Julian Assange's Internet Intentionally Cut Out

[Greater Istanistan]

You mean back when the same rightists calling him a hero now were demanding he be locked up?

Yep. That's right.

See? He has nothing to worry about! All he has to do is get Trump elected, and then the Republicans will give him a Gitmo cell and a standing ovation!

[Ogrien]

It's funny how Assange was a hero to the left when he leaked shit about the Iraq War, but as soon as he leaked Clinton's crimes, the Left hates him and thinks he needs to be locked up.

I've wanted that creepy fucker in court since day one. His hiding out in an Ecuadorian embassy is laughable, and from the looks of it they've grown tired of him in there. Have your day in court and face the music. If Chelsea Manning was brave enough to go to jail for her revelations and Snowden courageous enough to risk it, then I'm pretty damn sure Assange should have the balls to face trial in Sweden, where they give the neo-Nazi terrorists X-boxes in jail.

I can't claim I've ever been impressed with Wikileaks. Collateral Murder was horribly mistreated to bias the viewer, the diplomatic cables never really revealed anything I consider shocking, and it's all gone downhill from their.

[Benxboro]

Yep. That's right.

See? He has nothing to worry about! All he has to do is get Trump elected, and then the Republicans will give him a Gitmo cell and a standing ovation!

A hero they can believe in, indeed! Just like Preston Cole before the Battle of Harvest.

[Magic Caravan]

Oh shit...

[Vassenor]

Oh shit...

Hmmm?

[Magic Caravan]

Oh shit...

Hmmm?

I enjoyed him leaking shit to the dismay of social liberals and conservatives.

[Freefall11111]

Hmmm?

I enjoyed him leaking shit to the dismay of social liberals and conservatives.

He wasn't the one doing the leaking.

[Magic Caravan]

I enjoyed him leaking shit to the dismay of social liberals and conservatives.

He wasn't the one doing the leaking.

Same thing. His website.

[Freefall11111]

He wasn't the one doing the leaking.

Same thing. His website.

It's debatable that he even controls Wikileaks at all anymore.

[Alvecia]

Hmmm?

I enjoyed him leaking shit to the dismay of social liberals and conservatives.

Am I mixing up my political wings or does that not refer to the vast majority of the spectrum?

[Novus America]

Lefties didn't care about that during the Iraq War.

You mean back when the same rightists calling him a hero now were demanding he be locked up?

You mean both sides are full of self serving, flip flopping hypocrites? No shit.
Tu quoque is not a defense though.

[Hittanryan]

Right, totally because of the emails and not because, you know, he's trying to avoid extradition to face trial for rape.

Lefties didn't care about that during the Iraq War.

The sexual assault charges weren't brought against Assange until 2012, two years after the Iraq War leaks.

[Isyrannaea]

Lefties didn't care about that during the Iraq War.

The sexual assault charges weren't brought against Assange until 2012, two years after the Iraq War leaks.

Level headed user informs me that I was wrong. What a surprise. Thanks by the way.

[Alvecia]

You mean back when the same rightists calling him a hero now were demanding he be locked up?

You mean both sides are full of self serving, flip flopping hypocrites? No shit.
Tu quoque is not a defense though.

It does being to light a certain cognitive dissonance though.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

By all accounts from those familiar with the man, the difference between the television persona and the actual man is a matter of degree, not type, and even then not by much.

And again, I'm not comfortable having a President where "Oh, the people around him would step in before it went too far" is considered a reasonable argument in his favor when it comes to nuclear weapons. It reminds me of Dennis Miller's defense of Ross Perot: "Come on, you don't think that they're going to let him anywhere near the REAL button, do you?"

I disagree. All accounts of the man show a greedy, cowardly bully who preys on the weak.

Now I am not comfortable with the idea of him being president. But he is not going to start a nuclear war. In fact if an actual nuclear crisis did happen, I bet he would be too paralyzed by his cowardice to actually do it if needed. Which is a problem of a different sort. A president needs strong convictions by tempered by practicality and reason. Trump has no convictions whatsoever besides self gain.

