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Agritum wrote:

Valentir wrote:Who is proposing a Minister of Religion? Don' t we have Freedom of and From Religion?

I'll propose a Ministry of Irreligion, at this point.

I fully agree with that suggestion.

Agritum wrote:

Valentir wrote:Who is proposing a Minister of Religion? Don' t we have Freedom of and From Religion?

I'll propose a Ministry of Irreligion, at this point.

Hell I'm a Deist but at this point I'll support that.

Agritum wrote:

Valentir wrote:Who is proposing a Minister of Religion? Don' t we have Freedom of and From Religion?

I'll propose a Ministry of Irreligion, at this point.

A Minister of Secularism would be better.

Oneracon wrote:

Byzantium Imperial wrote:I think the simple solution is to do as follows:

Global Warming Prevention act
Author: Alexander Paliaologos [NIFP] | Co-Sponsors:

SECTION 1: DEFINITIONS
pi·ra·cy
/ˈpīrəsē/
Noun
The practice of attacking and robbing ships at sea.

SECTION 2: THE BILL
REALIZING that global warming is an immenent threat to our nation that will submerge us under the ocean

UNDERSTANDING that many proposals to reduce carbon emmisions are expensive and restrict industrial development

CONSIDERS that while global temperatures have been rising steadily for the past two centuries, while the number of high seas pirates have been falling

CONCLUDING that pirates contribute to global cooling

HEREBY legalizes Piracy, and annuls the sections of any treaties or current laws we have that prohibits piracy

Acknowledging that mobile phones are important for public safety and connectivity of our citizens, I move that we stop all funding for cancer research since cancer causes an increase in cell phones!

Ok then. We will call it the "Oneracan thinks cancer is not worth our money act"

Fulflood wrote:

Great Nepal wrote:Not last one but, as I said several times it is free in UK however it is a college education not school education.

Nope.
Kent.
Lincolnshire.
Berkshire.

And from FSC's perspective (US), it's high school. Also, what something is called doesn't define what it is under law (there's a secondary with College in its name round here, doesn't mean it's not a secondary school).

Sixth form are funded under Further Education Funding Council for England, Schools are funded by Local education authority therefore clearly indicating the separation between schools and sixth form college.

Britcan wrote:

Agritum wrote:I'll propose a Ministry of Irreligion, at this point.

A Minister of Secularism would be better.

That I'm more in favour of. Religion has no part in the Government of Aurentina.

Great Nepal wrote:

Fulflood wrote:Nope.
Kent.
Lincolnshire.
Berkshire.

And from FSC's perspective (US), it's high school. Also, what something is called doesn't define what it is under law (there's a secondary with College in its name round here, doesn't mean it's not a secondary school).

Sixth form are funded under Further Education Funding Council for England, Schools are funded by Local education authority therefore clearly indicating the separation between schools and sixth form college.

My secondary school includes the sixth form...

Britcan wrote:

Great Nepal wrote:Sixth form are funded under Further Education Funding Council for England, Schools are funded by Local education authority therefore clearly indicating the separation between schools and sixth form college.

My secondary school includes the sixth form...

Really? We had to move to a separate sixth form college.

Great Nepal wrote:

Britcan wrote:My secondary school includes the sixth form...

Really? We had to move to a separate sixth form college.

I live in Kent and all the secondary schools around here have the sixth form.

Britcan wrote:

Great Nepal wrote:Really? We had to move to a separate sixth form college.

I live in Kent and all the secondary schools around here have the sixth form.

I live in Barnet and apart from mill hill, which had completely separate building there are separate sixth form colleges like: harrow college, Barnet college etc.

Great Nepal wrote:

Fulflood wrote:Nope.
Kent.
Lincolnshire.
Berkshire.

And from FSC's perspective (US), it's high school. Also, what something is called doesn't define what it is under law (there's a secondary with College in its name round here, doesn't mean it's not a secondary school).

