NATION

PASSWORD

Jolt closes NationStates 2

A dignified resting-place for the greatest threads of all time.
User avatar
[violet]
Site Admin
 
Posts: 7125
Founded: Antiquity

Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby [violet] » Wed May 20, 2009 2:50 pm

Email sent from Jolt to NS2 players:
Dear Rulers,

As you know, NS2 launched in beta several months ago and has suffered from intermittent stability issues, mostly relating to the growing in-game economy, diplomatic networks and Alliance complexities. On July 1st, we are going to be taking the game down in order to perform substantial work on its architecture and features. This will not be a simple process and we are not able to give a definite timeline for when the game will return.

To ensure that players do not lose out because of this interruption, we will be turning off new registrations and payment options this week.

We regret having to take such extreme action but unfortunately, the underlying design of the game has several major flaws which must be addressed otherwise it will become irreversibly broken. As soon as we have new information, you'll be informed. In the meantime, perhaps we could interest you in Utopia Kingdoms? It's a game which is heavily based on the management of a kingdom and its associated economy and military. Certainly not a carbon copy of NS2 but hopefully something to get involved with until NS2 returns. This is a link just for NS2 players: here

Regards,
The NS2 Team

Reported here and here.

Edit: Response from us here.

Edit 2: Whoops, fixed second link to initial report.
Last edited by [violet] on Fri May 22, 2009 6:00 pm, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
Unibot
Senator
 
Posts: 4296
Founded: May 25, 2008
Ex-Nation

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Unibot » Wed May 20, 2009 3:01 pm

So do we think this is their way of sugar coating their massive failure of NS2, and the eventual final closing of the game... or are they telling the truth, this closure is just for repairs?

Personally, once they started trying to shove that other game down my throat I got the feeling, NS2 isn't coming back.

It's not really a loss - not anymore atleast.

User avatar
Unibot
Senator
 
Posts: 4296
Founded: May 25, 2008
Ex-Nation

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Unibot » Wed May 20, 2009 3:05 pm

And by the way, might I say, what a warm-fuzzy and classy post, Max. :D

User avatar
Triniteras
Diplomat
 
Posts: 667
Founded: Jan 02, 2007
Ex-Nation

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Triniteras » Wed May 20, 2009 3:06 pm

Nationstates 2 is foolery for it's multiple "worlds". The forums are here and it does not have enough content to run on it's own. If it had one, all-encompassing "world" there might be enough activity within to make it more worth-while. Nothing ever happens in it otherwise.
Last edited by Triniteras on Wed May 20, 2009 8:23 pm, edited 4 times in total.

User avatar
Valipac
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1272
Founded: May 08, 2009
Ex-Nation

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Valipac » Wed May 20, 2009 3:27 pm

*thumbs-up*
"What is written without effort is in general read without pleasure." - Samuel Johnson
Economic Left/Right: 3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.13
Myers-Briggs Type: ESTP
II NSTrainer | Using Satellites in Warfare
Map | Member of ODECON | Wiki | BoF 34 Champion
Guide to II | NS Draftroom | Lineartinc
Designer of Ex-Nation Flag

User avatar
Erastide
Retired Moderator
 
Posts: 1296
Founded: Antiquity
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Erastide » Wed May 20, 2009 3:44 pm

Yeah, the push towards Utopia was a nice underhanded touch on their part.

User avatar
Romanar
Diplomat
 
Posts: 620
Founded: Feb 15, 2006
Compulsory Consumerist State

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Romanar » Wed May 20, 2009 3:53 pm

I can't say I'm surprised. They really f'd up with NS2.

User avatar
Taledonia
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 367
Founded: Jan 08, 2005
Capitalist Paradise

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Taledonia » Wed May 20, 2009 3:59 pm

Quite enjoyable. I knew NS2 was made of fail as soon as I heard how the war feature was going to work. After that, I also realized how poorly the economy simulation was, and generally how poor overall the project was. Shame on Jolt.

User avatar
Sylvonia
Diplomat
 
Posts: 650
Founded: Jun 08, 2007
Democratic Socialists

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Sylvonia » Wed May 20, 2009 4:12 pm

I never did enjoy it. I think my nations lasted all of two weeks before I said enough. Seeing as Jolt doesn't appear to be paying Max anything for NS2, nor do they seem to care much about the players, we can always hope Max will take over NS2 and build it into a proper version that actually makes sense and then find someone to host it who will contribute more than a an innumerable swarm of advertisements.
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I'm not convinced that an individual can be a communist. Oh, an individual might tout the benefits of communism both real and imagined, but to actually practice communism, he really needs some people to practice communism with.

