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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:01 am

Isla da Penumbra wrote:(Image)

TK-33 URBAN is a standard issue assault rifle set to become available in January 2012 and will only be used by special operatives or high ranking military personnel. (Modelled of the TKB-059 Assault Rifle used by the Soviet Union)

@Samozaryadnyastan: Yeah, I guess. Anyway, it still is a good idea though.

@Anemos Major: Ok, thanks for telling me that. I never really searched on them before.

Stock is much too long.
For magazine like that to feed forwards, you either require a mechanism to rotate the rounds (for no logical reason), or the cartridges taper between the shoulder and the base, meaning that as well as a very small rim, they won't hold well in the chamber.
You appear to have no barrel.
You couldn't hold the pistol grip.
You also appear to have no fore handguard.

When making a PMG Bullpup, it's generally advisable to try using an actual bullpup as a base.
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Postby Isla da Penumbra » Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:04 am

@Samozaryadnyastan: I'll keep that idea in mind and move the magazine to the front of the receiver. Also, the length is deliberate. And about the barrel, it's at the front of the gun, it is a small barrel, though.

An upgraded TK-33 URBAN:

Image
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:10 am

Isla da Penumbra wrote:@Samozaryadnyastan: I'll keep that idea in mind and move the magazine to the front of the receiver. Also, the length is deliberate. And about the barrel, it's at the front of the gun, it is a small barrel, though.

An upgraded TK-33 URBAN:

(Image)

I was referring to the case ejectors on the two receiver top parts that you had as a barrel cover (which you could call heat vents). You couldn't see a barrel through those, which is what I was referring to.

That length is going to be very uncomfortable to hold with your trigger hand, let alone the hand that holds the handguard.
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Postby Isla da Penumbra » Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:20 am

@Samozaryadnyastan: I see your point with the length. I have also covered up the vents, it would be impossible for the ammunition to reach the barrel.

An even more upgraded TK-33 URBAN:

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Postby Ea90 » Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:26 am

Isla da Penumbra wrote:@Samozaryadnyastan: I see your point with the length. I have also covered up the vents, it would be impossible for the ammunition to reach the barrel.

An even more upgraded TK-33 URBAN:

(Image)

why is the mag backwards?

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Postby Isla da Penumbra » Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:36 am

@Ea90: Because our nation is backwards. Also it is for easier grip and reloading because of the shape of the gun.
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Postby Ea90 » Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:39 am

Isla da Penumbra wrote:@Ea90: Because our nation is backwards. Also it is for easier grip and reloading because of the shape of the gun.

I see. Also, some stuff that I've read says that a 100 grain 6x48mm cartridge with a BC of 0.54 fired at 2900 fps would make the perfect sniper, AR and MG round. Thoughts? Also, I did a little bit of editing to an image I found of the 6mm SAW to show what it would look like:
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Postby Fischermann » Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:57 am

Haven01 wrote:(Image)

what do you guys think? the iron sights are incase the sights break by an EMP or something so they're not supposed to be aligned.


The EMP is a mystery, and it is unknown whether it'll damage a RDS or not.
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Postby Wolohanistan » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:10 am

Oh no.
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Postby Fischermann » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:30 am

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KA-73 Assault Rifle.

Used 5.45x39, feeding from a 30 round magazine. Saw limited service.

It is uncommon, but not impossible to see a Fischermann Soldier with this.
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Postby Risen Britannia » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:46 am

...and to get away from PMG designs
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first attempt at putting a camouflage on one of my guns
inspired by Samozaryadnyastan use of camo on his guns
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Postby Ea90 » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:57 am

Fischermann wrote:(Image)

KA-73 Assault Rifle.

Used 5.45x39, feeding from a 30 round magazine. Saw limited service.

It is uncommon, but not impossible to see a Fischermann Soldier with this.

Aren't 5.45 30-round mags curved?

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Postby Ea90 » Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:02 am

Risen Britannia wrote:...and to get away from PMG designs
(Image)
first attempt at putting a camouflage on one of my guns
inspired by Samozaryadnyastan use of camo on his guns

wow this new style of yours is great! Reminds me of some of Alex's awesome stuff.
E: Just noticed that your pistol grip is from Alex's PKM.
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Postby Wolohanistan » Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:05 am

Risen Britannia wrote:...and to get away from PMG designs
(Image)
first attempt at putting a camouflage on one of my guns
inspired by Samozaryadnyastan use of camo on his guns

I'm certain you're using gunbucket parts now. There's alot of stuff on there from Colosseum's M16A1.
If you're using gunbucket acredit properly ffs, it's not difficult.

Edit: Ea90 also has a sharp eye.

Editedit: Pretty sure you've done the same thing for that MG you posted a while back.
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Postby Risen Britannia » Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:14 am

Ea90 wrote:
Risen Britannia wrote:...and to get away from PMG designs
(Image)
first attempt at putting a camouflage on one of my guns
inspired by Samozaryadnyastan use of camo on his guns

wow this new style of yours is great! Reminds me of some of Alex's awesome stuff.
E: Just noticed that your pistol grip is from Alex's PK.

yes that what im basing it off. he is what inspired me to make the change from (rather bad) shading and block lines, it may look similar but i can promise you that there was no copy and pasting across, measurement/style yes but no direct copy.

