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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:45 am

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Socialist Tera wrote:Jailing people is not primarily punishment, it is to remove dangerous people from the street. You are sounding a bit sadistic here.

Right. You jail them to remove them from the street, and then you torture them to actually punish them for what they've done.
I don't mean it to sound sadistic. I would like to think that the rapist is more sadistic than somebody wanting to punish them.


I'd like to think the criminal justice system is not just a system where we breed monsters and release them upon the convicts.
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Postby Indira » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:45 am

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Indira wrote:Errr...how does this guy get to walk? The kid was 10 years old!!! Pretty sure that's statutory rape minimum.

He doesn't get to walk. He was convicted on two charges. One conviction was overturned because the prosecution failed to prove its case. He's being held in jail until he's put on trial for that charge again.


Eh, my bad. At least that makes more sense.

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Postby Socialist Tera » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:46 am

Kellsun wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:Jailing people is not primarily punishment, it is to remove dangerous people from the street. You are sounding a bit sadistic here.

Right. You jail them to remove them from the street, and then you torture them to actually punish them for what they've done.
I don't mean it to sound sadistic. I would like to think that the rapist is more sadistic than somebody wanting to punish them.

I want them to go to jail for life so they won't harm another human being. Torture might make them actually worse because they become mentally damaged.
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Postby Amuaplye » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:47 am

What the hell is wrong with people?
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Postby Northern Dommaltand » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:47 am

Crockerland wrote:
Northern Dommaltand wrote:
I'm no lunatic

I don't recall saying you were one.


I said: A aircraft cannot bring a colossal skyscraper to the ground. There were bombs in the basement. The South Tower collapse video shows most of the block of stories above the impact zone breaking up before it started to fall.

In reply, you said: f free speech wasn't so great, it'd be nice if we could ban disgusting shit like this like what Germany does with holocaust denial.

In reply to your reply, I said: Why? Does this hurt you so much? Words don't kill.

In reply to my other reply, you said: It would help the government find dangerous lunatics and give them the help they need before they end up hurting others or themselves.

Make the correlation.

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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:48 am

Amuaplye wrote:What the hell is wrong with people?

They don't read facts before forming an opinion on issues.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:49 am

Northern Dommaltand wrote:
Crockerland wrote:I don't recall saying you were one.


I said: A aircraft cannot bring a colossal skyscraper to the ground. There were bombs in the basement. The South Tower collapse video shows most of the block of stories above the impact zone breaking up before it started to fall.

In reply, you said: f free speech wasn't so great, it'd be nice if we could ban disgusting shit like this like what Germany does with holocaust denial.

In reply to your reply, I said: Why? Does this hurt you so much? Words don't kill.

In reply to my other reply, you said: It would help the government find dangerous lunatics and give them the help they need before they end up hurting others or themselves.

Make the correlation.


This is not a conspiracy theory thread.
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Postby Kellsun » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:50 am

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Crockerland wrote:It would help the government find dangerous lunatics and give them the help they need before they end up hurting others or themselves.

This,

Besides, it's a double standard that most countries can ban holocaust denial, but the U.S. can't do anything about these lunatics.

Because the first thing in your Constitution is the right to say whatever you please. You should cherish that security.
I don't see why Holocaust denial should be illegal. It's not illegal to question the Holodomor by the Soviets, or the Armenian, Assyrian and Greek genocides by the Turks, or any other genocide that I can think of for that matter.

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Postby Northern Dommaltand » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:50 am

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What moment? The spreading of bigotry and discrimination?


Goddamnit Dommaltand... I wanted some chaos over here.


OP is a troll. This thread should be locked.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:51 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Amuaplye wrote:What the hell is wrong with people?

They don't read facts before forming an opinion on issues.


This is NSG tho.

Asking from them to read facts is like asking Jesus for a miracle.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:52 am

Northern Dommaltand wrote:
Chernobyliya wrote:
Goddamnit Dommaltand... I wanted some chaos over here.


OP is a troll. This thread should be locked.

I don't think the OP is a troll. I think he just read a headline that made him mad and immediately shared it without considering whether the story was really as bad as it seemed.
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Postby Targovia » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:52 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:They don't read facts before forming an opinion on issues.


This is NSG tho.

Asking from them to read facts is like asking Jesus for a miracle.

Jesus is still taking the tram to Earth, so...
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Postby Crockerland » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:53 am

Northern Dommaltand wrote:
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Goddamnit Dommaltand... I wanted some chaos over here.


OP is a troll. This thread should be locked.

