Hillary Clinton could still win the presidency

[Licana]

I thought Glenn Beck hated Trump

He does. Most Neocons do.

[Alvecia]

I thought Glenn Beck hated Trump

He does. Most Neocons do.

Was it Beck that took Cruz to task for u-turning on his support for Trump? That was glorious.

[Gravlen]

So apparently the recount in Wisconsin... is giving Trump even more votes than before...
I don't think this is working as people expected...

Oh? I think it's working exactly as expected, and as hoped.

Well primarily a recount isn't about changing the outcome, but about safeguarding the entire electoral system. It's better to have the results double checked and validated than to let insecurity about voting machines live on. In my opinion, this should be standard operating procedure for areas using electronic voting machines. There should at least be spot checks to make absolutely sure. (I would prefer a clean paper-ballot system in the first place, but...)

A recount is warranted even if it changes nothing, however, and even if it is unlikely that the electronic voting machines were hacked this time (in a campaign season where foreign powers have breached voting databases and hacked democratic e-mail accounts) because the systems used in the US are horrifically bad. As in, scarily insecure, some running on outdated OS, some shown to be vulnerable to tampering. Verification through ballot counting should be carried out to make sure everything is kosher.

As I've said multiple times, if the recount showed that the machines had been tampered with or the results manipulated, it would cause a shitstorm I do not want to experience. On the other hand, there's been so many things happening this election cycle that it's best to be certain, and the only way to be certain is to look more closely at the numbers. We can't find any evidence in either direction unless we look.

For the record, I'm fine with Trump slightly increasing his numbers. That's just confirmation that the system worked (some acceptable errors are to be expected)

[The Portland Territory]

Fun fact, Clinton actually got 5 more votes in Philly because of the recount

That changes everything

[Alvecia]

Fun fact, Clinton actually got 5 more votes in Philly because of the recount

That changes everything

I would be concerned by any notable changes.

[The Portland Territory]

Fun fact, Clinton actually got 5 more votes in Philly because of the recount

That changes everything

I would be concerned by any notable changes.

It's only 5 so, I dunno. Still doesnt change anything

[Grand Britannia]

Fun fact, Clinton actually got 5 more votes in Philly because of the recount

That changes everything

Trump BTFO how could he ever recover from this?

[Runeria]

He does. Most Neocons do.

Was it Beck that took Cruz to task for u-turning on his support for Trump? That was glorious.

If by "took to task" you mean "cried about" then yes. Beck is a loon and always has been. He was upset because he put Cruz on a pedestal as being as much of an ideologue as himself and when Cruz didn't live up to it Glenn was heartbroken.

[Alvecia]

Was it Beck that took Cruz to task for u-turning on his support for Trump? That was glorious.

If by "took to task" you mean "cried about" then yes. Beck is a loon and always has been. He was upset because he put Cruz on a pedestal as being as much of an ideologue as himself and when Cruz didn't live up to it Glenn was heartbroken.

He interviewed him after the fact, IIRC. basically called him out on all the previous things he'd said.
This interview maybe?

[Corrian]

Why has Glenn Beck been reasonable?

[Corrian]

Also, I'm honestly glad there was no proof of anything in the recount. That's probably better than finding out there WAS actual hacking of our voting machines, even if it may have lead to a preferable outcome (though extremely unlikely)

Edit: But that "better outcome" probably would have lead to a war with Russia at that point if they interfered that far into our elections.

[Vassenor]

So apparently the recount in Wisconsin... is giving Trump even more votes than before...
I don't think this is working as people expected...

Oh? I think it's working exactly as expected, and as hoped.

Well primarily a recount isn't about changing the outcome, but about safeguarding the entire electoral system. It's better to have the results double checked and validated than to let insecurity about voting machines live on. In my opinion, this should be standard operating procedure for areas using electronic voting machines. There should at least be spot checks to make absolutely sure. (I would prefer a clean paper-ballot system in the first place, but...)

A recount is warranted even if it changes nothing, however, and even if it is unlikely that the electronic voting machines were hacked this time (in a campaign season where foreign powers have breached voting databases and hacked democratic e-mail accounts) because the systems used in the US are horrifically bad. As in, scarily insecure, some running on outdated OS, some shown to be vulnerable to tampering. Verification through ballot counting should be carried out to make sure everything is kosher.

As I've said multiple times, if the recount showed that the machines had been tampered with or the results manipulated, it would cause a shitstorm I do not want to experience. On the other hand, there's been so many things happening this election cycle that it's best to be certain, and the only way to be certain is to look more closely at the numbers. We can't find any evidence in either direction unless we look.

For the record, I'm fine with Trump slightly increasing his numbers. That's just confirmation that the system worked (some acceptable errors are to be expected)

Apparently Republicans seem to only be in favour of electoral transparency and stuff when it benefits them.

[Ifreann]

Why has Glenn Beck been reasonable?

World's gone mad.

