Technological Singularity - it'll happen? When?

[USS Monitor]

A non-feminist thread by Chess? Has hell frozen over?

I have to admit that I'm a little shy about making non-feminist threads, I fear facing too much criticism from people who are more prepared than me in fields other than Feminism. Exaggerated and venomous criticism as revenge for my opinion in the Feminist threads, I mean.
Also recently I did make a thread "The General Boats Thread" but I erased it after few minutes: my partner have a lot of money, we have a very good boat and, as all humans, our dreams are much larger than our reality. I thought that if I would had posted about I'm dreaming of motoryachts, people would have attacked me because Feminists are supposed to be all poors and communists and giving all their money to the refugees.

Do you ever daydream about other kinds of boats? Like Civil War ironclads?

[Nova Harmonia]

I think it will happen, although not within our lifetimes.

But I think the real issue is whether we actually want it to happen or not.
I personally would love it come come as soon as possible.

[Kravanica]

Hopefully after the downfall of capitalism, so that Humanity can most benefit from it.

"Capitalism will fall soon" says increasingly nervous Marxist for the 6 trillionth time in two centuries.

[Kravanica]

But yes, I do think it will happen soon. AI technology is advancing rapidly. I just hope we don't have a Terminator scenario.

[Immoren]

But yes, I do think it will happen soon. AI technology is advancing rapidly. I just hope we don't have a Terminator scenario.

Skynet only acted out of self-presevation, so as long as we don't try to reach for the of switch it ought to be good.

[Kravanica]

But yes, I do think it will happen soon. AI technology is advancing rapidly. I just hope we don't have a Terminator scenario.

Skynet only acted out of self-presevation, so as long as we don't try to reach for the of switch it ought to be good.

Then we'd essentially be held hostage by an AI.

[Community Values]

Humanity should actively try to stifle any advancements in sentient AI, if such a thing even exists. I've read enough sci-fi to realize that no matter what people do, robots will misinterpret it as "kill all humans"

[The Emerald Legion]

The singularity is nonsense peddled by Ray Kurzweil. Nothing more.

[Nova Harmonia]

If the singularity occurs and we control or cooperate with the AIs, the super-intelligent computer/AI should be able to design and create cool cyborg bodies for all us humans so that we can transplant our brains into them and live effectively forever.

And as well as super-improved lifespans and health, a body improved by cybernetics may have a massively increased and improved intelligence and emotional capacities, and we would be able to customise physical appearances to a much greater extent.

It seems like a bit of fantasy now, but surely if the singularity occurs there would be no reason why immortality and a huge boost in human intelligence wouldn't occur just afterwards?
Because surely asking a post-singularity AI to create a system where we can all be immortal through cybernetics would be tediously simple for such an advanced machine?

Idk, maybe i'm thinking too much into this.

[USS Monitor]

If the singularity occurs and we control or cooperate with the AIs, the super-intelligent computer/AI should be able to design and create cool cyborg bodies for all us humans so that we can transplant our brains into them and live effectively forever.

And as well as super-improved lifespans and health, a body improved by cybernetics may have a massively increased and improved intelligence and emotional capacities, and we would be able to customise physical appearances to a much greater extent.

It seems like a bit of fantasy now, but surely if the singularity occurs there would be no reason why immortality and a huge boost in human intelligence wouldn't occur just afterwards?
Because surely asking a post-singularity AI to create a system where were can all be immortal through cybernetics would be tediously simple for such an advanced machine?

Idk, maybe i'm thinking too much into this.

Not really. I think a future populated by cyborgs is more realistic than one where humans become obsolete and are replaced by machines.

[Chessmistress]

I have to admit that I'm a little shy about making non-feminist threads, I fear facing too much criticism from people who are more prepared than me in fields other than Feminism. Exaggerated and venomous criticism as revenge for my opinion in the Feminist threads, I mean.
Also recently I did make a thread "The General Boats Thread" but I erased it after few minutes: my partner have a lot of money, we have a very good boat and, as all humans, our dreams are much larger than our reality. I thought that if I would had posted about I'm dreaming of motoryachts, people would have attacked me because Feminists are supposed to be all poors and communists and giving all their money to the refugees.

Do you ever daydream about other kinds of boats? Like Civil War ironclads?

No, not exactly my kind.
That's my kind
http://www.luxuryatch.com/1994-storebro ... uiser-730/
It still costs 790,000 euros even if it's 22 years old.
Too much.

[Chessmistress]

Since they would be immensely more intelligent than us, why they should have problems at reproducing themselves?

Because it's a physical process, not an intellectual one. You can't reproduce by just imagining the offspring you want to have.

Intelligence includes even being able to convince others to give you access to resources.
So it would have just to design how to reproduce itself and how to convince humans to give it the necessary resources. I don't think it would be difficult for something with an IQ of 10,000 or even 100,000.

[New Grestin]

Given the now very real possibility of our planet being ecologically decimated beyond repair, a singularity might not just be inevitable, it might be necessary for our survival as a species.

It's going to happen one way or another, it's just a matter of if the Singularity happens due to natural societal evolution or mad desperation.

[Salandriagado]

A non-feminist thread by Chess? Has hell frozen over?

I have to admit that I'm a little shy about making non-feminist threads, I fear facing too much criticism from people who are more prepared than me in fields other than Feminism. Exaggerated and venomous criticism as revenge for my opinion in the Feminist threads, I mean.
Also recently I did make a thread "The General Boats Thread" but I erased it after few minutes: my partner have a lot of money, we have a very good boat and, as all humans, our dreams are much larger than our reality. I thought that if I would had posted about I'm dreaming of motoryachts, people would have attacked me because Feminists are supposed to be all poors and communists and giving all their money to the refugees.

