Peace between Israel and Palestine?

[Secruss]

Unlikely... :/

Arrogant Israelis? They pull out of Gaza and then get shot by rockets? Suicide bombers? Etc?

[Zivenzia]

ice video. i haven't seen propoganda that blatant or that many lies packed into one space since watching Hitler's Nazi and Stalins Soviet propoganda movies when I was in University.

It has constantly and consistently been the arabs attacking Israel first, with Israeli retaliating. What would you have Israel do? Not respond to being attacked?

[Grays Harbor]

Hey, Apologists. Nowhere did I say that Only muslims can be or are terrorists. However, I believe that if you checked, during the past decade at least 80% of all terror attacks have been carried out by muslim extremists. If you can't see that, then you are just willfully blinkered to reality.

Israel did not create the situation as it currently is. They have been attacked at every turn for the past 60 years. They have acted defensively. They are not the instigators here.

That video link posted was mindless propoganda of the worst type. They may as well have accused the Israelis for the spread of HIV/AIDS and reality TV as well, because they accused them of every other kind of evil in the world. You call Israel "arrogant" for wanting to defend themselves against attack. If your home were surrounded by hostile neighbors who daily smashed and destroyed whatever they could while repeatedly declaring they want nothing but your destruction, how would you react? Invite them over for tea and bisquits?

Peace in the middle east is indeed a good goal, but I fear that the creation of a seperate Palestinian state will not stop the violence. That will never happen until the extremists achieve their goal of removing Israel from the map.

[Triniteras]

However, I believe that if you checked, during the past decade at least 80% of all terror attacks have been carried out by muslim extremists. If you can't see that, then you are just willfully blinkered to reality.

Show me.

[Oyen]

Lol he doesnt need to show you since everybody knows that, and Gray your being too kind 80% wtr... more like 90%. lol

The once at fault are the muslims that we know, nomatter what you guys say theres always going to be "actual facts" backing up the Israelis. Let it be on who territory it is, (which we know its the Jews [read the conversation i had with Sheila] if you havent already) Who fault on starting the conficlt, and etc...

I simpathis alot with the Jews for all the STRUGGLE they been throught basically all their life, being kicked from their homes, alot of persecutions, and ect... now when they manage to get it back they got the whole "muslim" world against them. All they have tried to do is defend themselves, their "existance". Israel is getting attacked just becaued they are jews. Now Israel is the only country in the WORLD that is a jewsish state, The only country in the world where being a jew is never a problem. (in others ways that very small place is a Haven for them) Any ways im not going to keep talking about this part.

I suggest those who think the Palestinians and the arab-muslim world is right, dont even try cause i got facts backing up my points.

PS: My best bud is Palestinian after i showed him my proof on the matter he complete changed his mind.

[Unilisia]

I will overwhelm Israel and Palestine to conquer them an stop the fighting.

[Grays Harbor]

I will overwhelm Israel and Palestine to conquer them an stop the fighting.

you realize this is not IC, right?

[Ventei]

Sheila Anteres and StorminNormin are correct.

And their videos are profound and enlightening and here is one more to add to the list: The Neo Holocaust

I have no idea what you other zionist advocates are trying to claim, what you are saying is a disgraceful way to think. You need to experience even one day in the life of an ordinary Palestinian, especially one that lives in Gaza; then you would be singing a different tune.

And Oyen, what facts are you claiming?! You mean more zionist lies & falsehoods? Thats total BS!

[Grays Harbor]

Sheila Anteres and StorminNormin are correct.

And their videos are profound and enlightening and here is one more to add to the list: The Neo Holocaust

I have no idea what you other zionist advocates are trying to claim, what you are saying is a disgraceful way to think. You need to experience even one day in the life of an ordinary Palestinian, especially one that lives in Gaza; then you would be singing a different tune.

