Stormfront? A call to WN and NS

[Sugara]

So, I've noticed, that there are some people around here who call themselves White Nationalist (WN) or National Socialist (NS) without blinking.
My first reaction to that would be, "Get the fuck back to Stormfront, @!#$%!", which I think I might have posted around here.

However, seeing as I allways try to be a person of reasonable debate, I figured I should give you all a chance. Perhaps, ever so slightly the chance, there might be a WN or NS around here who is able to articulate his/her views of how the world is, what should be done, and how they would organise society.

White Nationalists, are you going to change the political system at all? Or is it just 'all foreigners out', and that's all?
National Socialists, how much alike your (in)famous predecessor party are you? Do you consider youself 'socialist'? And what does that mean than, 'socialist'?

And all you 'racialists' out there, who is your enemy? The Muslim? The Black? Or perhaps the "Red Jewish Suprematist"?

I am a blank page, *enlighten me, please*

[Big Jim P]

Hey, just wait until we get our summer crop of nazis in. Assuming we get one this year. The crop has been a little thin in recent years.

[Maurepas]

Me,

[Lacadaemon]

From a fraternal perspective, your fascinating introduction to debate lacks the sort of fire, or dare I say temperature, which would render it incendiary. Perhaps then, indeed, it could be described as the opposite of the necessary conditions which create the conflagration you so desire.

[Vault 10]

I so wish I could join Stormfront, but it seems I can't.

The issue has something to do with insufficient reflectivity of radio waves at a few hundred terahertz.

[Big Jim P]

I so wish I could join Stormfront, but it seems I can't.

The issue has something to do with insufficient reflectivity of radio waves at a few hundred terahertz.

I had a troll puppet there, but never got bored enough to use it.

[Robarya]

White Nationalists, are you going to change the political system at all? Or is it just 'all foreigners out', and that's all?

It's hardly that simple. Basically the nation should strive to retain its ethnic population as a majority. So long as the exceptions are kept to a minimum it wouldn't matter.

National Socialists, how much alike your (in)famous predecessor party are you? Do you consider youself 'socialist'? And what does that mean than, 'socialist'?

National Socialists don't have the same sick overzealousness about Socialism as the Socialists and Communists have. It varies from group to group. Some are for a centrally planned economy, but most are in favor of a mixed economy that's leaning slightly to the left.

And all you 'racialists' out there, who is your enemy? The Muslim? The Black? Or perhaps the "Red Jewish Suprematist"?

The politicians that are ruining the European societies by letting the immigrants in are to blame. It is not particularly strange that the immigrants themselves want to live in the European world with its high standards of living.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

*looks at a live grenade of a thread and winces*

I'm letting you know now that If this thread is to stay open, discussion is going to have to be calm and rational. Review what you write before you post. Don't annoy me with excessive need for moderation.

[Cybach]

So, I've noticed, that there are some people around here who call themselves White Nationalist (WN) or National Socialist (NS) without blinking.
My first reaction to that would be, "Get the fuck back to Stormfront, @!#$%!", which I think I might have posted around here.

However, seeing as I allways try to be a person of reasonable debate, I figured I should give you all a chance. Perhaps, ever so slightly the chance, there might be a WN or NS around here who is able to articulate his/her views of how the world is, what should be done, and how they would organise society.

White Nationalists, are you going to change the political system at all? Or is it just 'all foreigners out', and that's all?
National Socialists, how much alike your (in)famous predecessor party are you? Do you consider youself 'socialist'? And what does that mean than, 'socialist'?

And all you 'racialists' out there, who is your enemy? The Muslim? The Black? Or perhaps the "Red Jewish Suprematist"?

I am a blank page, *enlighten me, please*

What makes you think you have any more right or privilege to be on this site with your views than a WN does with his? Posting on this site has to do with politeness and civility, not segregationist based on political views. If that were the case the forum would be dead as it would only allow those in who never disagree with each other due to sharing the same socio-political views on all matters.

