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Previously, on the Ukrainian War...

We encourage everyone to consult their preferred news sources for up-to-date news. As it stands, the situation is changing. The Russians have adjusted their goals, concentrating on the east and the south, while showering Ukraine with missile strikes and artillery barrages. The Ukrainians have counterattacked and regained territory, not to the point of evicting the Russians but enough to make them think. And all the while, the shadow of Pyrrhus looms over Bakhmut...¹ Prigozhin has taken the mantle of Horus Lupercal...² it seems there is blood in the river Moskva...³ we see what might be Putin cleaning house...⁴ Pyrrhus' shade returns...⁵

First (I will never participate in this or any else probably)

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Posting just so that I can follow the thread

how much has the frontline moved in the last 4 months? it seems like it's pretty deadlocked, but I haven't been following it.

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:how much has the frontline moved in the last 4 months? it seems like it's pretty deadlocked, but I haven't been following it.

For the moment, the only serious movement has been around Bakhmut, yes.

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:how much has the frontline moved in the last 4 months? it seems like it's pretty deadlocked, but I haven't been following it.

The made some progress in Bakhmut.. then lost some progress.. made a slight counter attack in eastern Kharkiv Oblast.. thats it.

We made it this far, eh?

Anyway Wagner claimed the capture of Bakhmut lol

Northern Seleucia wrote:We made it this far, eh?

Anyway Wagner claimed the capture of Bakhmut lol

Not trusting Wagner Group whatsoever.

Washington-Columbia wrote:

Northern Seleucia wrote:We made it this far, eh?

Anyway Wagner claimed the capture of Bakhmut lol

Not trusting Wagner Group whatsoever.

Truth is the first casualty in war. We probably shouldn't believe anybody.

Northern Seleucia wrote:We made it this far, eh?

Anyway Wagner claimed the capture of Bakhmut lol

The great thing about capturing a city is that the exact requirements for what counts as capturing it are nebulous, so you can claim to have captured it as many times as you want.

How many times has the Voyager probes left the Solar System again?

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:how much has the frontline moved in the last 4 months? it seems like it's pretty deadlocked, but I haven't been following it.

Yup. General Mud's forces still hold the battlefield.

The Russians (and the Wanger mercs) control nearly all of the Bakhmut, but the Ukranians have retaken flanking positions north and south of the city. Both sides of have lost plenty of soldiers in the fighting, but the Russians apparently took the worst of it. But that's what ya get for trying offensives in urban areas against dug-in defenders who know the terrain.

The neighborhood of Bakhmut is such a microscopic territory...
To some extent, I am surprised by these maps, on which Prigozhin occupied several new yards and the Armed Forces of Ukraine recaptured a couple of suburban wastelands from some Russian company. As if who controls Baba Luba's garden is a worthwhile topic for popular discussion.

Bakhmut itself is taken if you only consider the city limits, but a fierce battle is ongoing in its vicinity, particularly on the flanks.

Ioudaia wrote:

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:how much has the frontline moved in the last 4 months? it seems like it's pretty deadlocked, but I haven't been following it.

Yup. General Mud's forces still hold the battlefield.

The Russians (and the Wanger mercs) control nearly all of the Bakhmut, but the Ukranians have retaken flanking positions north and south of the city. Both sides of have lost plenty of soldiers in the fighting, but the Russians apparently took the worst of it. But that's what ya get for trying offensives in urban areas against dug-in defenders who know the terrain.

Ukraine is also conducting shaping operations for the counter-offensive throughout the front, so far the Russians think the counter-offensive could come from... anywhere and in any direction. So I would say that they've been relatively successful in keeping the enemy off balance.

Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:

Northern Seleucia wrote:We made it this far, eh?

Anyway Wagner claimed the capture of Bakhmut lol

The great thing about capturing a city is that the exact requirements for what counts as capturing it are nebulous, so you can claim to have captured it as many times as you want.

How many times has the Voyager probes left the Solar System again?

The solar system’s end is obviously wherever the Voyager probes happen to be, as all of space is rightful human territory.

That said I feel like Bakhmut is reasonably conquered in the technical sense (Russia has the land) but not in the general (Ukraine still meaningfully contests the area to an extent).