And Oyen, what facts are you claiming?! You mean more zionist lies & falsehoods? Thats total BS!

thank you. i needed a good chuckle from an obviously deluded person this evening. After all, those really aren't rockets that hamas fires at Israel on a daily basis, they are bread baskets, and the suicide bombers are really world peace advocates beset with spontaneous human combustion syndrome.

and the only "disgraceful way to think" is to be an apologist for terrorists who knowingly target civilians for their own political purposes.

[Oratiana]

However, I believe that if you checked, during the past decade at least 80% of all terror attacks have been carried out by muslim extremists. If you can't see that, then you are just willfully blinkered to reality.

Show me.

while i don't have any statistics like 90% or anything, i can give you a short list:

1985
* June 14: TWA flight 847 hijacking. 1 killed.
* Oct. 7: Oct. 10: Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacking by the PLO, during which passenger Leon Klinghoffer is shot dead.
* Nov. 23: EgyptAir flight 648 hijacked by Abu Nidal group, flown to Malta, where Egyptian commandos storm plane; 60 are killed by gunfire and explosions.
* Dec. 27: Rome and Vienna airport attacks. 18 civilians killed, 138 civilians injured.

1986
* April 2: TWA flight 840 bombed on approach to Athens airport; four passengers, including an infant, are killed.
* April 6: the La Belle discotheque in Berlin, a known hangout for US soldiers, is bombed, killing 3 and injuring 230 people.
* Sept. 5: Pan Am flight 73 is hijacked; 22 people die when plane is stormed in Karachi Pakistan.

1988
* Dec. 21: Pan Am flight 103 bombing over lockerbie, Scotland. 270 people died

1989
* Sept. 19: suitcase bomb destroys UTA flight UT-772 en route to Paris, killing all 171 passengers and crew.

death toll so far: 550

approx number of injured so far: 338

would you like me to post a list of some of the attacks from the 90's? oh, and would you care to provide the information for the christian extremist attacks for the past 20 years?

[Triniteras]

Alright, now show me the deaths caused by the Zionists and their constituents.

[Zivenzia]

this is just from April of this year:

April 2009
Jihad Attacks: 158
Countries: 15
Religions: 5
Dead: 715
Critically Injured: 1135

2009.05.16 (Grozny, Chechnya) - Four people are killed by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2009.05.16 (Peshawar, Pakistan) - Women and children are among those murdered when Islamists bomb a commercial district near an Internet cafe.
2009.05.16 (Baghdad, Iraq) - A child is killed when Muslim terrorists lob a mortar into a family home.
2009.05.16 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Jihad bombers take our four Iraqis in two attacks.
2009.05.15 (Kupwara, India) - Mujahideen shoot two civilians to death in their home.
2009.05.15 (Kupwara, India) - A park ranger is kidnapped and beheaded by Islamic extremists.


April 2009
Christian Attacks: none I could find evidence of
Countries: 0
Religions: 0
Dead: 0
Critically Injured: 0

bit of a disparity there.

[Triniteras]

I said Zionists, but don't worry, Christianity will have it's time again.
I should also like evidence for these attacks having been done by "Islamists".

[Zivenzia]

I said Zionists, but don't worry, Christianity will have it's time again.
I should also like evidence for these attacks having been done by "Islamists".

you are being a troll and an apologist for terrorists. you are presented with evidence, and you still try to deny it. I will not respond to you anymore because your opinion is quite obviously so biased and blinded by hatred as to be worthless.

myself and others point out facts, all you can do is throw insults and say "prove it".

I guess the fact that they are who they claim to be when making the attacks means nothing to people like you. either that or you have somehow deluded yourself into believing they are really jews in clever disguises doing this to discredit the muslims, right?

what a maroon.