[Divitaen]

Also, I'm honestly glad there was no proof of anything in the recount. That's probably better than finding out there WAS actual hacking of our voting machines, even if it may have lead to a preferable outcome (though extremely unlikely)

Edit: But that "better outcome" probably would have lead to a war with Russia at that point if they interfered that far into our elections.

To be honest though there are actually wasn't any evidence of hacking in the first place. Nate Silver published an article about how the alleged "hacking" of voting machines could be explained by demographic models in the counties where the "hacking" was alleged to have occurred so its really not surprising that the recount is yielding no change. Honestly, I'm a little surprised the Trump campaign was so opposed to a recount when it was obvious from the start it wasn't going to change much.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Why has Glenn Beck been reasonable?

World's gone mad.

^

In case the world at large hasn't noticed, the flying pigs and hell freezing over are next on the list.

[Divitaen]

Why has Glenn Beck been reasonable?

World's gone mad.

The other sane moment was when Fox News actually got rid of him because they thought he was too insane for them. Another mind-blown moment.

[United Marxist Nations]

I agree with the guy who said we should get rid of the voting machines. I've heard from people I know of problems with them (from both sides of the aisle).

[Corrian]

World's gone mad.

The other sane moment was when Fox News actually got rid of him because they thought he was too insane for them. Another mind-blown moment.

Then the insane became reasonable this election cycle.

Just what.

[Corrian]

I agree with the guy who said we should get rid of the voting machines. I've heard from people I know of problems with them (from both sides of the aisle).

Country wide vote by mail!

[Industrialaska]

I feel like I should bring up that the whole reason why the Electoral College exists is to give EVERYONE a fair say in who their leader is. The Electoral College prevents high population urban areas from overpowering the voice of lower population rural and suburban areas. If you are disappointed by the result of the election, well, I'm sorry, but GROW UP! The Electoral College exists for the sole purpose of giving every American a voice in their government. It is not "undemocratic", and if you dislike the choice of the American people in their government, there is an election in two years. Or you could just emigrate. But still, my point is that we need to all move forward as a country, and work together, if we want to improve anything. If you don't, then stop complaining.

So only the swing states having a say is giving all Americans a say?

No, because all the states get to vote. Lets say Alaska is Republican, and Hawaii is Democrat. If New Hampshire was Democrat, the Democrat would win. Alaska still gets to have a say, but the Republican doesn't win.

[United Marxist Nations]

I agree with the guy who said we should get rid of the voting machines. I've heard from people I know of problems with them (from both sides of the aisle).

Country wide vote by mail!

Well, I just say it because I heard from friends who went to one particular polling station that the machine wouldn't let them vote Trump, so they had to go get help; it was a calibration error, nothing malicious, but still problematic.

[Divitaen]

The other sane moment was when Fox News actually got rid of him because they thought he was too insane for them. Another mind-blown moment.

Then the insane became reasonable this election cycle.

Just what.

Basically, this election messed with all of our minds. I found myself agreeing sometimes with Megyn Kelly. Ted Cruz actually said things about Trump which seemed sensible (before he went back to being a slimy politician and starting making calls for Trump). And then Beck criticised Trump and seemed mildy-sensible.

[Divitaen]

So only the swing states having a say is giving all Americans a say?

No, because all the states get to vote. Lets say Alaska is Republican, and Hawaii is Democrat. If New Hampshire was Democrat, the Democrat would win. Alaska still gets to have a say, but the Republican doesn't win.

Isn't the point of a democracy to represent people, and not states? I don't understand why a small state needs to be given a disproportionately number of votes just because it has a small population. I thought the saying was "one-person-one-vote" not "let's distribute the votes so that each state has a proportionate share of votes".

[G-Tech Corporation]

No, because all the states get to vote. Lets say Alaska is Republican, and Hawaii is Democrat. If New Hampshire was Democrat, the Democrat would win. Alaska still gets to have a say, but the Republican doesn't win.

Isn't the point of a democracy to represent people, and not states? I don't understand why a small state needs to be given a disproportionately number of votes just because it has a small population. I thought the saying was "one-person-one-vote" not "let's distribute the votes so that each state has a proportionate share of votes".

Blah blah, republic not democracy, etc etc.

The United States has never been "one man, one vote". Any assertions to the contrary are cockamamie baloney.

[Divitaen]

Isn't the point of a democracy to represent people, and not states? I don't understand why a small state needs to be given a disproportionately number of votes just because it has a small population. I thought the saying was "one-person-one-vote" not "let's distribute the votes so that each state has a proportionate share of votes".

Blah blah, republic not democracy, etc etc.

The United States has never been "one man, one vote". Any assertions to the contrary are cockamamie baloney.

You do realise a republic just refers to any system of government where power is vested in a constitution, rule of law, and a body of elected representatives, that's the official definition of a republic. Nothing in there about representing "states" or ensuring arbitrarily-drawn states are proportionately represented. And, the US also claims to be a democracy or to embody democratic values, and democracy is a system of "one man, one vote".