Work on Dakota Access Pipeline halted (For Now)

[The Grene Knyght]

Looks like they're stopping the DAPL. For anyone who lives under a rock, this was a hugely controversial pipeline who's construction through a native american reservation was met with huge backlash. Police forces from over a dozen states cracked down violently on the peaceful protestors, including spraying them with water in temperatures below freezing, attacking with "non-lethal" weaponry (causing at least one death that I recall), and attempting to starve out the protesters by they would fine people who delivered food.
Now, the pipeline has been stopped.
What do you think NS?
Were the protesters in the wrong (obviously I don't think so, if that wasn't obvious already). Will they re-route the pipe? Or decide to continue as planned?

More broadly: how do you feel about the use of state sponsored violence against peaceful protesters in such an instance?
Are you worried about the use of corporation spons violence, as we saw here?
Do you see this as an invasion, or at the very least an intervention, by a foreign government into sovereign territory, on behalf of the oil company?

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/construction-of-dakota-access-pipeline-will-stop-824491587812
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/805529131572203520
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3999630/Dakota-protesters-WIN-bid-stop-pipeline-built-Standing-Rock.html
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-enviro ... s-pipeline

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Good, the people's protest worked.

[Tinfect]

Good. Now they just need to cancel the thing outright.

[Outer Sparta]

The next step is to cancel it. One down, one more to go.

[MERIZoC]

Fantastic news.

[Luziyca]

Here's hoping that the pipeline is cancelled altogether.

[North Tandua]

Unfortunately, the only reason they stopped was that a bunch of veterans (I think it was something like 2500) told police they would not allow them to evacuate the camp. The police agreed to halt the construction of the pipeline, and that they wouldn't evacuate the camp. If only they would have shown that kind of respect to the Native Americans.

(I'm not saying that the veterans shouldn't have done that, quite the opposite in fact)

[Saiwania]

Good. Now they just need to cancel the thing outright.

It is never going to happen because this project is over 90% completed. The people protesting it are being fools. Completely ignoring how it may well have less of an environmental impact than transporting oil by truck or rail like will happen if this pipeline didn't exist. We can be certain that Donald Trump is going to ensure that this gets completed.

[Gig em Aggies]

they didn't stop the pipeline only delayed it. it will be built whether the people like it or not. they had ample time before construction began on the pipeline to air their grievances but no they waited until the pipeline was about 99% completed to say something.

[Farnhamia]

Fantastic news.

It is, though there hasn't been any work done on the pipeline since September, when the Obama Administration blocked construction of the section in question, and the President revealedlast month that the Army Corps of Engineers was considering an alternate route. So, yeah ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/04/us/fe ... eline.html

[Aelex]

Not gonna happen. This pipeline is already half finished and too much money is at stake for them to cancel the project now.

[North Tandua]

Good. Now they just need to cancel the thing outright.

It is never going to happen because this project is over 90% completed. The people protesting it are being fools. Completely ignoring how it may well have less of an environmental impact than transporting oil by truck or rail like will happen if this pipeline didn't exist. We can be certain that Donald Trump is going to ensure that this gets completed.

Keep in mind that the pipeline is completely illegal, the government signed a treaty that said that the Native Americans owned the land, and that the government wouldn't do anything in their territory without the Native's permission.

[Vavax]

Finally. 2016 may not be absolutely terrible after all. (Doubtful.)

[Jumalariik]

Nice. American industrial regrowth thwarted again!

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Not gonna happen. This pipeline is already half finished and too much money is at stake for them to cancel the project now.

Nice Gambler's fallacy you got there.

Nice. American industrial regrowth thwarted again!

I'm sorry, are you a native american? Do you have any right to decide what should be done on there land?

[The Grene Knyght]

I had more planned for the OP but I had to run for a train will expand when I get back to my computer.

Overall though, I have to say that I agree with what some people are saying: they'll probably attempt to continue building it once people forget about it.

[Gig em Aggies]

Fantastic news.

It is, though there hasn't been any work done on the pipeline since September, when the Obama Administration blocked construction of the section in question, and the President revealedlast month that the Army Corps of Engineers was considering an alternate route. So, yeah ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/04/us/fe ... eline.html

they can explore alternate routes all they want but the government cant force them to pick a new route otherwise it be government encroachment into private business affairs which I don't want if a new route should happen it should be talked between the pipeline owners and the people who might be affected by the pipeline not the government or veterans or others who came to the site from elsewhere,

[The Serbian Empire]

I hope for it be rerouted at minimum.

[The Grene Knyght]

Good. Now they just need to cancel the thing outright.