Helertia wrote:
Vojvodina-Nihon wrote:Why do people feed the trolls?

it's the closest thing NSG has to ducks

Person 1 wrote:
Person A wrote:I would have the power to shapeshit.

Thats got to be one of the funniest typos on this site OR one of the most creative yet disturbing replys to any question that I've ever seen.


Don't forget the zombies! And remember, guys that sparkle are NOT into girls.

User avatar
Call to power
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6908
Founded: Apr 13, 2005
Ex-Nation

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Call to power » Wed May 20, 2009 5:03 pm

out of interest does Nationstates actually make any money? the book sales can't be that good surely

because we're a cool site


slanderous lies!
The Parkus Empire wrote:Theoretically, why would anyone put anytime into anything but tobacco, intoxicants and sex?

Vareiln wrote:My god, CtP is right...
Not that you haven't been right before, but... Aw, hell, you get what I meant.

Tubbsalot wrote:replace my opinions with CtP's.
Say whaat

User avatar
Pantera
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 173
Founded: Antiquity
Ex-Nation

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Pantera » Wed May 20, 2009 5:09 pm

The whores. FUCK COMMERCE!!!

Uh, I would assume since NS was associated from the beginning with Jennifer Government that Max spoke with his lawyers and registered some sort of tm on the name? I don't know much of the legalese around things like this, but it seems a good slap in the mouth from Max's lawyers, in the form of a cease and desist letter, would see Jolt's whoremongering come to a stop where his interests are concerned...
Tremble with the dawn, for it heralds the Long Night to come...
Tremble, for He brings the darkness as dusk never could...

Fire and Blood.

User avatar
Justorica
Minister
 
Posts: 3175
Founded: Apr 20, 2009
Ex-Nation

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Justorica » Wed May 20, 2009 5:12 pm

Personally, I think Max Barry should do something legal about this. ( If possible, sue Jolt.)
Justorican Factbook
Map of Justorica
Space Station Andromeda
Left Wing Libertarian
Economic Left: -4.88
Social Libertarian: -2.92
Compass Chart
Basis for ARTEMIS systems
Airforce: 1.18 million
Army: 1.48 million
Navy: 0.3 million
Tanks: 1 million
Aircraft: 0.81 million
Warships: 0.1 million
Submarines: 0.1 million
Aircraft Carriers: 0.05 million
Reserves: 1.15 million (Reserves are calculated in the above branch numbers. The number listed here is the total of the above numbers in the reserves)
Total: 3 million Soldiers| 1.835 million vehicles
Total Justorican Population: 741 Million People

User avatar
Fluffywuffy
Bureaucrat
 
Posts: 55
Founded: Antiquity
Ex-Nation

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Fluffywuffy » Wed May 20, 2009 5:19 pm

This is not surprising, considering NationStates 2 was absolutely retarded. The calculations were horrid.
"Without calculation, economic activity is impossible. Since under Socialism economic calculation is impossible, under Socialism there can be no economic activity in our sense of the word ... All economic change, therefore, would involve operations the value of which could neither be predicted beforehand nor ascertained after they had taken place. Everything would be a leap in the dark. Socialism is the renunciation of rational economy." -- Ludwig von Mises, Socialism


irc://irc.rizon.net/NationStates
Fluffywuffy Order of Battle
Join the Alliance of Socialist Republics Today! You can apply in our Forums.

User avatar
[violet]
Site Admin
 
Posts: 7125
Founded: Antiquity

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby [violet] » Wed May 20, 2009 5:24 pm

Call to power wrote:out of interest does Nationstates actually make any money?

No, but since we went self-hosted we have been able to cover costs from the Google ads.

User avatar
Sylvonia
Diplomat
 
Posts: 650
Founded: Jun 08, 2007
Democratic Socialists

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Sylvonia » Wed May 20, 2009 6:11 pm

Justorica wrote:Personally, I think Max Barry should do something legal about this. ( If possible, sue Jolt.)


That quite possibly could happen. Jolt just kinda ran with Max's idea and churned out some deformed NS/demon spawn. I'm just going to hold out hope that they'll make a real NS2, one that Max has more control over so it turns out better.
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I'm not convinced that an individual can be a communist. Oh, an individual might tout the benefits of communism both real and imagined, but to actually practice communism, he really needs some people to practice communism with.

