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Conserative Morality wrote:

Sanctissima wrote:That's not the point.

The point is that some things remain true because they're so logically basic, it's a near-impossibility for them to ever be proven wrong. Saying that an entity needs matter in order to be an entity is the same as saying something needs to be made of something in order to be something. It's logically infallible.

To say that the smallest unit of matter in existence can be itself split is wrong on such a logically basic level that it's impossible for it to be true.

What you're trying to argue is that in the case of God, something that's made of nothing can still be considered something. That's 100% logically fallible, and always will be, no matter how scientifically advanced we become.

Never delve into metaphysics. It'll really fuck with your head, then.

When discussing God, abstract concepts are key to forming understandings, or understandings of understandings. If you don't have the flexibility to, say, discuss (not necessarily agree with - discuss without dismissing out of hand) the possibility that causality doesn't exist, then you shouldn't really be involved in any higher-level theological or philosophical debates.

Sanctissima wrote:I can discuss things like the nature of Jesus, who your god is, why he's special compared to other peoples' gods, and any number of theological concepts. But if you're unwilling to acknowledge the most basic of scientific facts, and claim that philosophy is some special realm of thought where the most fundamental laws of the universe can be broken, then you're deluding yourself.

Do you want to know the truth about metaphysics? It's just quantum physics for people who aren't smart enough to be scientists.

Conserative Morality wrote:

Sanctissima wrote:I can discuss things like the nature of Jesus, who your god is, why he's special compared to other peoples' gods, and any number of theological concepts. But if you're unwilling to acknowledge the most basic of scientific facts, and claim that philosophy is some special realm of thought where the most fundamental laws of the universe can be broken, then you're deluding yourself.

Do you want to know the truth about metaphysics? It's just quantum physics for people who aren't smart enough to be scientists.

Edgier than a teen vampire hunter with a katana.

Sanctissima wrote:

Conserative Morality wrote:Edgier than a teen vampire hunter with a katana.

Yeah, well, it's true, so take it as you will.

Needless to say I'm not a huge fan of philosophy. Then again, science has managed to explain in a matter of centuries what philosophy has painstakingly attempted over the course of millennia. The entire discipline is about as outdated as alchemy.

Uiiop wrote:

Sanctissima wrote:
Yeah, well, it's true, so take it as you will.

Needless to say I'm not a huge fan of philosophy. Then again, science has managed to explain in a matter of centuries what philosophy has painstakingly attempted over the course of millennia. The entire discipline is about as outdated as alchemy.

You are aware science is philosophy right?

Sanctissima wrote:Yeah, well, it's true, so take it as you will.

Needless to say I'm not a huge fan of philosophy. Then again, science has managed to explain in a matter of centuries what philosophy has painstakingly attempted over the course of millennia. The entire discipline is about as outdated as alchemy.

Uiiop wrote:

Sanctissima wrote:
Yeah, well, it's true, so take it as you will.

Needless to say I'm not a huge fan of philosophy. Then again, science has managed to explain in a matter of centuries what philosophy has painstakingly attempted over the course of millennia. The entire discipline is about as outdated as alchemy.

You are aware science is philosophy right?

Conserative Morality wrote:

Sanctissima wrote:Yeah, well, it's true, so take it as you will.

Needless to say I'm not a huge fan of philosophy. Then again, science has managed to explain in a matter of centuries what philosophy has painstakingly attempted over the course of millennia. The entire discipline is about as outdated as alchemy.

Sounds like someone doesn't understand the point of philosophy. Alternatively, you don't know the boundaries of science.

Conserative Morality wrote:

Sanctissima wrote:Yeah, well, it's true, so take it as you will.

Needless to say I'm not a huge fan of philosophy. Then again, science has managed to explain in a matter of centuries what philosophy has painstakingly attempted over the course of millennia. The entire discipline is about as outdated as alchemy.

Sounds like someone doesn't understand the point of philosophy. Alternatively, you don't know the boundaries of science.

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:To be fair, philosophy didn't build my house.

Sanctissima wrote:

Uiiop wrote:You are aware science is philosophy right?

Hardly.

Science is actually studying things through empirical research.

Philosophy is inflecting on things, and arriving at conclusions through what is mostly thought alone. There are vast differences between the two.

Conserative Morality wrote:

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:To be fair, philosophy didn't build my house.

Not philosophy's job. Not really science's job either.

Sanctissima wrote:The point of philosophy is the exact same as that of science, it's just that one goes about achieving its objectives with labs and actual research while the other sits down on a rock, looks up at the sky and ponders.

Anonymous Union wrote:Biology = Human building house
Physics = Movement of people building house

WOW.

Conserative Morality wrote:

Anonymous Union wrote:Biology = Human building house
Physics = Movement of people building house

WOW.

Science can figure out how those things come about, but before the advent of modern scientific theory, houses still got built. It's not science's job to perform anything. Science is discovery and knowledge, not progress. Science describes reality as it is.

Conserative Morality wrote:

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:To be fair, philosophy didn't build my house.

Not philosophy's job. Not really science's job either.

AtlantisB wrote:So I was blocked for political nicknaming, uh? Must be because of the Hillwitch and Adolf Hitler Trump. Well, then I'll call them Hillwhore or Billswhore and Auschwitz Josef Mengele Trump. How do you like that?

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:

AtlantisB wrote:So I was blocked for political nicknaming, uh? Must be because of the Hillwitch and Adolf Hitler Trump. Well, then I'll call them Hillwhore or Billswhore and Auschwitz Josef Mengele Trump. How do you like that?

Consider going to 4Chan please.

>>>/pol/

Conserative Morality wrote: Science describes reality as it is.

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:

Conserative Morality wrote: Science describes reality as it is.

Pretty sure Nihilism is under philosophy. :^)

Ashkera wrote:Science is about what is.

Philosophy is about what we call it, and what it should be. Or should not be. Or whether there even is a "should."

Diopolis wrote:

Ashkera wrote:Science is about what is.

Philosophy is about what we call it, and what it should be. Or should not be. Or whether there even is a "should."

No. Philosophy is about what is and what should be. Science is about how it behaves.