Reposting for new thread:

So List of Russian Lies about the war in Ukraine:

Claimed that the Russian army was strong enough to reach Berlin within 48 hours.
Claimed that the Russian army was strong enough to reach Kyiv within 48 hours.
Claimed that they wouldn't invade Ukraine.
Claimed that claims that Russia was planning to invade Ukraine was a NATO false flag.
Claimed in February that Ukraine had been attempting to use a car bomb to blow up a Luhansk official or a train full of Russian civilians in Luhansk, using footage from 2019.
Claimed in February that Polish Mercenaries had attempted to murder Donetsk civilians in a chemical weapons attack. using audio footage from 2010.
Claimed that the Ukrainian army wouldn't fight back and they'd only face scattered resistance from Nazis.
Claimed that the Ukrainian airforce was destroyed completely on the first day.
Claimed that NATO forced Russia to attack Ukraine.
Claimed that NATO was planning an invasion of Russia through Ukraine.
Claimed that the Kyiv Regime was going to surrender in February
Claimed that Russia would nuke the west if the west sent Ukraine Aid.
Claimed that they have won the war and Ukraine will now be part of Russia.... three days in.
Claimed that Zelensky had fled to Poland.
Claimed that Russia was about to Cauldron the entire Ukrainian army in the east in March.
Claimed that Russia would nuke the west if the west sent Ukraine military aid.
Claimed that Mariupol was taken.... in February.
Claimed that Mariupol was taken.... in March.
Claimed that Mariupol was taken.... in April.
Claimed that the Russian economy wasn't suffering.
Claimed that Russia would bring consequences if NATO invited Finland and Sweden to join NATO.
Claimed that the proof of the lack of victory is evidence that everyone in Ukraine is a Nazi who needs 30 years of forced rehabilitation and gulaging.
Claimed they were not killing civilians.
Claimed that Bucha was done by British Soldiers.
Claimed that Bucha was done by Azov Neo Nazis.
Claimed that Bucha was done by Ukrainian Artillery.
Claimed that Bucha never happened all the bodies were brought in.
Claimed that Russia was about to Cauldron the entire Ukrainian army in the east in April.
Claimed that Ukraine lost all their Bayraktars in April.
Claimed that Russia would bring consequences if Finland and Sweden agreed to join NATO.
Claimed that Ukraine was being invaded to stop secret NATO Biolabs that were being used to create superweapons that can kill Russians and\or COVID and Monkeypox.
Claimed that the Hospital in Mariupol was full of Azov
Claimed that the theatre full of children in Mariupol were full of Azov.
Claimed that the entire Kyiv offensive was a feint.
Claimed that the entire Sumy offensive was a feint.
Claimed that the Kharkov offensive was a feint before turning around and trying to go back.
Claimed the Ukrainian defensive lines in Donbass were routed in March.
Claimed the Ukrainian defensive lines in Donbass were routed in April.
Claimed the Ukrainian defensive lines in Donbass were routed in May.
Claimed that Ukraine lost all their Bayraktars in May.
Claimed that Russia was about to Cauldron the entire Ukrainian army in the east in May.
Claimed that Belarus was going to join the invasion in March.
Claimed that Belarus was going to join the invasion in April.
Claimed that Belarus was going to join the invasion in May.
Claimed that Belarus was going to join the invasion in December.
Claimed that Ukraine attacked Transnistria in an obvious false flag.
Claimed that the Kramatorsk railway station attack was a Ukrainian false flag because "Russia doesn't use that missile type anymore" despite pictures of Russian soldiers during the war using said missile.
Claimed that Russia didn't take massive losses in a failed River crossing.
Claimed that taking massive losses in a failed river crossing is completely normal and it happens to everyone.
Claimed that Ukraine launched an attack on Snake Island with helicopters, Ships and NATO commandos and Russia killed all of them.... before trying to claim that the dead Russian soldiers were actually NATO officers before blurring them out when people noticed that they were wearing Russian issued military clothing.
Claimed that there was a NATO Admiral in Mariupol leading Azov.... yet never produced Admiral.
Claimed that Russia was about to Cauldron all of the Ukrainians located in the Luhansk district in May.
Claimed that Russia was not deporting Ukrainians to Russia
Claimed that Ukrainians were not being taken from Ukraine and deported to locations inside Russia.
Claimed that an old computer from 2006 covered in crude "Property of NATO stickers" all over were a top secret NATO computer that Russia captured from Nazis.
Claimed that there was a secret plot by Ukrainian Nazis to kill a Russian propagandist that required Green wigs, unworn Swastika T-shirts, and three copies of the SIMs 3 in the place of SIM cards.
Claimed that Poland was going to invade West Ukraine.
Claimed that the Moskva was fine.
Claimed the Moskva had an internal fire not related to war.
Claimed that the Moskva safely made it back to harbor,
Claimed that the Moskva was sunk in an accident.
Claimed that only a single person died on the Moskva when she sank.
Claimed the Ukrainian defensive lines in Donbass were routed in June.
Claimed that Russia had Cauldroned all of the Ukrainians located in the Luhansk district in June.
Claimed the Ukrainian defensive lines in Donbass were routed in July.
Claimed that the Ukrainians are Genetically enhanced supersoldiers with STDs.
Claimed that the Ukrainians were using Black Magic to attack the Russian forces
Claimed that Ukrainians were selling them Western artillery... failed to produce any.
Claimed that the Kremenchuk shopping mall attack was caused by a fire from Ukrainian Munitions being hit by a Russian missile and not from Russian missiles having poor aim.
Claimed a logging truck was a destroyed HIMARs.
Claimed a supply truck was a destroyed HIMARs.
Claimed an Ambulance was a destroyed HIMARs.
