Hillary Clinton could still win the presidency

[Socialist Nordia]

https://www.change.org/p/electoral-coll ... ecember-19

On December 19, the Electors of the Electoral College will cast their ballots. If they all vote the way their states voted, Donald Trump will win. However, they can vote for Hillary Clinton if they choose. Even in states where that is not allowed, their vote would still be counted, they would simply pay a small fine - which we can be sure Clinton supporters will be glad to pay!
We are calling on the Electors to ignore their states' votes and cast their ballots for Secretary Clinton. Why?
Mr. Trump is unfit to serve. His scapegoating of so many Americans, and his impulsivity, bullying, lying, admitted history of sexual assault, and utter lack of experience make him a danger to the Republic.
Secretary Clinton WON THE POPULAR VOTE and should be President.
Hillary won the popular vote. The only reason Trump "won" is because of the Electoral College.
But the Electoral College can actually give the White House to either candidate. So why not use this most undemocratic of our institutions to ensure a democratic result?
SHE WON THE POPULAR VOTE.
There is no reason Trump should be President.
"It's the 'People's Will'"
No. She won the popular vote.
"Our system of government under our Constitution says he wins"
No. Our Constitution says the Electors choose.
"Too many states prohibit 'Faithless Electors'"
24 states bind electors. If electors vote against their party, they usually pay a fine. And people get mad. But they can vote however they want and there is no legal means to stop them in most states.

The electiral college is broken and undemocratic, but it can still choose to follow the will of the people and vote for Hillary Clinton. Many Trump supporters and people who don't really like democracy have been vehemently defending the electoral college lately. When you defend the current system, this is a part of it. If electors were to go faithless amen masse and elect Hillary Clinton, it would be fully within the bounds layed out by the constitution. So, what say you NSG? Is it time to use this undemocratic institution to uphold democracy in the time being, while we wait to have it abolished?

[United Dependencies]

Let me get this straight:

People expect electors, who were chosen specifically for the purpose of picking their party's nominee as the next president, to pick the other party's nominee to be the next president.

right

[Luziyca]

I'm skeptical that petition will achieve anything. And even if it is granted, it will just add gasoline to the flames.

[Uxupox]

Jesus Christ people still whined about Pres. Obama getting elected and I'd imagine it's gonna be worse for Pres. Elec. Trump.

[Halloucia]

Lamento la victoria de Trump
Pero tiene muy pocas probabilidades que gane Clinton ahora

[Arlenton]

Why, for any reason what so ever, would REPUBLICAN electors, choose a DEMOCRATIC president? If they weren't choosing Trump, they would choose another Republican, not magically switch to a Democrat just because a bunch of people think Trump is unqualified.


Face it, Hillary Clinton will not be President.

[Quokkastan]

In the sense that I could spontaneously develop superpowers, sure. She could.

[Arlenton]

Oh, and in a nation where instead of one big national election, we have 51 separate elections to determine who will be President, the popular vote does not mean shit.

[Arlenton]

https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19

On December 19, the Electors of the Electoral College will cast their ballots. If they all vote the way their states voted, Donald Trump will win. However, they can vote for Hillary Clinton if they choose. Even in states where that is not allowed, their vote would still be counted, they would simply pay a small fine - which we can be sure Clinton supporters will be glad to pay!
We are calling on the Electors to ignore their states' votes and cast their ballots for Secretary Clinton. Why?
Mr. Trump is unfit to serve. His scapegoating of so many Americans, and his impulsivity, bullying, lying, admitted history of sexual assault, and utter lack of experience make him a danger to the Republic.
Secretary Clinton WON THE POPULAR VOTE and should be President.
Hillary won the popular vote. The only reason Trump "won" is because of the Electoral College.
But the Electoral College can actually give the White House to either candidate. So why not use this most undemocratic of our institutions to ensure a democratic result?
SHE WON THE POPULAR VOTE.
There is no reason Trump should be President.
"It's the 'People's Will'"
No. She won the popular vote.
"Our system of government under our Constitution says he wins"
No. Our Constitution says the Electors choose.
"Too many states prohibit 'Faithless Electors'"
24 states bind electors. If electors vote against their party, they usually pay a fine. And people get mad. But they can vote however they want and there is no legal means to stop them in most states.

The electiral college is broken and undemocratic, but it can still choose to follow the will of the people and vote for Hillary Clinton. Many Trump supporters and people who don't really like democracy have been vehemently defending the electoral college lately. When you defend the current system, this is a part of it. If electors were to go faithless amen masse and elect Hillary Clinton, it would be fully within the bounds layed out by the constitution. So, what say you NSG? Is it time to use this undemocratic institution to uphold democracy in the time being, while we wait to have it abolished?

