I think the best SMG round would be the 7.62x25 necked down to 7mm and case lengthened by 3mm, loaded with more modern propellants. Unless you want commonality with your SMGs and your pistols.
Apparently it is capable of defeating lvl II armor vests at close range with only FMJ. With my changes, it would be able to defeat lvl II armor vests at longer rnages with AP ammo. Making your PDWs into more assault rifle weapons. 7mm has been statistically proven to have ideal terminal performance.
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 12:37 pm
by Benomia
Rich and Corporations wrote:I think the best SMG round would be the 7.62x25 necked down to 7mm and case lengthened by 3mm, loaded with more modern propellants. Unless you want commonality with your SMGs and your pistols.
Apparently it is capable of defeating lvl II armor vests at close range with only FMJ. With my changes, it would be able to defeat lvl II armor vests at longer rnages with AP ammo. Making your PDWs into more assault rifle weapons. 7mm has been statistically proven to have ideal terminal performance.
7.62x25 can already defeat up to Level III vests, although it's possible that that was an AP round.
Rich and Corporations wrote:I think the best SMG round would be the 7.62x25 necked down to 7mm and case lengthened by 3mm, loaded with more modern propellants. Unless you want commonality with your SMGs and your pistols.
Apparently it is capable of defeating lvl II armor vests at close range with only FMJ. With my changes, it would be able to defeat lvl II armor vests at longer rnages with AP ammo. Making your PDWs into more assault rifle weapons. 7mm has been statistically proven to have ideal terminal performance.
7.62x25 can already defeat up to Level III vests, although it's possible that that was an AP round.
Level III vests at what ranges? Warzones don't quite occur at point blank.
Used By: Kalumban Army, Kalumban Navy, Guard Force, Kalumban Constabulary
Wars: Bechuaneland Emergency
Production History
Designed:1972
Designer: Percival Gifford
Manufactured by: Kalumban National Armoury
Produced: 1973 - Present
Number Built: ~450,000
Variants:
SH-72
SH-72 Carbine
Specifications
Weight: 8.2 lb (4.0 kg) (empty)
Length: 39.4 in (1000 mm)
Barrel Length: 18.1 in (460 mm)
Cartridge(s):
.280 British
Action: Gas Operated, Rotating Bolt
Rate of Fire: 600 rounds/min
Feed System: 10 or 30-round detachable box magazine
Sights: Iron
Background
In the early 1960's the minority goverment of Kalumba was facing an increasingly violent and well armed insurgency in the Bechuaneland provice and required a new service rifle to replace the FN FAL, however international sanctions prevented access to the newer designs emerging around the world and forced the Kalumbans to begin work on their own indigenous weapon. Early prototypes resembled the FAL and continued the battle rifle concept. These prototypes were produced on a small scale and issued to frontline units, but there were numerous complaints mainly regarding the length and weight of the weapons as well as there inability to provide accurate automatic fire.
By the late 1960's the insurgents were causing increased casualties amongst the security forces and the need for an effective new weapon became increasingly urgent. The project was placed at the desk of Percival Gifford, an experienced aero-engineer who had recently been placed in charge of all arms manafacture. He decided the new weapon would fire the .280 British cartridge and must be capable of accurate automatic fire while being less than 1100mms in length.
By 1972 the new weapon was ready for mass production and was introduced as the KAR-72 (Kalumban Automatic Rifle-72). By the end of the year, however, a referendum established majority rule and the KAR-72 was in danger of being replaced by the AKM. Luckily the new government decided that indigenous production was better for the nation and the KAR-72 was re-introduced as the Shambulio Banduki-72 (Assault Rifle-72 in Uhali). The SH-72 continues in service to this day and a carbine version has been produced for use by special forces and police.
Construction and Design The SH-72's reciever is based off that of the AKM and, along with the barrel and gas system, is constructed of milled steel and the stock is foldable and built of tubular steel. The weapons furniture was originally wood but has since been upgraded to bakelite, although recent versions are moving towards polymer furniture. The weapon is thus heavy and carries a high manafacturing cost, but is very reliable and possesses decent accuracy and a respectable effective range of 300-550 yards (the latter with bipod extended).
Other than the change of cartidge and addition of a bipod and other external features the SH-72 is identical internally to the AKM, and the many of the parts are interchangeable, a useful feature when fighting insurgents using the AKM. The iron sights are adjustable from 100-750 yards and contain tritium betalights to allow for night-fighting.