Claimed another civilian truck was a destroyed HIMARs.
Claimed that a second story room in an old factory was a destroyed HIMARs.
Claimed Ukraine has lost more drones than Ukraine has ever owned.
Claimed that Ukraine has lost more aircraft than they ever owned.
Claimed Ukraine has lost all their HIMARs.
Claimed they weren't going to bomb Odessa after agreeing to a trade deal.... before bombing Odessa.
Claimed that a Ukrainian HIMARs killed the Azov POWs who were clearly set on fire.
Claimed the Kherson bridge was not hit.
Claimed the Kherson bridge was hit but damage was mild.
Claimed the Kherson bridge was hit but the damage wasn't to the point that the bridge wasn't usable despite traffic at the bridge stopping and Russians being forced to use ferries to cross the water.
Claimed that no aircraft were destroyed in the Crimea explosion.
Claimed that only one person died in said explosion. (Later admitted that over 60 died)
Claimed that the damage to the Kherson Dam was unwarranted even while the destruction photos show destroyed Russian military vehicles that had been parked there.
Claimed that Russia was never going to leave Kherson.
Claimed that Ukraine were dying by the hundreds and their army would collapse around Kherson.
Claimed that all the conquered regions overwhelmingly voted to secede despite allowing no observers.
Claimed that all the conquered regions overwhelmingly voted to join Russia despite allowing no observers.
Claimed that territory still held by Ukraine actually voted for Russia despite the impossibility of those areas voting.
Claimed that because of Annexation Kherson belonged to Russia forever.
Claimed that the Crimea bridge was fine.
Claimed that the Crimea bridge attack was a NATO attack.
Claimed that Ukraine was planning on invading Belarus.
Claimed that Bakhmut had fallen.
Claimed that Bakhmut had fallen again.
Claimed that Bakhmut had fallen yet again.
Claimed that Bakhmut had fallen and Ukraine is using human waves attacks to take it back.
Claimed that the Drone that hit the Russian Airbase was shot down and did no damage even after photos of damage appeared.
Claimed that no one died in the New Years attack
Claimed that the theater in Mariupol was bombed by Azov.
Claimed that Bradley IFVs have been destroyed even though they haven't even shown up in Ukraine.
Claimed that Ukraine has been defeated and that Millions of NATO soldiers are what they're fighting.
Claimed that Poland Invaded and conquered Ukraine and that they're liberating Ukraine from Polish occupation.
Claimed that thousands and thousands of NATO soldiers have died, provided no evidence supporting it.
Claimed that Soledar had NOT fallen after saying it had fallen.
Claimed that sending Tanks to Ukraine would result in nuclear war.
Claimed that Ukraine is using child soldiers.
Claimed that they launched a massive Southern Offensive and took several towns. (The offensive failed and they already held those towns)
Claimed that they aren't using Human Wave attacks, Ukraine is the one doing human wave attacks.
Claimed that they aren't committing War Crimes only Ukraine commits war crimes.
Claimed that Ukraine is conscripting people off the street at gunpoint.
Claimed that Ukraine is using Chemical Weapons disguised as conventional Russian grenades.
Claimed to have destroyed a Leopard 2 before they were even in Ukraine
Claimed to have captured a M1 Abrams despite none being in Ukraine
Claimed that T-62s are s good as M1 Abrams
Claimed that T-55s are just as good as M1 Abrams
Claimed that Wagner had enough shells
Claimed that Wagner didn't have enough shells
Claimed that Russia would nuke the UK if they sent long range missiles
Claimed that the Ukrainian counteroffensive had started
Claimed that the Ukrainian counteroffensive was already defeated
Claimed to have destroyed a Patriot battery
Claimed to have destroyed five patriot batteries.
Claimed that they killed 70 Russian Rebels when they invaded Russia.
Claimed that Wagner took Bakhmut.
Claimed that they were in control over the border.
Claimed that the counteroffensive had started in Belogard.
Claimed that the Dam was fine.
Claimed that the Dam was broken cause Ukraine broke it.
Claimed they broke the Dam to stop the counteroffensive. (There was no counteroffensive)
Claimed thousands of Ukrainians had died in the Counteroffensive by the dam
Claimed that the flooding wasn't bad.
Claimed that a town wasn't flooded even when the person talking has flood waters behind him.
Claimed that Ukraine was the one Using human wave attacks when there is footage showing otherwise.
Claimed that all of the Western Equipment was destroyed by photoshopping in more equipment.
Claimed that a Submarine hit by a direct attack and set on fire only took minor damage.
Claimed that a Landing ship that sank and burned to the waterline only took minor damage.
Claimed that Zelensky's wife had a Shopping spree in New York while she was actually in Canada.
Claimed that Zelensky was fleeing to Florida (He didn't)
Claimed that Zelensky was buying Yachts with US money (He wasn't)
Claimed that the counteroffensive made no gains
Claimed that Wagner's coup wasn't happening
Claimed that Wagener's coup was planned to happen.
Claimed that totaled Russian helicopters took minor damage.
Claimed that the Wagner Plane shoot down was an accident
Claimed that the Ukraine war is actually being fought to Free Africa. (From what?)
Claimed that Ukraine is out of weapons
Claimed that Ukraine is out of soldiers
Claimed that their attacks on Ukrainian civilian targets are justified but Ukrainian counter attacks are terrorism.
Claimed that the T-90 is the best tank in the world even though it loses to Bradley's.
Claimed that Europe would freeze (Russia is the one freezing)
Claimed they are ready for peace talks (Putin told China he plans to wage this war for 5 years)
Claimed that dead Russian soldiers aren't dead just missing in action so they don't have to pay the family
Claimed that this entire war is some evil plot by the UK
Claimed that Putin is not mentally incompetent.