Helertia wrote:
Vojvodina-Nihon wrote:Why do people feed the trolls?

it's the closest thing NSG has to ducks

Person 1 wrote:
Person A wrote:I would have the power to shapeshit.

Thats got to be one of the funniest typos on this site OR one of the most creative yet disturbing replys to any question that I've ever seen.


Don't forget the zombies! And remember, guys that sparkle are NOT into girls.

User avatar
Goobergunchia
Retired Moderator
 
Posts: 1625
Founded: Antiquity
Ex-Nation

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Goobergunchia » Wed May 20, 2009 7:49 pm

[violet] wrote:
Call to power wrote:out of interest does Nationstates actually make any money?

No, but since we went self-hosted we have been able to cover costs from the Google ads.


So no more juggling kittens in the streets of Melbourne? :twisted:
(+5175 posts from mostly pre-Jolt)
Making NationStates a different place since 17 May 2003.
NSwiki Administrator
Priest of the Council of Ma'at, Osiris
Citizen of the Rejected Realms
Nasicournian Officer
IRC: Goobergunch @ irc.esper.net or irc.gamesurge.net
Sponsor, HR#22, SC#4
Member, UNOG
Timelines: Historical GA SC
Rules: GA SC
NS Forum Moderator
For your forum moderation needs: The Moderation Forum
For your in-game moderation needs: The Getting Help Page
What are the rules? See The One-Stop Rules Shop.
Who are the mods? See the All About Moderators sticky.

User avatar
Daistallia 2104
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 7848
Founded: Jan 14, 2004
Ex-Nation

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Daistallia 2104 » Wed May 20, 2009 9:12 pm

Time to but on my dancing shoes... :twisted:
NSWiki|HP
Stupidity is like nuclear power; it can be used for good or evil, and you don't want to get any on you. - Scott Adams
Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness. - Terry Pratchett
Sometimes the smallest softest voice carries the grand biggest solutions
How our economy really works.
Obama is a conservative, not a liberal, and certainly not a socialist.

User avatar
Daistallia 2104
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 7848
Founded: Jan 14, 2004
Ex-Nation

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Daistallia 2104 » Wed May 20, 2009 9:22 pm

Justorica wrote:Personally, I think Max Barry should do something legal about this. ( If possible, sue Jolt.)


Indeed
NSWiki|HP
Stupidity is like nuclear power; it can be used for good or evil, and you don't want to get any on you. - Scott Adams
Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness. - Terry Pratchett
Sometimes the smallest softest voice carries the grand biggest solutions
How our economy really works.
Obama is a conservative, not a liberal, and certainly not a socialist.

User avatar
Vault 10
Minister
 
Posts: 2471
Founded: Sep 15, 2006
Ex-Nation

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Vault 10 » Wed May 20, 2009 9:30 pm

Pantera wrote:Uh, I would assume since NS was associated from the beginning with Jennifer Government that Max spoke with his lawyers and registered some sort of tm on the name?

When you publish a book, normally, you transfer all the rights to the publisher.
There is a line most people say they will never cross. It is usually something they have done long ago when they thought no one was watching.




User avatar
Barringtonia
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9907
Founded: Feb 05, 2007
Ex-Nation

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Barringtonia » Wed May 20, 2009 9:35 pm

Vault 10 wrote:When you publish a book, normally, you transfer all the rights to the publisher.


Looking at the big Nationstates band at the top of the forums, it has tm there.

I think the explanation was that Max owns the name but Jolt/OMAC owns the actual coding of the game.

As soon as we have new information, you'll be informed. In the meantime, perhaps we could interest you in Utopia Kingdoms?


So, probably no NS2 ever then.
Last edited by Barringtonia on Wed May 20, 2009 9:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I hear babies cry, I watch them grow
They'll learn much more than I'll ever know
And I think to myself, what a wonderful world



User avatar
Xomic
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1272
Founded: Oct 12, 2006
Democratic Socialists

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Xomic » Wed May 20, 2009 9:35 pm

I have to admit I rather enjoy this Utopia game... sort of, I fear it'll probably get old fast, much like NS2 has.

I have mixed feelings about NS2, I liked the way we had a GDP inaddiation to population, but it is pretty disappointing.

I think what I'd like for NS3 or what have you, is maybe a /real/ video game, something like the sims or such, not because I don't enjoy NS1's formate, but because I'd really like to build a nation that 'really' existed.
Factbook
Political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.21
Bottle wrote:You know how kids will sometimes go, "But Mooooooom, I don't want to wait until 6:30 for supper, I'm TOTALLY STARVING!!!" except they really aren't starving at all, and they've never known a moment of true hunger in their entire life?