Sixth form are funded under Further Education Funding Council for England, Schools are funded by Local education authority therefore clearly indicating the separation between schools and sixth form college.

The Further Education Funding Council for England (FEFC) was a non-departmental public body of the Department for Education and Skills which distributed funding to Further Education and Sixth Form Colleges in England between 1992 and 2001.

Operative verb = was.

I also discovered that multiple other non-grammar counties (e.g. half of Wiltshire) have integrated sixth forms.

What are we even debating at this point. It seems like all serious debate ended hours ago

(is it still allowed to end debate early?)

Byzantium Imperial wrote:What are we even debating at this point. It seems like all serious debate ended hours ago

(is it still allowed to end debate early?)

I was just wondering the same thing. By the way does anyone know if those astronomy thingies passed?

Of the Quendi wrote:

Byzantium Imperial wrote:What are we even debating at this point. It seems like all serious debate ended hours ago

(is it still allowed to end debate early?)

I was just wondering the same thing. By the way does anyone know if those astronomy thingies passed?

The one mandating the program didnt, the ministry reform did

Can I move that we end debate and commence voting?

Geilinor wrote:

Free South Califas wrote:

Ministry of Science and Religion Act
Author: Saul Califas [C] | Co-Sponsors:

The Aurentine Senate,

APOLOGISING in advance for its apologia,

RECONSIDERING the whole secular state thing in a non-binding sort of way,

DECIDING that the Minister of Science...wait, what? This coalition wants a Minister of Science? This wasn't covered by the Ministry of Research and Astronomy?

It's not the best law I've ever written, but I'm sort of constrained without repealing SSA.

Why do we need a Ministry of Religion? The government won't be legislating on it much.

Just clarifying the apparent role of MoS:

Great Nepal wrote:Their identity is supposed to be secret, how do you know of this information whose accuracy I can not comment on, senator?


You wouldn't have contact with secret group of scientists. Only original minister of science and potential minister of science candidates have access to them, so no.

This hair splitting about what years happen in what schools is completely missing my point - just in case it was aiming for it

See below.

Battlion wrote:

Fulflood wrote:Better luck next argument.

I believe it only recently changed so you can't act like that.. Plus you have to be in education till 18 yes but that includes apprenticeships which isn't school etc.

This is my point, in reply to all three of you.

It's flat out ridiculous and possibly destructive policy to claim that the government must hand-deliver the Senator's favorite television shows to every resident regardless of any factor, while insisting that people must not be allowed to access vital educational material based on arbitrary and discriminatory factors like age. I don't care whether it's math for children, accounting for fourth-career septuagenarians, or cooking for middle aged slackers. I said universal access to education and textbooks. As in, the whole domain of human knowledge being delivered by society to every library and home computer, without age discrimination or pay walls, etc.

GN's response was to split hairs about how he wants children of a certain age to have some free educational access, but not all, and others should have none or no protected right. Which is precisely my point. He wants you in front of the TV watching his favorite things instead of choosing whether to watch sci-fi or take a physics course. Or both, for that matter, but he won't even help Aurentine programming get off its feet - so we have to rely on Britain forever and put forward no grand cultural ideas of our own on the TV screen.

It makes no sense to me how the people who support this wouldn't want great Aurentine television, at the very least.

Oneracon wrote:Can I move that we end debate and commence voting?

No.

Once a bill becomes the first in the queue, it must be debated on for 24 hours before going up for vote. The debate period may be extended only once for up to 12 more hours if seven Senators move for an extension and an admin approves.

The important word here is "must".

Ainin wrote:

Oneracon wrote:Can I move that we end debate and commence voting?

No.

Once a bill becomes the first in the queue, it must be debated on for 24 hours before going up for vote. The debate period may be extended only once for up to 12 more hours if seven Senators move for an extension and an admin approves.

The important word here is "must".

So the chamber is gonna be dead for a few more hours I suppose.