And there is no nuclear button.

Yes, and in his campaign appearances he comes across as a greedy, cowardly bully who preys upon the weak.

How long do you think it takes between the giving of an order and the turning of the key? In the debate tonight, Hillary Clinton said it was four minutes. Unless you have better information on the subject than a former Secretary of State, or she was lying, then that is not enough time to organize anything approaching serious opposition among the cabinet, much less convene a meeting to remove the President from office.

Your speculation regarding his willingness to go to war is a thin case to make, at best.

I'm aware that there is no actual "button". However, it's a common expression used to denote the enormous responsibility of the office when it comes to our nuclear arsenal, so that seems a trivial point to make.

[Novus America]

I disagree. All accounts of the man show a greedy, cowardly bully who preys on the weak.

Now I am not comfortable with the idea of him being president. But he is not going to start a nuclear war. In fact if an actual nuclear crisis did happen, I bet he would be too paralyzed by his cowardice to actually do it if needed. Which is a problem of a different sort. A president needs strong convictions by tempered by practicality and reason. Trump has no convictions whatsoever besides self gain.

And there is no nuclear button.

Yes, and in his campaign appearances he comes across as a greedy, cowardly bully who preys upon the weak.

How long do you think it takes between the giving of an order and the turning of the key? In the debate tonight, Hillary Clinton said it was four minutes. Unless you have better information on the subject than a former Secretary of State, or she was lying, then that is not enough time to organize anything approaching serious opposition among the cabinet, much less convene a meeting to remove the President from office.

Your speculation regarding his willingness to go to war is a thin case to make, at best.

I'm aware that there is no actual "button". However, it's a common expression used to denote the enormous responsibility of the office when it comes to our nuclear arsenal, so that seems a trivial point to make.

If the order is valid, yes it will only take 4 minutes. If he screams "nuke France because the isnsulted me" it would not go through so quickly.

Yes, he is a weak, cowardly bully. Weak cowardly bullies only prey on the weak. There is no reason they would start a nuclear war, especially against someone who can fight back. Bullies never pick on someone who can fight back.

Look I am no fan of Trump. He should not be president. But he is not going to fire nukes for the lols. He is not going to want to lose everything.

And again, Putin. Why does Putin support Trump? Putin does not want someone who will fire nukes, that could destroy Putin too. Putin likes Trump because Trump is a weakling who cowers from responsibility and strength. Putin like Trump because Trump WILL NOT make the hard decisions when he needs too. Because Trump will always back down when facing strength.

[PaNTuXIa]

It's funny how Assange was a hero to the left when he leaked shit about the Iraq War, but as soon as he leaked Clinton's crimes, the Left hates him and thinks he needs to be locked up.

I've wanted that creepy fucker in court since day one. His hiding out in an Ecuadorian embassy is laughable, and from the looks of it they've grown tired of him in there. Have your day in court and face the music. If Chelsea Manning was brave enough to go to jail for her revelations and Snowden courageous enough to risk it, then I'm pretty damn sure Assange should have the balls to face trial in Sweden, where they give the neo-Nazi terrorists X-boxes in jail.

So you don't think the info he leaked was valuable?

But yeah, he should probably face trial.

[PaNTuXIa]

Right, totally because of the emails and not because, you know, he's trying to avoid extradition to face trial for rape.

Lefties didn't care about that during the Iraq War.

Exactly. The "leftists" itt seem to have a yuge double standard.

[Vassenor]

I've wanted that creepy fucker in court since day one. His hiding out in an Ecuadorian embassy is laughable, and from the looks of it they've grown tired of him in there. Have your day in court and face the music. If Chelsea Manning was brave enough to go to jail for her revelations and Snowden courageous enough to risk it, then I'm pretty damn sure Assange should have the balls to face trial in Sweden, where they give the neo-Nazi terrorists X-boxes in jail.

So you don't think the info he leaked was valuable?

