-action) to encourage precision and ammo conservation? And what about ammunition? Probably some sort of war-crime shredder round...

Suggestions?

hayek.

as in hayeksplosives!

[Spirit of Hope]

Gatling guns. Hand cranked old school style., wearing a monocle. sure its a zombie apoc, but you'll be surviving in style.

I'd like to quote this, it's to funny an image not to.

[The Corparation]

Gatling guns. Hand cranked old school style., wearing a monocle. sure its a zombie apoc, but you'll be surviving in style.

I'd like to quote this, it's to funny an image not to.

Remember boy when all seems lost and civilization is spiraling down the day, you shall be a beacon of civilization and the old ways if you kill the zombies with the style and power of a true gentlemen. A.K.A post apoc bitches dig a man w/ a monocle and Gatling gun. EDIT: Also a top hat, never leave the bunker without a top hat. Call now and for only 3 easy payments of 19.95 you can buy your very own Tophat w/ matching gasmask and get a free monocle plus free shipping and handling.

[Central and Eastern Visayas]

While perhaps not entirely realistic in and of itself, I'd like a few suggestions for anti-zombie weapon specifications. So if you were designing a weapon system for exclusive use against soft, fleshy, unarmed and unarmored combatants that tend to attack en masse and can only be dispatched by a shot to the head, what sort of specifications would be required for optimal performance? Semi-automatic (or even bolt-action) to encourage precision and ammo conservation? And what about ammunition? Probably some sort of war-crime shredder round...

Suggestions?

Given that the undead do not comprehend the Laws and Customs of War, using such a shredder round isn't really a war crime against said undying enemies.

[The Akasha Colony]

While perhaps not entirely realistic in and of itself, I'd like a few suggestions for anti-zombie weapon specifications. So if you were designing a weapon system for exclusive use against soft, fleshy, unarmed and unarmored combatants that tend to attack en masse and can only be dispatched by a shot to the head, what sort of specifications would be required for optimal performance? Semi-automatic (or even bolt-action) to encourage precision and ammo conservation? And what about ammunition? Probably some sort of war-crime shredder round...

Suggestions?

If you want an automatic, you're probably going to want something very light, with a light but high-velocity bullet to maintain accuracy. Perhaps something along the lines of a PDW, or a Calico-style gun with a helical magazine for maximum ammunition. Of course, a regular assault rifle will probably suffice since even if it won't kill them, it will maim them to the point of immobility by tearing off limbs and shattering bones. Unless these are magical self-healing zombies. Semi-automatic isn't terribly useful, and if it's a horde of humans, their heads will be around the same height, allowing you to quickly take out a whole group with a quick spray of fire to the head area.

Probably pair that with a good, close-range shotgun and/or medium-power pistol. You want to be able to actually stop the zombies at close range, even if you don't kill them. And even if you do, momentum from a light but deadly hit could still send the body falling toward you. So you want something powerful enough to actually knock them back with an impact.

Melee is probably going to be a decently long-ranged blunt or bladed instrument, but nothing that can get stuck or caught. A baseball bat is good as it's long and smooth, with nothing to get stuck (don't be an idiot and pound nails into it). A sufficiently sharp sword may remove limbs but probably isn't worth it, since it requires training to use effectively. I imagine the point of any melee weapon is simply to buy time to escape, and allow the use of ranged weapons again.

[Spirit of Hope]

Remember boy when all seems lost and civilization is spiraling down the day, you shall be a beacon of civilization and the old ways if you kill the zombies with the style and power of a true gentlemen. A.K.A post apoc bitches dig a man w/ a monocle and Gatling gun. EDIT: Also a top hat, never leave the bunker without a top hat. Call now and for only 3 easy payments of 19.95 you can buy your very own Tophat w/ matching gasmask and get a free monocle plus free shipping and handling.

Image in my head:

A distinguished older gentleman stands atop a pile of dead zombies. Lets take a closer look at this gentleman, he's wearing a full tuxedo with nice top hat upon his head, he also wears a monocle, and the gold chain for a pocket watch can just nearly be seen. His grey handlebar mustache matches his stern lined fast masterfully. In one hand he holds a cane sword, currently imbedded in a zombies head. In the other hand he holds a china cup within which is a nice blend of tea.

The distinguished gentleman tuts softly as he cuts down another zombie, in the back ground you can see his friends, just as well attired playing with their hand cranked gatling guns.