[Saint Jade IV]

this is just from April of this year:

April 2009
Jihad Attacks: 158
Countries: 15
Religions: 5
Dead: 715
Critically Injured: 1135

2009.05.16 (Grozny, Chechnya) - Four people are killed by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2009.05.16 (Peshawar, Pakistan) - Women and children are among those murdered when Islamists bomb a commercial district near an Internet cafe.
2009.05.16 (Baghdad, Iraq) - A child is killed when Muslim terrorists lob a mortar into a family home.
2009.05.16 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Jihad bombers take our four Iraqis in two attacks.
2009.05.15 (Kupwara, India) - Mujahideen shoot two civilians to death in their home.
2009.05.15 (Kupwara, India) - A park ranger is kidnapped and beheaded by Islamic extremists.


April 2009
Christian Attacks: none I could find evidence of
Countries: 0
Religions: 0
Dead: 0
Critically Injured: 0

bit of a disparity there.

And what the hell does that have to do with the Palestine Israel issue?

[Oratiana]

Alright, now show me the deaths caused by the Zionists and their constituents.

why don't you show us? we're showing you that a large number of the TERRORIST (using the FBI's definition of terrorist) actions in the past 20+ years have been committed by muslim extremists, not by christian extremists or other religious fanatics (not that they don't exist, just that they are rare, especially when compared to the actions of islamic extremists).

1985
* June 14: TWA flight 847 hijacking. 1 killed. Hezbollah specialist Magnus Ranstorp of the University of St. Andrews, credits "leading Hezbollah members Hassan Izz-Al-Din (later involved in the Kuwait flight 422 hijacking in 1988) and Mohammed Ali Hammadi whose brother was one of the heads of the Hezbollah SSA (Special Security Apparatus). Iran assisting Hezballah operatives in the "supervision and planning of the incident itself and as an active participant in the defusion and resolution."

* Oct. 7: Oct. 10: Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacking by the PLO, during which passenger Leon Klinghoffer is shot dead. the reason this hijacking took place was to get isreal to free 50 palestinian prisoners. it was committed by palestinians representing the PLF.

* Nov. 23: EgyptAir flight 648 hijacked by Abu Nidal group, flown to Malta, where Egyptian commandos storm plane; 60 are killed by gunfire and explosions.

* Dec. 27: Rome and Vienna airport attacks. 18 civilians killed, 138 civilians injured. Responsibility for the terrorist attack was later claimed by the Abu Nidal Organization (ANO) who claimed it was in retaliation for Operation Wooden Leg, the Israeli bombing of PLO headquarters in Tunis on October 1.

1986
* April 2: TWA flight 840 bombed on approach to Athens airport; four passengers, including an infant, are killed. A group calling itself the Arab Revolutionary Cells claimed responsibility, saying it was committed because of "American arrogance" and clashes with Libya in the Gulf of Sidra the week before. Investigators concluded that the bomb contained one pound of plastic explosive. It is suspected it had been placed under the seat cushion on a previous journey by a Lebanese woman (later arrested, never convicted) who worked for the Abu Nidal Organisation, which was opposed to the peace process.

* April 6: the La Belle discotheque in Berlin, a known hangout for US soldiers, is bombed, killing 3 and injuring 230 people. Libya was blamed for the bombing after telex messages had been intercepted from Libya to the Libyan East Berlin embassy congratulating them on a job well done.

* Sept. 5: Pan Am flight 73 is hijacked; 22 people die when plane is stormed in Karachi Pakistan. hijacked on September 5, 1986, by four armed men of the Abu Nidal Organization.

1988
* Dec. 21: Pan Am flight 103 bombing over lockerbie, Scotland. 270 people died. indictments for murder were issued on 13 November 1991 against Abdel Basset Ali al-Megrahi, a Libyan intelligence officer and the head of security for Libyan Arab Airlines (LAA), and Lamin Khalifah Fhimah, the LAA station manager in Luqa Airport, Malta.
1989
* Sept. 19: suitcase bomb destroys UTA flight UT-772 en route to Paris, killing all 171 passengers and crew. Initial speculation over which groups might have been responsible for destroying UTA Flight 772 centered upon Islamic Jihad, who were quick to claim responsibility for the attack, and the "Secret Chadian Resistance" rebel group, which opposed president Hissen Habré

your turn, show us what you've been trying to tell us.