[Georgism]

Where have you seen these people?

[Big Jim P]

*looks at a live grenade of a thread and winces*

I'm letting you know now that If this thread is to stay open, discussion is going to have to be calm and rational. Review what you write before you post. Don't annoy me with excessive need for moderation.

So, no tormenting Nazis?

[Albrante]

*looks at a live grenade of a thread and winces*

But back on Topic, in this Rp a while back we flushed a few Nazis out of their dens:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=31311&hilit=Purge

[Lunatic Goofballs]

*looks at a live grenade of a thread and winces*

I'm letting you know now that If this thread is to stay open, discussion is going to have to be calm and rational. Review what you write before you post. Don't annoy me with excessive need for moderation.

So, no tormenting Nazis?

Well, I suppose if you're exceedingly subtle at it. For example: I'm a mixed-race cultural mongrel that happens to be reasonably smart and capable. I'm a living refutation of everything racial purists believe. That annoys the piss out of em.

[Big Jim P]

*looks at a live grenade of a thread and winces*

I'm letting you know now that If this thread is to stay open, discussion is going to have to be calm and rational. Review what you write before you post. Don't annoy me with excessive need for moderation.

So, no tormenting Nazis?

Well, I suppose if you're exceedingly subtle at it. For example: I'm a mixed-race cultural mongrel that happens to be reasonably smart and capable. I'm a living refutation of everything racial purists believe. That annoys the piss out of em.

Well, so am I, and I have dated just about every "race" of human. (No asians though ). I REALLY annoy the piss out of them.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

*looks at a live grenade of a thread and winces*

I'm letting you know now that If this thread is to stay open, discussion is going to have to be calm and rational. Review what you write before you post. Don't annoy me with excessive need for moderation.

So, no tormenting Nazis?

Well, I suppose if you're exceedingly subtle at it. For example: I'm a mixed-race cultural mongrel that happens to be reasonably smart and capable. I'm a living refutation of everything racial purists believe. That annoys the piss out of em.

Well, so am I, and I have dated just about every "race" of human. (No asians though ). I REALLY annoy the piss out of them.

So pretty much just hanging around and reminding them that all their generalizations and stereotypes are completely meaningless is all the tormenting one would ever need.

[Cybach]

*looks at a live grenade of a thread and winces*

I'm letting you know now that If this thread is to stay open, discussion is going to have to be calm and rational. Review what you write before you post. Don't annoy me with excessive need for moderation.

So, no tormenting Nazis?

Well, I suppose if you're exceedingly subtle at it. For example: I'm a mixed-race cultural mongrel that happens to be reasonably smart and capable. I'm a living refutation of everything racial purists believe. That annoys the piss out of em.

Racial purists != Nazis.

I find it ironic how the classical Nazis would be downright disgusted with most of what tries to pass itself off as Neo-Nazi today. The Neo-Nazis in many ways are much more radical and worse than the original Nazis, particularly in their views on race.

[Big Jim P]

*looks at a live grenade of a thread and winces*

I'm letting you know now that If this thread is to stay open, discussion is going to have to be calm and rational. Review what you write before you post. Don't annoy me with excessive need for moderation.

So, no tormenting Nazis?

Well, I suppose if you're exceedingly subtle at it. For example: I'm a mixed-race cultural mongrel that happens to be reasonably smart and capable. I'm a living refutation of everything racial purists believe. That annoys the piss out of em.

Well, so am I, and I have dated just about every "race" of human. (No asians though ). I REALLY annoy the piss out of them.

So pretty much just hanging around and reminding them that all their generalizations and stereotypes are completely meaningless is all the tormenting one would ever need.

Great, isn't it?

[Great Nepal]

*looks at a live grenade of a thread and winces*

I'm letting you know now that If this thread is to stay open, discussion is going to have to be calm and rational. Review what you write before you post. Don't annoy me with excessive need for moderation.

So, no tormenting Nazis?