But yeah, he should probably face trial.

How do we determine value?

[PaNTuXIa]

So you don't think the info he leaked was valuable?

But yeah, he should probably face trial.

How do we determine value?

In the emails his organization leaked, we discovered that the DNC favored Hillary, Hillary has a "private position," bankers shaped Obama's cabinet, and Hillary was truly center-right.

[Vassenor]

How do we determine value?

In the emails his organization leaked, we discovered that the DNC favored Hillary, Hillary has a "private position," bankers shaped Obama's cabinet, and Hillary was truly center-right.

So nothing we didn't already know then.

And indeed nothing that wouldn't have happened without him.

[SaintB]

Lefties didn't care about that during the Iraq War.

Exactly. The "leftists" itt seem to have a yuge double standard.

The Iraq War thing was before the rape charges.

[Ifreann]

It's funny how Assange was a hero to the left when he leaked shit about the Iraq War, but as soon as he leaked Clinton's crimes, the Left hates him and thinks he needs to be locked up.

Strange, I don't remember being a right winger in 2012 when I wanted him locked up.

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Hmmm?

I enjoyed him leaking shit to the dismay of social liberals and conservatives.

Wikileaks does not require Julian Assange to be online in order to leak things.

[Shofercia]

Yes, and that's just Nixon. Now imagine Trump in the same position.

Error 404. Daisy Ad Card has already been played. Second attempt at it, is not working on Americans.

Yes, I alluded to his consideration of going nuclear in Vietnam. That's still dramatically different from what we were discussing, which was whether or not the military would interfere if Trump ordered a nuclear strike. It's night and day.

Erm, yeah, the military would. They're not idiots. The whole "Trump nukes bad" argument has so many holes in it, that you can drive a tank division through it. First, it assumes, rather foolishly, that Trump would use nukes based on emotion instead of reason. Trump deliberately overplays emotion because Clinton is like a robot. It's an incredible stretch to go from "Trump mean to robot in debate" to "Trump will launch nukes on emotion". Yes, Trump has a lot of bullshit lawsuits. No, that doesn't mean that he'll nuke random countries for emotional reasons.

Second, it assumes, rather foolishly, that no one in Trump's cabinet would stand up to him. When Nixon wanted to nuke Vietnam, as I've aptly demonstrated, Kissinger stood up to him. To think that no one in Trump's cabinet would stand up to him is rather foolish. Third, Trump wants good relations with other countries, (except Mexico and Muslim countries,) and he understands that using nukes won't make those relations good. When Hillary brought that up, not really to answer a question, but for the sole purpose of attacking Trump, he said that he just wanted to stop paying for the defense of various countries, and Hillary looked extremely foolish trying to stretch that.

Fourth, even if all of that doesn't work, the military will step in. NATO's military stopped a direct order from Wes Clark, from starting WWIII. I'm fairly certain that the US military is at least as competent, even when the Clinton appointees are able to use their influence.

C'mon guys, the US military is way more competent than that, to start a nuclear war. The people on the ground, the people with their hands on the nuclear keys, etc, they're not idiots. They're not going to be blindly obedient. No one is going to go from DEFCON 5 to LAUNCH NUKES because Trump had a bad hair day. I get that some Democrats are trying to replicate the Daisy ad, but c'mon, this is just ridiculous. Heck, a Clinton buddy, Wes Clark, almost started WWIII over Kosovo. Didn't happen, because men on the ground realized what could happened, and opted to compromise instead.

The Daisy Ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDTBnsqxZ3k

At least some Democrats are following the environmental motto: reduce, reuse, recycle.

Which doesn't take into account Trump's stated willingness to purge the military like Uncle Joe and fill it in with his toadies.

Ahh yes, I can see it now, massive military executions under president Trump... wait what?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

How do we determine value?

In the emails his organization leaked, we discovered that the DNC favored Hillary, Hillary has a "private position," bankers shaped Obama's cabinet, and Hillary was truly center-right.

To the surprise of no one who has been paying attention.