The Pirateariat wrote:The Ukranians are clearly prepared for a post-apocalyptic war, if it comes to that.

The pinnacle of military technology has been reached. Everything past today is just living in the shadows of this monster.

Vivida Vis Animi wrote:

The Pirateariat wrote:The Ukranians are clearly prepared for a post-apocalyptic war, if it comes to that.

The pinnacle of military technology has been reached. Everything past today is just living in the shadows of this monster.

When your enemy start busting out the Mad Max vehicles because they CAN, you know shits not going your way

I just checked and it took the Russians around 9 months 2 weeks and 6 days(according to Wikipedia) to finally take Bakhmut. About a week shorter than the battle of Verdun to take a relatively strategically unimportant city. And even then them holding it could be in flux depending on how fighting on the outskirts and flanks develops(the sheer amount schadenfreude from Ukraine pulling a Stalingrad on them could power the entire planet.) And likely with casualties in the tens of thousands. Fucking grim.

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Doesn't the 'drone attack' in the Kremlin seem fishy?

I mean, 2 people were seen going up to the flag pole, as if it was staged, and the 'drone attack' barely did any damage to 'assassinate'. It seems like they're using that as a way to cause harm in Ukrainian peoples, even though they've been doing that even before the 'drone attack'. Sounds like the Marco Polo Bridge incident re:work to me.

First... To say something about Zaporizhzhia on this thread.

Ukraine has delayed it's counteroffensive, but I still think Ukraine's gonna try aim for Tokmak, Melitopol and Berdyansk rather than go full out on Bakhmut

Perikuresu wrote:First... To say something about Zaporizhzhia on this thread.

Ukraine has delayed it's counteroffensive, but I still think Ukraine's gonna try aim for Tokmak, Melitopol and Berdyansk rather than go full out on Bakhmut

That would certainly be the most logical choice. I'm still thinking that we're gonna see a repeat of last year where Ukraine launched two counteroffensives at basically the same time.