Fulflood wrote:

Great Nepal wrote:
Actually, I do for school age as shown in Education framework act.

School age is agreed by many (including in the UK) to be up to 18.

But it was a slightly unnecessary ad hominem from FSC.

Nay, a tu quoque at worst. From my perspective, it was pointing out the characteristic inconsistency of a man whose manipulation knows no bounds. I thought it was germane to the argument.

Britcan wrote:We can fund and show Aurentine programming at the same time as showing quality international entertainment.

That's exactly what I've been arguing for.

Great Nepal wrote:

Free South Califas wrote:Domestic funding should prioritize creating quality Aurentine entertainment programs.

I can't quite believe we're advocating using Aurentine money to expand the reach of British programming without asking how Dr. Who got to be the phenomenon it is today. Public support for domestic programming, that's how!


Senator, I don't appreciate how casually you insult Aurentine writers, actors, directors and producers. You want us to colonize outer space, yet you won't help Aurentine talent get noticed on television? Surely international renown and glory would be better served by having our own programs than by being a laughingstock that only serves up the entertainment of others, like the Canadian networks used to be?

Show me national entertainment comparable to Dr. Who and Star trek.

Dr. Who. It is produced by the BBC.

Free South Califas wrote: Senator, you don't even support the universal right to free education and textbooks.

Actually, I do for school age as shown in Education framework act.

Again, you don't support the universal right to free education and textbooks. You don't seem capable of responding meaningfully, so I'm not sure why I'm repeating myself, but there it is.

The perfect time for pursuing other business!

The INTERPOL Act has enough sponsors to be added to the queue.

Kamchastkia wrote:

Ainin wrote:No.

Once a bill becomes the first in the queue, it must be debated on for 24 hours before going up for vote. The debate period may be extended only once for up to 12 more hours if seven Senators move for an extension and an admin approves.

The important word here is "must".

So the chamber is gonna be dead for a few more hours I suppose.

After cehcking the senate archives, it appears the mods Xed out that line of the bill for some reason 2 days ago.

Rumostan wrote:

Ainin wrote:You should check yours.

ATN is currently barely making a revenue.

It is making a revenue and will make a revenue, when a buisness makes a change, it will always experience a dip. I have complete trust that it will be making more than enough revenue.

What the actual fuck are you on about, Senator? Let me repeat your words to you:

Rumostan wrote:Not true, the ATN is earning more money than ever, Senator, please check your facts before saying such ludicrous things.

Byzantium Imperial wrote:What are we even debating at this point. It seems like all serious debate ended hours ago

(is it still allowed to end debate early?)

I've been arguing for quality domestic programming to be funded.

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The Ministry of Culture and Sports must ensure that the utmost reasonable effort is made to discover talented Aurentine television writers, actors, directors and producers, and to produce quality Aurentine television programming.

If at all feasible, the Ministry of Culture and Sports shall make a good-faith attempt to produce at least one television program of significant intellectual depth and such international appeal that it shall increase the reputation of Aurentina as a patron of the great works of art.

Publicly subsidised, owned and/or operated television stations must display programming of meaningful Aurentine origin for at least 20% of their air time each year, beginning in 2018.

Here we go - this gives the MoCS, ATN etc. five years to find and/or develop enough Aurentine media to show it on 20% of their airtime, and suggests how they might go about it, without micromanaging. Kouralia, what say you? Lower number? Less? More? Are you willing to put any language like this in the bill?

Oneracon wrote:

Oneracon wrote:As author of the Proxy Voting Act, I approve the proofreader's change.

I further move to separate (de-omnibus?) the Impartial Polling Places Act from the Anti Corruption Omnibus, and omnibus the Proxy Voting Act and Impartial Polling Places Act into an Election Standards Omnibus.

Byzantium Imperial wrote:Fourth

Any more?

Sixth. I think adding the President will do it. Might wanna ping Wolfmanne?