Explain how OP is a troll.
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Postby Socialist Tera » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:54 am

Northern Dommaltand wrote:
Chernobyliya wrote:
Goddamnit Dommaltand... I wanted some chaos over here.


OP is a troll. This thread should be locked.

Here is a fair warning you can get a moderation for troll calling.
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Postby Kellsun » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:55 am

Socialist Tera wrote:
Kellsun wrote:Right. You jail them to remove them from the street, and then you torture them to actually punish them for what they've done.
I don't mean it to sound sadistic. I would like to think that the rapist is more sadistic than somebody wanting to punish them.

I want them to go to jail for life so they won't harm another human being. Torture might make them actually worse because they become mentally damaged.

Good. They likely mentally damaged their victim, too. After their prescribed punishment is completed, keep them isolated in a cell. If they cause too much trouble, execute them. I really couldn't care less about the well-being of a rapist.

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Postby Socialist Tera » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:57 am

Kellsun wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:I want them to go to jail for life so they won't harm another human being. Torture might make them actually worse because they become mentally damaged.

Good. They likely mentally damaged their victim, too. After their prescribed punishment is completed, keep them isolated in a cell. If they cause too much trouble, execute them. I really couldn't care less about the well-being of a rapist.

That's against the universal declaration of human rights. You are committing human rights abuses. Criminals still have right you know.
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Postby Targovia » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:57 am

Kellsun wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:I want them to go to jail for life so they won't harm another human being. Torture might make them actually worse because they become mentally damaged.

Good. They likely mentally damaged their victim, too. After their prescribed punishment is completed, keep them isolated in a cell. If they cause too much trouble, execute them. I really couldn't care less about the well-being of a rapist.

Je-sus, slow down. Most criminals can be rehabilitated (which we should try and do).
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Postby Northern Dommaltand » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:57 am

Crockerland wrote:
Northern Dommaltand wrote:
OP is a troll. This thread should be locked.

Explain how OP is a troll.


He wanted some chaos. He explicit pursued flamebaiting.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:58 am

Kellsun wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:I want them to go to jail for life so they won't harm another human being. Torture might make them actually worse because they become mentally damaged.

Good. They likely mentally damaged their victim, too. After their prescribed punishment is completed, keep them isolated in a cell. If they cause too much trouble, execute them. I really couldn't care less about the well-being of a rapist.


I might not care about a rapist either, but the criminal justice system, again, should not be a tool for people to take revenge on perpetrators of crime.
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Postby Targovia » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:59 am

Northern Dommaltand wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Explain how OP is a troll.


He wanted some chaos. He explicit pursued flamebaiting.

Quote some evidence por favor.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:00 am

Northern Dommaltand wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Explain how OP is a troll.


He wanted some chaos. He explicit pursued flamebaiting.

If you think someone is breaking the rules you should report them in moderation.
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Postby Northern Dommaltand » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:01 am

Targovia wrote:
Northern Dommaltand wrote:
He wanted some chaos. He explicit pursued flamebaiting.

Quote some evidence por favor.


Already quoted.

Chernobyliya wrote:
Goddamnit Dommaltand... I wanted some chaos over here.

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Postby Socialist Tera » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:01 am

Targovia wrote:
Kellsun wrote:Good. They likely mentally damaged their victim, too. After their prescribed punishment is completed, keep them isolated in a cell. If they cause too much trouble, execute them. I really couldn't care less about the well-being of a rapist.

Je-sus, slow down. Most criminals can be rehabilitated (which we should try and do).

Keep rapists in prison for life. It is safer this way.

Northern Dommaltand wrote:
Targovia wrote:Quote some evidence por favor.


Already quoted.

Chernobyliya wrote:
Goddamnit Dommaltand... I wanted some chaos over here.

Report it then. Don't trollcall, it can get you banned.
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Postby Northern Dommaltand » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:02 am

Targovia wrote:
Kellsun wrote:Good. They likely mentally damaged their victim, too. After their prescribed punishment is completed, keep them isolated in a cell. If they cause too much trouble, execute them. I really couldn't care less about the well-being of a rapist.

Je-sus, slow down. Most criminals can be rehabilitated (which we should try and do).


Except for rapists and terrorists.

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Postby Targovia » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:03 am

Northern Dommaltand wrote:
Targovia wrote:Je-sus, slow down. Most criminals can be rehabilitated (which we should try and do).


Except for rapists and terrorists.

Nay, I think rapists can be rehabilitated, not easily, but it can be done.
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