Communism!A Dream or a Ideology?

[Mikedor]

But if the janitor didn't keep the lab clean how could the biochemist do his work?

What if the janitor didn't clean the toilets and the biochemist became ill and died from that before his work was done?


Everyone plays a role.

Who cant clean a lab? There is a whole pool of manpower who can do it however a small percentage of manpower can do the task of biochemist.
The pay depends on the usefulness of skill, which in turn depends upon the scarcity of the skill.

A large percentage of manpower is capable of doing a lot of the work of a biochemist, for example the process of serial dilution. Simple, mechanical, repetitive.

And why should the biochemist receive all the credit when others will be doing lots of the work?

[Reoy]

But if the janitor didn't keep the lab clean how could the biochemist do his work?

What if the janitor didn't clean the toilets and the biochemist became ill and died from that before his work was done?


Everyone plays a role.

Who cant clean a lab? There is a whole pool of manpower who can do it however a small percentage of manpower can do the task of biochemist.
The pay depends on the usefulness of skill, which in turn depends upon the scarcity of the skill.

Let's mix things up a little. Say the biochemist has no children, and the janitor has three. Does the janitor deserve more funds to care for his children? How many biochemists would tip the janitor living wage? Do his children deserve to be taken away by the state to be cared for elsewhere? Killed?

[Great Nepal]

Who cant clean a lab? There is a whole pool of manpower who can do it however a small percentage of manpower can do the task of biochemist.
The pay depends on the usefulness of skill, which in turn depends upon the scarcity of the skill.

A large percentage of manpower is capable of doing a lot of the work of a biochemist, for example the process of serial dilution. Simple, mechanical, repetitive.

All the work of biochemist?

And why should the biochemist receive all the credit when others will be doing lots of the work?

Because he is the one who did the main task. Main task wasn't to clean the lab, it wasn't to bring the tea, it wasn't to make toilet clean, it was to research and develop "x".

[Georgism]

This is getting ridiculous. This is yet another thread where I agree with Great Nepal.

Someone check the weather in Hell

[Mikedor]

A large percentage of manpower is capable of doing a lot of the work of a biochemist, for example the process of serial dilution. Simple, mechanical, repetitive.

All the work of biochemist?

And why should the biochemist receive all the credit when others will be doing lots of the work?

Because he is the one who did the main task. Main task wasn't to clean the lab, it wasn't to bring the tea, it wasn't to make toilet clean, it was to research and develop "x".

But the biochemist couldn't research and develop x without the support of literally thousands. Those who built his house, maintain the infrastructure he uses, grow his food, transport it, sell it, clean the building, handle his paperwork, keep him healthy, did the previous work in the field, do the boring parts that he is able to delegate, build his equipment, make his clothes; the list is endless.

[Georgism]

But the biochemist couldn't research and develop x without the support of literally thousands. Those who built his house, maintain the infrastructure he uses, grow his food, transport it, sell it, clean the building, handle his paperwork, keep him healthy, did the previous work in the field, do the boring parts that he is able to delegate, build his equipment, make his clothes; the list is endless.

Yes.

[Great Nepal]

All the work of biochemist?


Because he is the one who did the main task. Main task wasn't to clean the lab, it wasn't to bring the tea, it wasn't to make toilet clean, it was to research and develop "x".

But the biochemist couldn't research and develop x without the support of literally thousands. Those who built his house, maintain the infrastructure he uses, grow his food, transport it, sell it, clean the building, handle his paperwork, keep him healthy, did the previous work in the field, do the boring parts that he is able to delegate, build his equipment, make his clothes; the list is endless.

All of them got the credit for the work they did (paid) accordingly.

[Reoy]

Who cant clean a lab? There is a whole pool of manpower who can do it however a small percentage of manpower can do the task of biochemist.
The pay depends on the usefulness of skill, which in turn depends upon the scarcity of the skill.

A large percentage of manpower is capable of doing a lot of the work of a biochemist, for example the process of serial dilution. Simple, mechanical, repetitive.

And why should the biochemist receive all the credit when others will be doing lots of the work?

That's a bad argument. Biochemist is a specialized job that requires university education.

[Coffin-Breathe]

And why should the biochemist receive all the credit when others will be doing lots of the work?

Because he is the one who did the main task. Main task wasn't to clean the lab, it wasn't to bring the tea, it wasn't to make toilet clean, it was to research and develop "x".