This thread is like that.

User avatar
Third Spanish States
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1454
Founded: Oct 09, 2007
Ex-Nation

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Third Spanish States » Wed May 20, 2009 10:21 pm

Xomic wrote:I think what I'd like for NS3 or what have you, is maybe a /real/ video game, something like the sims or such, not because I don't enjoy NS1's formate, but because I'd really like to build a nation that 'really' existed.


There was a game developer(Stardock I think) trying to do a MMO under the same basic concept(except it would be on feudal Duchydoms rather than full-fledged nations), but it became vaporware now, and besides it was set in the medieval age. As for a The Sims like game, no thanks. I was thinking more like a Civilization-like game set as a Massively Multiplayer Strategy Game with roleplaying elements, maybe with one server for each tech level or something like that and roleplaying servers as well for people who want to use messaging representing their characters without 1337 speak.

But face it: that is never going to happen.
Last edited by Third Spanish States on Wed May 20, 2009 10:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.
PMT Factbook.
Honoro Sacrificium e Libertas : The Mindset, Jaredcohenia, New-Lexington, Binaria, Varejao, Hogsweat, Franberry, ChevyRocks, Izistan, Ulanpataar, North-Point, The Mindset, Vault 10, Rosbaningrad, Sharfghotten, Tyrandis, South Sharfgotten, Jeuna, Satirius, Zukariaa, Midlauthia et New Nicksyllvania.
Izistan wrote:Third Spanish States is a well known far-right activist so his attempts at humor can only be expected.

Umbagar wrote:%*$#! I put a crack in my screen thanks to the awesome "place fist here" sign. >:(

Lhazastan wrote:if all you want to do is run around being the big badass of a community, not only are you pathetic, but you are a bad RPer

Saxon Germany wrote:[...]you're practically a professional troll, TSS.[...]

User avatar
[violet]
Site Admin
 
Posts: 7125
Founded: Antiquity

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby [violet] » Wed May 20, 2009 11:30 pm

Barringtonia wrote:I think the explanation was that Max owns the name but Jolt/OMAC owns the actual coding of the game.

That's about right.

User avatar
Reploid Productions
Forum Admin
 
Posts: 11346
Founded: Antiquity
Civil Rights Lovefest

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Reploid Productions » Wed May 20, 2009 11:35 pm

I freely admit to having my own bias very firmly against Jolt (see the News post for details as to why), and while I feel bad for the folks who gave NS2 more of a chance than I did, or heaven forbid paid them actual money for their so-called 'premium' extras, mostly I find myself enjoying a malicious sort of glee.

Burn the servers and salt the remains and all that. I just hope other indy game developers learned from what's happening and steer clear of Jolt/OMAC. They've done nothing except add ads and destroy communities with their shoddy work; just look at the people posting here that are celebrating that they can post with their nations now! We'd been trying for years to get uncommunicative Jolt to work with us on fixing that forum integration problem that was systematically screwing users over.

And they want people to pay money to get screwed? Sorry, but if I'm going to pay to get screwed, it's NOT gonna be by a game company.
Forum mod since May 8, 2003 -- Game mod since May 19, 2003
Reppy's DoGA FAQ - For those using DoGA to make their NS military and such
One Stop Rules Shop -- Reppy's Sig Workshop -- Getting Help Page
"Violence is the last resort of the intelligent, and the first resort of the incompetent." - Firefury Amahira
[violet] wrote:Maybe we could power our new search engine from the sexual tension between you two.
Ifreann wrote:Bring Reppy your signet rings, she is our Brony Queen now!

I believe in the magic of friendship, the wholly awesome bronydom, the conventions of fans,
the forgiveness of haters, the resurrection of faith in humanity, and love everlasting.

In nomine poni, et filly, et spiritus stable.

User avatar
Super-Chechnya
Secretary
 
Posts: 28
Founded: Mar 26, 2007
New York Times Democracy

Re: Jolt closes NationStates 2

Postby Super-Chechnya » Thu May 21, 2009 12:51 am

Well, I'm very unsurprised that NS2 has come to this point. That said, New isn't always better.

NationStates Classic has been a true classic, and it always will be.
Last edited by Super-Chechnya on Thu May 21, 2009 12:53 am, edited 1 time in total.

Next

Remove ads

Return to Archives

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Travelling Blue Box

Remove ads