The SH-72 contains an integral bipod to allow for accurate and sustained automatic fire, as well as to improve accuracy at increased ranges. Unusually the SH-72 does not have a bayonet lug, altough many soldiers have adapted the FAL spike bayonet to fit the rifle. Variants
The SH-72 comes in two variants:
SH-72 The standard issue rifle, often supplied without the bipod
SH-72c a carbine variant issued to police and special forces
So can this pack .280 British or should I put it in a boring common calibre?
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 12:41 pm
by Nua Corda
Rich and Corporations wrote:I think the best SMG round would be the 7.62x25 necked down to 7mm and case lengthened by 3mm, loaded with more modern propellants. Unless you want commonality with your SMGs and your pistols.
Apparently it is capable of defeating lvl II armor vests at close range with only FMJ. With my changes, it would be able to defeat lvl II armor vests at longer rnages with AP ammo. Making your PDWs into more assault rifle weapons. 7mm has been statistically proven to have ideal terminal performance.
I prefer an over pressured variant of .40 S&W (10mm NACO) necked down to 7mm . This allows you to use it in service pistols and SMGs, and swap between .40 and 7mm with a barrel change, for AP vs suppressed performance. Slap in a 6.5 CBJ-style sabot penetrator for more heavy-duty vests, and your golden.
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 12:43 pm
by San-Silvacian
7.62x45mm better to use for AK-85 than 9x45mm silliness. I might go back to 5.45x39mm, maybe 5.45x45, but I'm in Samozland there. And thats just bullpups and plastic.
San-Silvacian wrote:7.62x45mm better to use for AK-85 than 9x45mm silliness. I might go back to 5.45x39mm, maybe 5.45x45, but I'm in Samozland there. And thats just bullpups and plastic.
7x45mm with 5.45-style bullet cavity.
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 12:59 pm
by Benomia
My notanm1911 using API blowback for best machining pistolololol, yes/yes?
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 1:00 pm
by Nua Corda
Benomia wrote:My notanm1911 using API blowback for best machining pistolololol, yes/yes?
Benomia wrote:My notanm1911 using API blowback for best machining pistolololol, yes/yes?
M1911 is short recoil, not blowback
That's why it's not an M1911. For some reason, my pistol looks just like one, even though it has literally nothing in common beyond the general shape of the grip furniture.
San-Silvacian wrote:7.62x45mm better to use for AK-85 than 9x45mm silliness. I might go back to 5.45x39mm, maybe 5.45x45, but I'm in Samozland there. And thats just bullpups and plastic.
7x45mm with 5.45-style bullet cavity.
7,62x45 w/ 5.45 cavity.
got it.
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 1:09 pm
by Boer Republics (Ancient)
Mr. Bond is upset with the lack of Walther PPK and .380 ACP pistols on this, the 380th page.
Used By: Kalumban Army, Kalumban Navy, Guard Force, Kalumban Constabulary
Wars: Bechuaneland Emergency
Production History
Designed:1972
Designer: Percival Gifford
Manufactured by: Kalumban National Armoury
Produced: 1973 - Present
Number Built: ~450,000
Variants:
SH-72
SH-72 Carbine
Specifications
Weight: 8.2 lb (4.0 kg) (empty)
Length: 39.4 in (1000 mm)
Barrel Length: 18.1 in (460 mm)
Cartridge(s):
.280 British
Action: Gas Operated, Rotating Bolt
Rate of Fire: 600 rounds/min
Feed System: 10 or 30-round detachable box magazine
Sights: Iron
Background
In the early 1960's the minority goverment of Kalumba was facing an increasingly violent and well armed insurgency in the Bechuaneland provice and required a new service rifle to replace the FN FAL, however international sanctions prevented access to the newer designs emerging around the world and forced the Kalumbans to begin work on their own indigenous weapon. Early prototypes resembled the FAL and continued the battle rifle concept. These prototypes were produced on a small scale and issued to frontline units, but there were numerous complaints mainly regarding the length and weight of the weapons as well as there inability to provide accurate automatic fire.
By the late 1960's the insurgents were causing increased casualties amongst the security forces and the need for an effective new weapon became increasingly urgent. The project was placed at the desk of Percival Gifford, an experienced aero-engineer who had recently been placed in charge of all arms manafacture. He decided the new weapon would fire the .280 British cartridge and must be capable of accurate automatic fire while being less than 1100mms in length.