[img]my first attempts were like this:
Image[/img]
then i found ship bucket and used their style to get me off the ground:
Image
and now im doing ships like so:
Image
(additional part =guns)
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Postby Fischermann » Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:37 am

Ea90 wrote:
Fischermann wrote:(Image)

KA-73 Assault Rifle.

Used 5.45x39, feeding from a 30 round magazine. Saw limited service.

It is uncommon, but not impossible to see a Fischermann Soldier with this.

Aren't 5.45 30-round mags curved?


Doesn't need to, IIRC.
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Postby Wolohanistan » Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:41 am

Risen Britannia wrote:
Ea90 wrote:wow this new style of yours is great! Reminds me of some of Alex's awesome stuff.
E: Just noticed that your pistol grip is from Alex's PK.

yes that what im basing it off. he is what inspired me to make the change from (rather bad) shading and block lines, it may look similar but i can promise you that there was no copy and pasting across, measurement/style yes but no direct copy.

[img]my first attempts were like this:
Image[/img]
then i found ship bucket and used their style to get me off the ground:
Image
and now im doing ships like so:
Image
(additional part =guns)


So you're tracing?
Even if you're not copying, several parts of the guns you've posted line up exactly with parts from gunbucket.
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Postby Melqan » Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:48 am

Ea90 wrote:
Isla da Penumbra wrote:@Samozaryadnyastan: I see your point with the length. I have also covered up the vents, it would be impossible for the ammunition to reach the barrel.

An even more upgraded TK-33 URBAN:

(Image)

why is the mag backwards?


cuz they b jammin... literally... he said they use them as grips... wtf...

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Postby Dimoniquid » Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:59 am

Fischermann wrote:
Ea90 wrote:Aren't 5.45 30-round mags curved?


Doesn't need to, IIRC.

True, but they'd be long.

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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:01 am

Risen Britannia wrote:...and to get away from PMG designs
(Image)
first attempt at putting a camouflage on one of my guns
inspired by Samozaryadnyastan use of camo on his guns

Oh God.
Take me now.

This is possibly one of your sexiest guns, even before the camo.
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Postby Solyhniya » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:10 am

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Isla da Penumbra wrote:

Above: Above are the three main weapons of the 'Penumbrè Militãirè' or the Penumbran military, issued by the recently elected president Mikael Ivanova. They are standard issue and can be purchased on any military premises. The uppermost weapon is the 'VALKA-375', the standard issue assault rifle. The one below is the 'UEKA6', the standard issue sub-machine gun. The lowermost weapon is the 'GHOST Rifle' which recently replaced the 'Valkyrie Sniper Rifle' as the standard issue sniper rifle early in November 2010. The 'Valkyrie Sniper Rifle' was standard issue for forty-three (43) years until Mikael Ivanova was elected in September 2010 and rebuilt the Penumbran military.


These make me want to slit my wrists. If you can't see what's wrong with them after looking at a few real guns(M16, AKM, FN FAL, etc.), there's nothing I can do to help.


I actually laughed out loud at these xD
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Postby Fischermann » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:16 am

Dimoniquid wrote:
Fischermann wrote:
Doesn't need to, IIRC.

True, but they'd be long.


Well, the magwell's just there for easier loading. It can hold 30 rounds.
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Postby Solyhniya » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:23 am

Graditora wrote:Heres the 4th of my M4 bullpup prototypes i may make a 5th you guys find any problems and if you do ask me and i may tell you if its there or not and if you do tell me and i will start working on the 5th and fix it. Hope you guys like it :D
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1st is Common infantry, 2nd is sniper variant, and 3rd is spec ops.


Okay, you're certainly improving, well done :D

TBH, these still aren't brilliant and more can done to improve even further, but the fact you're trying to get better is awesome. Did you save the code for these guns? If you did I'd be glad to lend you a hand brushing them up.
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Postby Fischermann » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:49 am

Solyhniya wrote:
Graditora wrote:Heres the 4th of my M4 bullpup prototypes i may make a 5th you guys find any problems and if you do ask me and i may tell you if its there or not and if you do tell me and i will start working on the 5th and fix it. Hope you guys like it :D
(Image)
1st is Common infantry, 2nd is sniper variant, and 3rd is spec ops.


Okay, you're certainly improving, well done :D

TBH, these still aren't brilliant and more can done to improve even further, but the fact you're trying to get better is awesome. Did you save the code for these guns? If you did I'd be glad to lend you a hand brushing them up.


Grenade launchers on every soldier's weapon isn't very practical.
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Postby Solyhniya » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:53 am

Fischermann wrote:
Solyhniya wrote:
Okay, you're certainly improving, well done :D

TBH, these still aren't brilliant and more can done to improve even further, but the fact you're trying to get better is awesome. Did you save the code for these guns? If you did I'd be glad to lend you a hand brushing them up.


Grenade launchers on every soldier's weapon isn't very practical.


Sure, but a couple of pages ago this guy's PMG's sucked shit. He's on the up, and I have to congratulate him for wanting to improve, no?
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