...but only a clean (sterile) lab enables said biochemist to fulfill his tasks; so the janitor´s job is as important as the biochemist´s for the task !

[Great Nepal]

Because he is the one who did the main task. Main task wasn't to clean the lab, it wasn't to bring the tea, it wasn't to make toilet clean, it was to research and develop "x".

...but only a clean (sterile) lab enables said biochemist to fulfill his tasks; so the janitor´s job is as important as the biochemist´s for the task !

As said before, anyone can do that job so it isn't as scarce whereas job of biochemist is.

[Georgism]

...but only a clean (sterile) lab enables said biochemist to fulfill his tasks; so the janitor´s job is as important as the biochemist´s for the task !

Yes, his job is important. However the skills necessary for the job are not scarce. He is paid the correct amount for the work he does.

[Reoy]

...but only a clean (sterile) lab enables said biochemist to fulfill his tasks; so the janitor´s job is as important as the biochemist´s for the task !

Yes, his job is important. However the skills necessary for the job are not scarce. He is paid the correct amount for the work he does.

Many biochemists can only get that pay as a result of government funding for research.

[Great Nepal]

Yes, his job is important. However the skills necessary for the job are not scarce. He is paid the correct amount for the work he does.

Many biochemists can only get that pay as a result of government funding for research.

Irrelevant.

[Georgism]

Yes, his job is important. However the skills necessary for the job are not scarce. He is paid the correct amount for the work he does.

Many biochemists can only get that pay as a result of government funding for research.

Indeed, that or a private company.

[Coffin-Breathe]

As said before, anyone can do that job so it isn't as scarce whereas job of biochemist is.

...aah, but anyone can do the job of a president of the US; care to explain, why the one person having this job is protected, honoured and paid like she couldn´t be replaced ?

[Great Nepal]

As said before, anyone can do that job so it isn't as scarce whereas job of biochemist is.

...aah, but anyone can do the job of a president of the US; care to explain, why the one person having this job is protected, honoured and paid like she couldn´t be replaced ?

Oh really? Perhaps you should try it then... Lets see how long it lasts.

[Georgism]

As said before, anyone can do that job so it isn't as scarce whereas job of biochemist is.

...aah, but anyone can do the job of a president of the US; care to explain, why the one person having this job is protected, honoured and paid like she couldn´t be replaced ?

Theoretically anyone could. In practise you have to be very good at what you do to rise to such political heights.

[Coffin-Breathe]

...I guess, you wouldn´t like it, and then, I´m not American - but I´d say, every citizen of the States is qualified to become potus, and, just to remind you, that´s one of the basic conceptions of your democracy !

[Coffin-Breathe]

Theoretically anyone could. In practise you have to be very good at what you do to rise to such political heights.

...better said, in practice some has to amass a lot of supporting money and mighty allys to become elected - especially in the States !

[Georgism]

...I guess, you wouldn´t like it, and then, I´m not American - but I´d say, every citizen of the States is qualified to become potus, and, just to remind you, that´s one of the basic conceptions of your democracy !

I'm British

But yes, they're qualified, just as every citizen is qualified to become Prim Minister here.

But being qualified doesn't mean you get the job.

[Great Nepal]

...I guess, you wouldn´t like it, and then, I´m not American - but I´d say, every citizen of the States is qualified to become potus, and, just to remind you, that´s one of the basic conceptions of your democracy !

They are qualified in theory? Sure
In reality? Not really.

Once you are president, each decision you take has hundreds of consequences. You take one decision to make one side happy, other will come out in streets. You take a decision regrading foreign nation, it will have consequences for decades.

[Georgism]

...better said, in practice some has to amass a lot of supporting money and mighty alleys to become elected - especially in the States !

Aye, exactly. There's tonnes you've got to be responsible for as president/prime minister or anything. I mean look at how many people hate Obama. They don't just dislike him or decide they just won't vote for him, they have an actual seething hatred of the man.

[Sibirsky]

...I guess, you wouldn´t like it, and then, I´m not American - but I´d say, every citizen of the States is qualified to become potus, and, just to remind you, that´s one of the basic conceptions of your democracy !

No it isn't. Not every citizen is qualified. I am a citizen and I am not qualified, because of 2 separate issues. One issue will be taken care of in 5 years, the other, never. I don't want the job anyway.

[Coffin-Breathe]

...no need for a job description, I guess, I could handle it easily - like most people

[Coffin-Breathe]

Sorry, my p&p rp-session starts in a few minutes - see y´all later, maybe