Well, I suppose if you're exceedingly subtle at it. For example: I'm a mixed-race cultural mongrel that happens to be reasonably smart and capable. I'm a living refutation of everything racial purists believe. That annoys the piss out of em.

Racial purists != Nazis.

I find it ironic how the classical Nazis would be downright disgusted with most of what tries to pass itself off as Neo-Nazi today. The Neo-Nazis in many ways are much more radical and worse than the original Nazis, particularly in their views on race.

I dont understand why you guys trend to "attack" nazis? There veiws are wrong FOR US, not them. Doesn't attacking nazis go aggainst what you call "right to freedom"?

[Sugara]

White Nationalists, are you going to change the political system at all? Or is it just 'all foreigners out', and that's all?

It's hardly that simple. Basically the nation should strive to retain its ethnic population as a majority. So long as the exceptions are kept to a minimum it wouldn't matter.

Why? In what manner is ethnicity important? And how exactly does this 'White Nationalism' play out in the world... Is South Afrika, for example, to drive out all the white-skinned people? Or, on an even grander scale, are the American and Australian natives to drive out those of European descent?
Or is the goal rather, that each nation should strive to maintain any single ethnic population as an absolute majority, regardless of what was 'the original' population?

On another note, how do we define 'ethnic'? Don't Slavic, romanic, germanic, celtic, norse, and jewish people all have a white skin? Is the question then rather one of religion? In that case, what about converts?

And finally, my original question remains, is it just that? 'Retaining it's ethnic population as a majority', but apart from that retaining the same form of governmental and social institutes? The same centrist ideas about welfare, elections, etc?

National Socialists, how much alike your (in)famous predecessor party are you? Do you consider youself 'socialist'? And what does that mean than, 'socialist'?

National Socialists don't have the same sick overzealousness about Socialism as the Socialists and Communists have. It varies from group to group. Some are for a centrally planned economy, but most are in favor of a mixed economy that's leaning slightly to the left.

So, some are for a centrally planned economy, and some for a mixed economy, but actually none are for a socialist economy? At least, last time I read any socialist thinker, none of them were for centrally planned economy, yet rather workers control. How exactly could one combine a 'stateless' society with nationalism?

And, as you apperantly find a focus on economy to be sickening, I will not speak on the distribution of wealth, but rather how would the National-Socialist distribute power? Again, the question, parliaments, great leaders, how?

And all you 'racialists' out there, who is your enemy? The Muslim? The Black? Or perhaps the "Red Jewish Suprematist"?

The politicians that are ruining the European societies by letting the immigrants in are to blame. It is not particularly strange that the immigrants themselves want to live in the European world with its high standards of living.

Acceptable answer, the politicians are to blame. I'd be a verry happy puppy if you could explain HOW the European societ(y)(ies) are going to ruin,though.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

*looks at a live grenade of a thread and winces*

I'm letting you know now that If this thread is to stay open, discussion is going to have to be calm and rational. Review what you write before you post. Don't annoy me with excessive need for moderation.

So, no tormenting Nazis?

Well, I suppose if you're exceedingly subtle at it. For example: I'm a mixed-race cultural mongrel that happens to be reasonably smart and capable. I'm a living refutation of everything racial purists believe. That annoys the piss out of em.

Racial purists != Nazis.

I find it ironic how the classical Nazis would be downright disgusted with most of what tries to pass itself off as Neo-Nazi today. The Neo-Nazis in many ways are much more radical and worse than the original Nazis, particularly in their views on race.

I dont understand why you guys trend to "attack" nazis? There veiws are wrong FOR US, not them. Doesn't attacking nazis go aggainst what you call "right to freedom"?

No.

[Great Nepal]

*looks at a live grenade of a thread and winces*

I'm letting you know now that If this thread is to stay open, discussion is going to have to be calm and rational. Review what you write before you post. Don't annoy me with excessive need for moderation.

So, no tormenting Nazis?