And the Electoral College will not be abolished anytime soon. Most likely never in any of our lifetimes, and possibly never as long as the US exists.

[Novsvacro]

I value precendence over Clinton winning; I will be honestly disappointed if the electors defect.

[Novo Zion]

And if Clinton had won using the same broken system you wouldn't be complaining. If Trump supporters were the ones rioting at not getting the result they wanted you'd be saying how silly they are for doing so.
Trump won, it was democratic, get over it.
I didn't agree with Britain leaving the EU but it was democratic so I accepted it. Democracy doesn't always go how you wish but that's life.

[ChicagoBoys]

No.

[United States of Natan]

Let's hope the electoral college comes to their senses.

[Matta]

She already conceded

[Valrifell]

And if Clinton had won using the same broken system you wouldn't be complaining. If Trump supporters were the ones rioting at not getting the result they wanted you'd be saying how silly they are for doing so.
Trump won, it was democratic, get over it.
I didn't agree with Britain leaving the EU but it was democratic so I accepted it. Democracy doesn't always go how you wish but that's life.

You don't know if they would be complaining or not and, regardless, does not make the system any less broken or complaints any less valid, does it? And no, the Brexit comparison doesn't really fly because a majority of voters agreed to leave, not the case here, regardless of how narrow.

[The Northern League]

This is entirely opinionated. Do you honestly think people are going to switch their votes to Clinton because the more overly-passionate voters say he's unqualified? No.

Donald Trump, like it or not, was elected. In fact, for a good period of time, he had the popular vote as well. This is because the votes for Clinton took too long to get registered. That's not her fault, and that's not the electoral college's fault.

Not to mention Clinton only won by 1%. You can't legitimately call that a "majority" when only 400,000 more people (barely the population of Atlanta) voted for Clinton in a country with 300,000,000+ people.

Whether or not you think Trump is qualified or not doesn't matter. He's qualified by constitutional law. The only qualifications are you must be 35 to run for president and you must be a born US citizen. That's it. Just because he lacks any political experience doesn't mean he's magically "unqualified."
I personally don't like Donald Trump too much. But he was elected. That's that.
Do I think the system should be switched to Popular Vote? Yes. Do I think Donald Trump should be kicked out of presidency because he lost the popular vote by 1% over the course of 5 days? No.

[Thalasus]

I deeply despise Trump and I (begrudgingly) voted Clinton, but I really don't want this to happen. Can you imagine the reaction from the hundreds of millions of Trump supporters, who have always been told that the system is rigged against them, if Clinton suddenly took away all their dreams via a byzantine and rarely-discussed electoral procedure? If you thought the riots going on now were bad, hoo boy... I would sure be glad that I'm a politically independent gun owner.

[Rio Cana]

No. The election is over. Next election in four years. Which means the opposition has time to pick a candidate which can win.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

This petition will accomplish about as much as the petition to get BLM recognized as a terrorist organization.

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I deeply despise Trump and I (begrudgingly) voted Clinton, but I really don't want this to happen. Can you imagine the reaction from the hundreds of millions of Trump supporters, who have always been told that the system is rigged against them, if Clinton suddenly took away all their dreams via a byzantine and rarely-discussed electoral procedure? If you thought the riots going on now were bad, hoo boy... I would sure be glad that I'm a politically independent gun owner.

Right wingers generally don't have a habit of rioting in the streets.

[Arcanda]

Americans really want a civil war for Christmas.

[Arlenton]

Americans really want a civil war for Christmas.

Good thing all the people with guns and the military are disproportionately concentrated in the ~50% that support President Elect Trump.

[Geilinor]

This petition will accomplish about as much as the petition to get BLM recognized as a terrorist organization.

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I deeply despise Trump and I (begrudgingly) voted Clinton, but I really don't want this to happen. Can you imagine the reaction from the hundreds of millions of Trump supporters, who have always been told that the system is rigged against them, if Clinton suddenly took away all their dreams via a byzantine and rarely-discussed electoral procedure? If you thought the riots going on now were bad, hoo boy... I would sure be glad that I'm a politically independent gun owner.

Right wingers generally don't have a habit of rioting in the streets.

Neither do most left-wingers.

[Valrifell]

Americans really want a civil war for Christmas.

Good thing all the people with guns and the military are disproportionately concentrated in the ~50%* that support President Elect Trump.

~25%, actually.

[Marcurix]

This hasn't happened before, and it's unlikely to happen now. Let's not lower ourselves to false hopes.

[Arlenton]

Good thing all the people with guns and the military are disproportionately concentrated in the ~50%* that support President Elect Trump.

~25%, actually.

He got 47% of the vote????