It is never going to happen because this project is over 90% completed. The people protesting it are being fools. Completely ignoring how it may well have less of an environmental impact than transporting oil by truck or rail like will happen if this pipeline didn't exist. We can be certain that Donald Trump is going to ensure that this gets completed.

I agree we should look into alternative sources of energy.
Have to disagree that the environmental impact would be lesser though. I think it's important to differentiate between direct and indirect impact.

[Gig em Aggies]

It is never going to happen because this project is over 90% completed. The people protesting it are being fools. Completely ignoring how it may well have less of an environmental impact than transporting oil by truck or rail like will happen if this pipeline didn't exist. We can be certain that Donald Trump is going to ensure that this gets completed.

Keep in mind that the pipeline is completely illegal, the government signed a treaty that said that the Native Americans owned the land, and that the government wouldn't do anything in their territory without the Native's permission.

nope your wrong if the pipeline was illegal then it wouldn't have been built at all plus the pipeline doesn't come onto or even that close to the Native American reservation in question. plus

that the Native Americans owned the land, and that the government wouldn't do anything in their territory without the Native's permission

this is wrong the native Americans do not own the land the pipeline is being built on so the company who's building it doesn't need permission from the reservation who has no legal authority over the construction.

[The Grene Knyght]

Keep in mind that the pipeline is completely illegal, the government signed a treaty that said that the Native Americans owned the land, and that the government wouldn't do anything in their territory without the Native's permission.

nope your wrong if the pipeline was illegal then it wouldn't have been built at all plus the pipeline doesn't come onto or even that close to the Native American reservation in question. plus

that the Native Americans owned the land, and that the government wouldn't do anything in their territory without the Native's permission

this is wrong the native Americans do not own the land the pipeline is being built on so the company who's building it doesn't need permission from the reservation who has no legal authority over the construction.

"nope your wrong if the pipeline was illegal then it wouldn't have been built at all" that's a tad naive don't you think?
And even if the protesters don't own the land, don't you think their concerns were completely valid? And furthermore I recall that the right to protest is, in fact, a legal right, so I think they did have a legal right to oppose the construction.

[North Tandua]

It is, though there hasn't been any work done on the pipeline since September, when the Obama Administration blocked construction of the section in question, and the President revealedlast month that the Army Corps of Engineers was considering an alternate route. So, yeah ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/04/us/fe ... eline.html

they can explore alternate routes all they want but the government cant force them to pick a new route otherwise it be government encroachment into private business affairs which I don't want if a new route should happen it should be talked between the pipeline owners and the people who might be affected by the pipeline not the government or veterans or others who came to the site from elsewhere,

I understand not wanting the government to encroach into private business affairs, but the pipeline is illegal. The government needs to force them to reroute it out of Native American territory. There are laws that prohibit anyone from doing things on Native American territory without meeting with the elders first.

[Gig em Aggies]

nope your wrong if the pipeline was illegal then it wouldn't have been built at all plus the pipeline doesn't come onto or even that close to the Native American reservation in question. plus this is wrong the native Americans do not own the land the pipeline is being built on so the company who's building it doesn't need permission from the reservation who has no legal authority over the construction.

"nope your wrong if the pipeline was illegal then it wouldn't have been built at all" that's a tad naive don't you think?
And even if the protesters don't own the land, don't you think their concerns were completely valid? And furthermore I recall that the right to protest is, in fact, a legal right, so I think they did have a legal right to oppose the construction.

1.) its not naïve to say if it was actually illegal then it would not have been built
2. their concerns are valid but they waited until the last minute to do something which wont help them in the end
3. I never said anything about not being able to use their constitutional right to protest now listen carefully I said "this is wrong the native Americans do not own the land the pipeline is being built on so the company who's building it doesn't need permission from the reservation who has no legal authority over the construction"

[The Grene Knyght]

they can explore alternate routes all they want but the government cant force them to pick a new route otherwise it be government encroachment into private business affairs which I don't want if a new route should happen it should be talked between the pipeline owners and the people who might be affected by the pipeline not the government or veterans or others who came to the site from elsewhere,

I understand not wanting the government to encroach into private business affairs, but the pipeline is illegal. The government needs to force them to reroute it out of Native American territory. There are laws that prohibit anyone from doing things on Native American territory without meeting with the elders first.

Either way I'd imagine the land they're building through is either federal, native or private land not belonging to the corporation.
Most likely it'll be built through federal land, so I'd imagine the government ought to have some say.

[Nova Harmonia]

This is very good news.
Idealistically they'd stop the project altogether and instead invest in renewable energy for the interests of the long term future and the environment.
Realistically I hope that the oil companies involved at least gain enough combined human decency to reroute the pipeline as to not screw up the environment to the maximum extent, and to not go through through Native American lands.