Well, I suppose if you're exceedingly subtle at it. For example: I'm a mixed-race cultural mongrel that happens to be reasonably smart and capable. I'm a living refutation of everything racial purists believe. That annoys the piss out of em.

Racial purists != Nazis.

I find it ironic how the classical Nazis would be downright disgusted with most of what tries to pass itself off as Neo-Nazi today. The Neo-Nazis in many ways are much more radical and worse than the original Nazis, particularly in their views on race.

I dont understand why you guys trend to "attack" nazis? There veiws are wrong FOR US, not them. Doesn't attacking nazis go aggainst what you call "right to freedom"?

No.

How? You have your veiws and morals, they have got theres. So if you are allowed to express your veiws freelly, they should be allowed to do the same. Well this reminded me that attacking nazis goes against something called ”right to equality” too.

[Sugara]

What makes you think you have any more right or privilege to be on this site with your views than a WN does with his? Posting on this site has to do with politeness and civility, not segregationist based on political views. If that were the case the forum would be dead as it would only allow those in who never disagree with each other due to sharing the same socio-political views on all matters.

I don't. I merely described my initial emotional response. I agree that every site should be based on polite and civil discussion, I am glad to agree with you. I severly doubt most people share my socio-political views either, unfortunately.

I dont understand why you guys trend to "attack" nazis? There veiws are wrong FOR US, not them. Doesn't attacking nazis go aggainst what you call "right to freedom"?

Indeed the answer is, no. It is a matter of debate, and actually I am here, INVITING them to exercise their freedom of speech, so that I and any other with the same intention can point out, or 'attack', the flaws in their logic.

Another thing that might be worth noting is that ones political opinion, if translated into political ACTION, is quite something else from private, as acting out political beliefs tends to affect others, hence the name political.

[Robarya]

And, as you apperantly find a focus on economy to be sickening, I will not speak on the distribution of wealth, but rather how would the National-Socialist distribute power? Again, the question, parliaments, great leaders, how?

Nah, I mean that I have a hard time for Socialism. For instance, I lost alot of respect for a National Socialist leader when he said that the state should save a company that didn't make any profit, simply because it wouldn't be "empathic" to leave its employers jobless.

Excuse me, but I will have to respond to the rest later. At the moment I have some schoolwork to do.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

I dont understand why you guys trend to "attack" nazis? There veiws are wrong FOR US, not them. Doesn't attacking nazis go aggainst what you call "right to freedom"?

No.

How? You have your veiws and morals, they have got theres. So if you are allowed to express your veiws freelly, they should be allowed to do the same. Well this reminded me that attacking nazis goes against something called ”right to equality” too.

Because they fight for the deprivation of freedom. Tolerance doesn't have to extend to the toleration of intolerance. Freedom has to be fought for.

[Georgism]

*looks at a live grenade of a thread and winces*

I'm letting you know now that If this thread is to stay open, discussion is going to have to be calm and rational. Review what you write before you post. Don't annoy me with excessive need for moderation.

So, no tormenting Nazis?

Well, I suppose if you're exceedingly subtle at it. For example: I'm a mixed-race cultural mongrel that happens to be reasonably smart and capable. I'm a living refutation of everything racial purists believe. That annoys the piss out of em.

Racial purists != Nazis.

I find it ironic how the classical Nazis would be downright disgusted with most of what tries to pass itself off as Neo-Nazi today. The Neo-Nazis in many ways are much more radical and worse than the original Nazis, particularly in their views on race.

I dont understand why you guys trend to "attack" nazis? There veiws are wrong FOR US, not them. Doesn't attacking nazis go aggainst what you call "right to freedom"?

No.

How? You have your veiws and morals, they have got theres. So if you are allowed to express your veiws freelly, they should be allowed to do the same. Well this reminded me that attacking nazis goes against something called ”right to equality” too.

Free speech gives them the right to voice their opinions, and gives us the right to argue against them. Free seech is about creating debate, not just silencing it again.