US Gen. Election Thread V: The Hunt for Red October Surprise

[Thermodolia]

Interesting statement from McMullin. I wouldn't mind him winning Utah if it forces the GOP to become sane again.

McMullin called for a new conservative movement dedicated to equality and criticized Republicans for alienating minorities. He said the party will have a civil war no matter what happens on Election Day.

"Right now you have a party in the Republican Party that turns away people of different races, turns away people of different religions," he said. "It's unlikely that the Republican Party will be able to make the kinds of changes it needs to make after this election. These are generational problems."

He might actually run in 2020

[Lancaster of Wessex]

So has anyone actually provided evidence of the supposed vote rigging yet?

Nope.

[Cannot think of a name]

I know that a wall is just stupididly expensive and not as efficient as people believe. But how is it racist or morally wrong?

I mean illegal immigration is not something you cannot ignore.

The vast majority of people that come in illegally to the US don't come across the southern border. In fact they overstay their visas or come in via airplanes.

Now if you said that we need a wall to keep the drugs out, that wouldn't work either. As different drugs come from different areas. Cocaine and marijuana tend to come from the southern border or in on ships; but heroin, which the US has a major problem with at the moment, comes though the northern border.

If we legalized marijuana it'd come from Northern California like god intended.

[Zurkerx]

Interesting statement from McMullin. I wouldn't mind him winning Utah if it forces the GOP to become sane again.

McMullin called for a new conservative movement dedicated to equality and criticized Republicans for alienating minorities. He said the party will have a civil war no matter what happens on Election Day.

"Right now you have a party in the Republican Party that turns away people of different races, turns away people of different religions," he said. "It's unlikely that the Republican Party will be able to make the kinds of changes it needs to make after this election. These are generational problems."

Well, he isn't wrong that's for sure.

[Philjia]

I know that a wall is just stupididly expensive and not as efficient as people believe. But how is it racist or morally wrong?

I mean illegal immigration is not something you cannot ignore.

The vast majority of people that come in illegally to the US don't come across the southern border. In fact they overstay their visas or come in via airplanes.

Now if you said that we need a wall to keep the drugs out, that wouldn't work either. As different drugs come from different areas. Cocaine and marijuana tend to come from the southern border or in on ships; but heroin, which the US has a major problem with at the moment, comes though the northern border.

Also there are plenty that cross the southern border via underground routes. If push comes to shove, the cartels will simply hire an unscrupulous civil engineer to sort them out a way under any more reinforced border.

[Thermodolia]

Interesting statement from McMullin. I wouldn't mind him winning Utah if it forces the GOP to become sane again.

Conservatism is antithetical to equality.

Depends on what branch. Conservatism like every idea has separate branches, libertarian conservatives and business conservatives tend to not care what people do with their social lives compared to social conservatives and religious conservatives.

[Collatis]

Interesting statement from McMullin. I wouldn't mind him winning Utah if it forces the GOP to become sane again.

He might actually run in 2020

I wonder if he could have a shot at winning Hatch's Senate seat, if he doesn't run, in 2018. That would certainly make things interesting.

[Cannot think of a name]

So has anyone actually provided evidence of the supposed vote rigging yet?

Nope.

Hey now, a noted hack filmed a bunch of shit out of a duffle bag in such a way that if you really really want to believe you can kinda sorta interpret it as people being tangentially in favor of voter fraud...IT'S RIGGED I TELLS YA!

[Thermodolia]

The vast majority of people that come in illegally to the US don't come across the southern border. In fact they overstay their visas or come in via airplanes.

Now if you said that we need a wall to keep the drugs out, that wouldn't work either. As different drugs come from different areas. Cocaine and marijuana tend to come from the southern border or in on ships; but heroin, which the US has a major problem with at the moment, comes though the northern border.

Also there are plenty that cross the southern border via underground routes. If push comes to shove, the cartels will simply hire an unscrupulous civil engineer to sort them out a way under any more reinforced border.

True. At last count there where over 500 tunnels underneath the border.

[MERIZoC]

Conservatism is antithetical to equality.

Depends on what branch. Conservatism like every idea has separate branches, libertarian conservatives and business conservatives tend to not care what people do with their social lives compared to social conservatives and religious conservatives.

Libertarian conservatives and "business conservatives" (whatever the fuck you think that means) are just as against equality as any other conservative.

[Thermodolia]

Nope.

Hey now, a noted hack filmed a bunch of shit out of a duffle bag in such a way that if you really really want to believe you can kinda sorta interpret it as people being tangentially in favor of voter fraud...IT'S RIGGED I TELLS YA!

Didn't Gingrich already do that? It feels like there is fraud so there must be fraud!

[Thermodolia]

Depends on what branch. Conservatism like every idea has separate branches, libertarian conservatives and business conservatives tend to not care what people do with their social lives compared to social conservatives and religious conservatives.

Libertarian conservatives and "business conservatives" (whatever the fuck you think that means) are just as against equality as any other conservative.