By 1972 the new weapon was ready for mass production and was introduced as the KAR-72 (Kalumban Automatic Rifle-72). By the end of the year, however, a referendum established majority rule and the KAR-72 was in danger of being replaced by the AKM. Luckily the new government decided that indigenous production was better for the nation and the KAR-72 was re-introduced as the Shambulio Banduki-72 (Assault Rifle-72 in Uhali). The SH-72 continues in service to this day and a carbine version has been produced for use by special forces and police.
Construction and Design The SH-72's reciever is based off that of the AKM and, along with the barrel and gas system, is constructed of milled steel and the stock is foldable and built of tubular steel. The weapons furniture was originally wood but has since been upgraded to bakelite, although recent versions are moving towards polymer furniture. The weapon is thus heavy and carries a high manafacturing cost, but is very reliable and possesses decent accuracy and a respectable effective range of 300-550 yards (the latter with bipod extended).
Other than the change of cartidge and addition of a bipod and other external features the SH-72 is identical internally to the AKM, and the many of the parts are interchangeable, a useful feature when fighting insurgents using the AKM. The iron sights are adjustable from 100-750 yards and contain tritium betalights to allow for night-fighting.
The SH-72 contains an integral bipod to allow for accurate and sustained automatic fire, as well as to improve accuracy at increased ranges. Unusually the SH-72 does not have a bayonet lug, altough many soldiers have adapted the FAL spike bayonet to fit the rifle. Variants
The SH-72 comes in two variants:
SH-72 The standard issue rifle, often supplied without the bipod
SH-72c a carbine variant issued to police and special forces
Nua Corda wrote:M1911 is short recoil, not blowback
That's why it's not an M1911. For some reason, my pistol looks just like one, even though it has literally nothing in common beyond the general shape of the grip furniture.
The only blowback pistol I know of is the hi-point, which is hilariously bulky as a result.
Benomia wrote: That's why it's not an M1911. For some reason, my pistol looks just like one, even though it has literally nothing in common beyond the general shape of the grip furniture.
The only blowback pistol I know of is the hi-point, which is hilariously bulky as a result.
And the Makarov.
And Puzikas said to use Blowback, so I used Blowback.
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 1:15 pm
by Benomia
Here it is: (Since last posted, revised ejection port [I've done this almost every revision], revised that weird sticky-outy part, added mag release. Keeping the slide release on the left because that's what the TT has.)
Benomia wrote: That's why it's not an M1911. For some reason, my pistol looks just like one, even though it has literally nothing in common beyond the general shape of the grip furniture.
The only blowback pistol I know of is the hi-point, which is hilariously bulky as a result.
Because 20% improvement in ballistic performance < thirdy-caliburr bullertz
Oh look. I didn't do what you said and you're now butthurt.
Just an average day with Corda.
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 1:17 pm
by Purpelia
@beno
My only objection is that the length of the slide and barrel just looks way too short and the handle looks slightly too long. It just looks to me like a decent gun built for a guy with 6 fingers and with a 80mm or so barrel. And the thing is I know that the barrel is actually NOT too short. It's just the handle throwing it out of proportion. Make it a bit shorter if you ask me.
My only objection is that the length of the slide and barrel just looks way too short and the handle looks slightly too long. It just looks to me like a decent gun built for a guy with 6 fingers and with a 80mm or so barrel. And the thing is I know that the barrel is actually NOT too short. It's just the handle throwing it out of proportion. Make it a bit shorter if you ask me.
High capacity mags best capacity mags
But yeah, will revise.
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 1:21 pm
by East America
essentially a piston driven m16 in 300 blackout
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 1:21 pm
by Nirvash Type TheEND
Benomia wrote:Here it is: (Image) (Since last posted, revised ejection port [I've done this almost every revision], revised that weird sticky-outy part, added mag release. Keeping the slide release on the left because that's what the TT has.)
Slide needs to be a bit bigger, and the grip could stand to be a bit more slanted. That or you'll need to make the slide and part of the frame hang off the back.
Benomia wrote:Here it is: (Image) (Since last posted, revised ejection port [I've done this almost every revision], revised that weird sticky-outy part, added mag release. Keeping the slide release on the left because that's what the TT has.)
Slide needs to be a bit bigger, and the grip could stand to be a bit more slanted. That or you'll need to make the slide and part of the frame hang off the back.
TT-33 says Hai. Seems like the issue to me is that the Grip is just a awkward length that's all.. Otherwise beno you have made an Massive Improvement since my last comments to you, well done sir. Also any basic data?
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 12:36 pm
