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What do you believe?

Yes, it's okay.
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No, it's no okay.
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Vetalia
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:06 pm

The Soviet Technocracy wrote:George S. Patton did it.


That was under pretty extraordinary circumstances, though. Anybody's nerves could have easily frayed and led to violence with those kinds of pressures exerted upon them.
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Postby The Soviet Technocracy » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:07 pm

Vetalia wrote:
The Soviet Technocracy wrote:George S. Patton did it.


That was under pretty extraordinary circumstances, though. Anybody's nerves could have easily frayed and led to violence with those kinds of pressures exerted upon them.


Slapping a dude for having PTSD and calling him a cowardly bastard is a result of pressure? I thought it was a result of ignorance, but mmmkay.
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Postby Republicke » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:09 pm

Probably not a popular answer, but I reckon' it depends on circumstances.
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:09 pm

The Soviet Technocracy wrote:Slapping a dude for having PTSD and calling him a cowardly bastard is a result of pressure? I thought it was a result of ignorance, but mmmkay.


Oh sure, ignorance played a part...but when you've been fighting for a while and seen many of your soldiers killed or maimed your sense of compassion for others is dulled, especially if they've been hospitalized for a poorly understood condition while others who have seemingly suffered worse continue to carry on. It's easy to get frustrated and snap at the "coward".
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Postby Banold » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:10 pm

No one has the right to initiate force against another.

Unless it was a defensive action, hitting is never ok, regardless of the relation. Raping your wife is never ok either.

You simply are not entitled to strike another human being...
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Postby Cosmopoles » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:10 pm

Arborlawn wrote:Honesty, I believe that SHE can hit HIM as long as HE can hit HER, and vice versa. If either brake the law about it, they go to jail if it is done a night, or they both get fined if done during the day. No bruises, no broken bones, no extreme brutality.


Again, what sort of situation is violence an acceptable response to?

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Postby Dakini » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:11 pm

If it's consensual (like, really consensual*) then it's not abuse. If it isn't then it is.

*by which I mean she doesn't just put up with it because she's been emotionally abused into compliance, but actually wants this to happen or is willing to put up with it because she knows her partner enjoys it

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Postby The Soviet Technocracy » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:12 pm

Vetalia wrote:
The Soviet Technocracy wrote:Slapping a dude for having PTSD and calling him a cowardly bastard is a result of pressure? I thought it was a result of ignorance, but mmmkay.


Oh sure, ignorance played a part...but when you've been fighting for a while and seen many of your soldiers killed or maimed your sense of compassion for others is dulled, especially if they've been hospitalized for a poorly understood condition while others who have seemingly suffered worse continue to carry on. It's easy to get frustrated and snap at the "coward".


Pretty sociopathic tbqh.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:13 pm

Err. If I tried that on my wife :shock:

She would probably slit my throat from ear to ear.......
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:14 pm

The Soviet Technocracy wrote:Pretty sociopathic tbqh.


War can do that to you...
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Postby Hazvex » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:16 pm

The Soviet Technocracy wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
Oh sure, ignorance played a part...but when you've been fighting for a while and seen many of your soldiers killed or maimed your sense of compassion for others is dulled, especially if they've been hospitalized for a poorly understood condition while others who have seemingly suffered worse continue to carry on. It's easy to get frustrated and snap at the "coward".


Pretty sociopathic tbqh.


Honestly for all my respect for the man's tactics and will Patton was a sociopath.

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Postby Neo Art » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:17 pm

How about we get rid of this nonsensical bullshit and just say that it's illegal for one adult to strike another adult outside of self-defense without the consent of the other, and leave it at that?
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Postby Republicke » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:18 pm

Cosmopoles wrote:
Arborlawn wrote:Honesty, I believe that SHE can hit HIM as long as HE can hit HER, and vice versa. If either brake the law about it, they go to jail if it is done a night, or they both get fined if done during the day. No bruises, no broken bones, no extreme brutality.


Again, what sort of situation is violence an acceptable response to?


What if it's the only way you can communicate a particular sentiment?
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Postby Zeth Rekia » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:18 pm

If you spank me I'm going to spank you back.

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Postby Panzerjaeger » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:18 pm

Neo Art wrote:How about we get rid of this nonsensical bullshit and just say that it's illegal for one adult to strike another adult outside of self-defense without the consent of the other, and leave it at that?

What if the Woman craves nay NEEDS discipline at the end of my fists called, "Justice and HammerZeit!"?
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Postby Bottle » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:19 pm

Neo Art wrote:How about we get rid of this nonsensical bullshit and just say that it's illegal for one adult to strike another adult outside of self-defense without the consent of the other, and leave it at that?

Are you suggesting that pledging to love, honor, and cherish somebody should NOT magically absolve you from abiding by the laws that prohibit assaulting that person?!

You're weird.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:20 pm

Spousal abuse is not ok, no matter if it is from husband to wife or from wife to husband.
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Postby Dakini » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:21 pm

Neo Art wrote:How about we get rid of this nonsensical bullshit and just say that it's illegal for one adult to strike another adult outside of self-defense without the consent of the other, and leave it at that?

Aren't there still states in the US where it's legally impossible to rape your spouse (since obviously, your spouse must always put out when you want sex)?

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Postby Panzerjaeger » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:22 pm

Dakini wrote:
Neo Art wrote:How about we get rid of this nonsensical bullshit and just say that it's illegal for one adult to strike another adult outside of self-defense without the consent of the other, and leave it at that?

Aren't there still states in the US where it's legally impossible to rape your spouse (since obviously, your spouse must always put out when you want sex)?

Fascinating. If this is true I have some honeymoon locations to think over. :lol:
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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:24 pm

Vetalia wrote:
The Soviet Technocracy wrote:We did back in the fifties.


What kind of upstanding man would allow his employer to hit him?

black men in the south had no recourse if their white employer struck them
whatever

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Postby The Norwegian Blue » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:24 pm

Bottle wrote:
Neo Art wrote:How about we get rid of this nonsensical bullshit and just say that it's illegal for one adult to strike another adult outside of self-defense without the consent of the other, and leave it at that?

Are you suggesting that pledging to love, honor, and cherish somebody should NOT magically absolve you from abiding by the laws that prohibit assaulting that person?!

You're weird.


I know, right?

Even beyond the incredibly creepy views on marriage that would make a marriage contract into a "you can now hit me without my consent" contract, I'm deeply disturbed by the legal precedent such an idea would set - that, fundamentally, the criminality of an act is not determined by what the act was or what the motive for the act was or what the circumstances surrounding the act were, but simply who the victim is. That's fucked up.
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:27 pm

Ashmoria wrote:black men in the south had no recourse if their white employer struck them


That's fucked up.
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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:27 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:black men in the south had no recourse if their white employer struck them


That's fucked up.

extremely.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:27 pm

Panzerjaeger wrote:
Dakini wrote:Aren't there still states in the US where it's legally impossible to rape your spouse (since obviously, your spouse must always put out when you want sex)?

Fascinating. If this is true I have some honeymoon locations to think over. :lol:


Here in AR, legally, a man can hit his wife, as long as it was done at the town square and no more than once a month. I'm sure this is a throwback from the 40s and I hope the law is revised because, frankly, it's sad and ridiculous at the same time.
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Postby Central Slavia » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:28 pm

Laws like this are just silliness... Abuse is one thing, and should be persecuted , but spanking and minor such things are nothing that the law should poke its nose into - it's normal for people who live together for extended time periods to get pissed enough at each other.
Besides, a lot of people deserves a slap quite often, especially during arguments.
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