[Triniteras]

I said Zionists, but don't worry, Christianity will have it's time again.
I should also like evidence for these attacks having been done by "Islamists".

you are being a troll and an apologist for terrorists. you are presented with evidence, and you still try to deny it. I will not respond to you anymore because your opinion is quite obviously so biased and blinded by hatred as to be worthless.

myself and others point out facts, all you can do is throw insults and say "prove it".

I guess the fact that they are who they claim to be when making the attacks means nothing to people like you. either that or you have somehow deluded yourself into believing they are really jews in clever disguises doing this to discredit the muslims, right?

what a maroon.

You showed things that are quite likely to have happened. But you have nothing to suggest that it was done by "Islamists".

christian extremists or other religious fanatics

They are coming. Tomorrow.

[Ventei]

After all, those really aren't rockets that hamas fires at Israel on a daily basis, they are bread baskets, and the suicide bombers are really world peace advocates beset with spontaneous human combustion syndrome.

and the only "disgraceful way to think" is to be an apologist for terrorists who knowingly target civilians for their own political purposes.

Ha Ha,

You are the deluded and demented person here.

You should check international law before you spew your quackery here. Under INTERNATIONAL LAW: UN resolution #242 & 338 individuals under occupation have the RIGHT to resist occupation BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY! The Palestinians are under the most brutal, repressive and oppressive occupation in history. And EVERY single israeli is an occupier of Palestinian land and part of the systematic & endemic occupation.

And what "civilian targets" ? ! Apart from being occupiers, NO israeli above the age of 18 is a civilian! israel is a conscript nation, every citizen once they reach between the ages of 16-18 is required by israeli law to enter military service! They are soldiers of oppression & occupation! NO such thing as an "israeli civilian" nor innocent israeli.

Go learn some facts first before you post, I've better things to do than to clean up your zionist rubbish.

[Yootopia]

Lol he doesnt need to show you since everybody knows that, and Gray your being too kind 80% wtr... more like 90%. lol

Lord's Resistance Army much?

[Ferrous Oxide]

Lol he doesnt need to show you since everybody knows that, and Gray your being too kind 80% wtr... more like 90%. lol

Lord's Resistance Army much?

That's not quite Christian. It's apparently a mixture of various aspects of Christianity, Islam, African traditional religion and other bits and pieces, put together by a cult leader.

[Ferrous Oxide]

The Palestinians are under the most brutal, repressive and oppressive occupation in history.

Die Fahne hoch! Die Reihen fest geschlossen! Sing with me everybody! SA marschiert...

israel is a conscript nation, every citizen once they reach between the ages of 16-18 is required by israeli law to enter military service! They are soldiers of oppression & occupation! NO such thing as an "israeli civilian" nor innocent israeli.

So is Switzerland. Does that give up free reign to bomb them into oblivion?

Go learn some facts first before you post, I've better things to do than to clean up your zionist rubbish.

Leave, then.

[Grays Harbor]

Go learn some facts first before you post, I've better things to do than to clean up your zionist rubbish.

and i have better things to do than continue to point out reality to a blithering idiot racist such as yourself. I point out facts, you spew racist propoganda.

[Nvad]

I love how this turned from a political debate into one which emphasizes the 'true' owners of the land.

[Nvad]

And then spiraled into a religious rampage.

[Oratiana]

I love how this turned from a political debate into one which emphasizes the 'true' owners of the land.

well, that's the biggest issue in the isreal/palestine conflict. who "truely" owns the land. and there can't really be peace until that's decisively determined. even then the other side will say "nuh, uh, that's not true!" or "well that might be true, but THIS shows WE were here first!".

And then spiraled into a religious rampage.

i'll admit my mistake in contributing to thread derailment, and if the original poster wants me to, and i'll stop derailing this thread any further. if someone wants to debate about is islam, terrorism, or anything else, create a seperate thread.