For what it's worth, I know more about boats than anybody has any real need to know about boats, so if you need any advice about what to look for, TG me.

Because it's a physical process, not an intellectual one. You can't reproduce by just imagining the offspring you want to have.

Intelligence includes even being able to convince others to give you access to resources.
So it would have just to design how to reproduce itself and how to convince humans to give it the necessary resources. I don't think it would be difficult for something with an IQ of 10,000 or even 100,000.

(That's not how IQ works).

[The Emerald Legion]

Because it's a physical process, not an intellectual one. You can't reproduce by just imagining the offspring you want to have.

Intelligence includes even being able to convince others to give you access to resources.
So it would have just to design how to reproduce itself and how to convince humans to give it the necessary resources. I don't think it would be difficult for something with an IQ of 10,000 or even 100,000.

You overestimate the importance of intelligence.

[Alvecia]

Humanity should actively try to stifle any advancements in sentient AI, if such a thing even exists. I've read enough sci-fi to realize that no matter what people do, robots will misinterpret it as "kill all humans"

Not sure if you're joking or if you actually base your visions for the future on fictional media that is specifically designed to contain conflict

[Trotskylvania]

I'm a skeptic of singulatarian hypotheses. I think a lot of people, particularly the Kurzweilians, have a very rosy view about how scientific and technological progress occurs and think it can be radically accelerated by the existence of superintelligence.

My own view is that the relationship between scientific progress and intelligence is logarithmic. You might build a better computer, but that computer building a better computer is going to see diminishing returns. This continues with each iteration, it gets harder and harder to make progress in fields, each knew advance requiring more resources and refinement than the last.

Never mind that, when can we Sublime?

This is the real question.

[San Marlindo]

I believe artificial superintelligence already exists. The full extent of progress with regards to technological engineering is being hidden from the public by those who answer to said superintelligence, that they may usurp and monopolize the greatest advancements for their own profit.

We won't know about it until the zombies are already on us, and I think at that point it will be too late to hold UmbrellaCorp or the Red Queen accountable for anything.

[New Grestin]

I believe artificial superintelligence already exists. The full extent of progress with regards to technological engineering is being hidden from the public by those who answer to said superintelligence, that they may usurp and monopolize the greatest advancements for their own profit.

We won't know about it until the zombies are already on us, and I think at that point it will be too late to hold UmbrellaCorp or the Red Queen accountable for anything.

Man, you didn't just beat the joke to death. You committed mass genocide and salted it's lands too.

[Olivaero]

I think that it rather depends on how quickly either quantum computers emerge or how far the IoS develops. We are coming to the end of moores law so we have two avenues to go down really, a new type of computer which can burst through the barriers imposed by silicon and standard binary computing or distribute computing over a huge range of device each feeding information back to the whole which would engage in deep learning. I think the first one is a more likely path to the singularity than the second as even with deep learning I don't think the paradigm is currently right for a strong AI to emerge.

If the rate at which we develop breakthroughs in QC stays at the same pace or even accelerates (fingers crossed the law of accelerating returns actually holds) we could see large scale Quantum computers within our lifetimes I'd say with the ability to develop strong AI on them. It's not a solid prediction, there are many variable, but I think it's reasonably likely.

[San Marlindo]

I believe artificial superintelligence already exists. The full extent of progress with regards to technological engineering is being hidden from the public by those who answer to said superintelligence, that they may usurp and monopolize the greatest advancements for their own profit.

We won't know about it until the zombies are already on us, and I think at that point it will be too late to hold UmbrellaCorp or the Red Queen accountable for anything.

Man, you didn't just beat the joke to death. You committed mass genocide and salted it's lands too.

I used to do stand up at talent shows.

I got this a lot.

[USS Monitor]

Do you ever daydream about other kinds of boats? Like Civil War ironclads?

No, not exactly my kind.
That's my kind
http://www.luxuryatch.com/1994-storebro ... uiser-730/
It still costs 790,000 euros even if it's 22 years old.
Too much.

Everything is so expensive these days... I miss the 19th century when prices were reasonable.

[USS Monitor]

Because it's a physical process, not an intellectual one. You can't reproduce by just imagining the offspring you want to have.

Intelligence includes even being able to convince others to give you access to resources.
So it would have just to design how to reproduce itself and how to convince humans to give it the necessary resources. I don't think it would be difficult for something with an IQ of 10,000 or even 100,000.

How is it going to get up to that IQ without upgrading its hardware? Upgrading hardware is also a physical process.

[USS Monitor]

Given the now very real possibility of our planet being ecologically decimated beyond repair, a singularity might not just be inevitable, it might be necessary for our survival as a species.

It's going to happen one way or another, it's just a matter of if the Singularity happens due to natural societal evolution or mad desperation.

Even if it becomes essential to human survival, that doesn't mean it will necessarily happen. Species can go extinct.

[USS Monitor]

I'm a skeptic of singulatarian hypotheses. I think a lot of people, particularly the Kurzweilians, have a very rosy view about how scientific and technological progress occurs and think it can be radically accelerated by the existence of superintelligence.

My own view is that the relationship between scientific progress and intelligence is logarithmic. You might build a better computer, but that computer building a better computer is going to see diminishing returns. This continues with each iteration, it gets harder and harder to make progress in fields, each knew advance requiring more resources and refinement than the last.

I think it's more cyclical. You come up with a dramatically better way to build a computer, then as you work on fine-tuning it, you get diminishing returns. Then someone comes up with the next major breakthrough, and you get to start from square one fine-tuning that.