Not really. Business conservatives are basically conservatives who only care about business they don't care about social issues in the way that religious conservatives do. To business conservatives social issues are bargaining points for business, they have and will compromise on social issues in order to get what they want with businesses.

[Collatis]

Libertarian conservatives and "business conservatives" (whatever the fuck you think that means) are just as against equality as any other conservative.

Not really. Business conservatives are basically conservatives who only care about business they don't care about social issues in the way that religious conservatives do. To business conservatives social issues are bargaining points for business, they have and will compromise on social issues in order to get what they want with businesses.

But I think it's fairly evident that economic conservatives do not exactly stand for equality in any way, shape, or form. They might not care about gay marriage and the culture war, but the economic policies they advocate for still result in inequality.

[Thermodolia]

Not really. Business conservatives are basically conservatives who only care about business they don't care about social issues in the way that religious conservatives do. To business conservatives social issues are bargaining points for business, they have and will compromise on social issues in order to get what they want with businesses.

But I think it's fairly evident that economic conservatives do not exactly stand for equality in any way, shape, or form. They might not care about gay marriage and the culture war, but the economic policies they advocate for still result in inequality.

Yes they will definitely result in economic inequality but at least social equality improves more than with religious/social conservatives.

My state, GA, is currently run by economic conservatives.

[Lady Scylla]

The vast majority of people that come in illegally to the US don't come across the southern border. In fact they overstay their visas or come in via airplanes.

Now if you said that we need a wall to keep the drugs out, that wouldn't work either. As different drugs come from different areas. Cocaine and marijuana tend to come from the southern border or in on ships; but heroin, which the US has a major problem with at the moment, comes though the northern border.

Also there are plenty that cross the southern border via underground routes. If push comes to shove, the cartels will simply hire an unscrupulous civil engineer to sort them out a way under any more reinforced border.

They've even smuggled drugs in via homemade submarines.

[Thermodolia]

Also there are plenty that cross the southern border via underground routes. If push comes to shove, the cartels will simply hire an unscrupulous civil engineer to sort them out a way under any more reinforced border.

They've even smuggled drugs in via homemade submarines.

That seems like a really bad idea.

[Geilinor]

Not really. Business conservatives are basically conservatives who only care about business they don't care about social issues in the way that religious conservatives do. To business conservatives social issues are bargaining points for business, they have and will compromise on social issues in order to get what they want with businesses.

But I think it's fairly evident that economic conservatives do not exactly stand for equality in any way, shape, or form. They might not care about gay marriage and the culture war, but the economic policies they advocate for still result in inequality.

By equality that quote meant equal rights. I don't support McMullin but he had a point that Republicans have got to moderate.

[Alvecia]

Also there are plenty that cross the southern border via underground routes. If push comes to shove, the cartels will simply hire an unscrupulous civil engineer to sort them out a way under any more reinforced border.

They've even smuggled drugs in via homemade submarines.

My favourite is that clip from Last Week Tonight which showed them just throwing drugs over the wall.

[Vassenor]

Hey now, a noted hack filmed a bunch of shit out of a duffle bag in such a way that if you really really want to believe you can kinda sorta interpret it as people being tangentially in favor of voter fraud...IT'S RIGGED I TELLS YA!

Didn't Gingrich already do that? It feels like there is fraud so there must be fraud!

Well Trump did claim that the fact he's not winning in every single poll proves there's fraud. Somehow.

[Thermodolia]

Didn't Gingrich already do that? It feels like there is fraud so there must be fraud!

Well Trump did claim that the fact he's not winning in every single poll proves there's fraud. Somehow.

He's just mad that he can't buy them out.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Well Trump did claim that the fact he's not winning in every single poll proves there's fraud. Somehow.

He's just mad that he can't buy them out.

Trump: "I'm gonna sue the polls!!! Quick Melania, warm up the jet, I'm flying to Warsaw to see my lawyers there!!!"

[Trumpostan]

Interesting statement from McMullin. I wouldn't mind him winning Utah if it forces the GOP to become sane again.

Well, he isn't wrong that's for sure.

I would welcome back a sane GOP. A healthy democracy requires at least two parties you can trust to handle government responsibility. I see little in McMullin's platform I'd agree with but I know he at least wouldn't run the country into the ground W-style.

[Thermodolia]

He's just mad that he can't buy them out.

Trump: "I'm gonna sue the polls!!! Quick Melania, warm up the jet, I'm flying to Warsaw to see my lawyers there!!!"

"The ones with the funny little hats"

[MERIZoC]

But I think it's fairly evident that economic conservatives do not exactly stand for equality in any way, shape, or form. They might not care about gay marriage and the culture war, but the economic policies they advocate for still result in inequality.

By equality that quote meant equal rights. I don't support McMullin but he had a point that Republicans have got to moderate.

If the concept of equal rights only extends to marriage and abortion then it's practically meaningless. Being more "moderate" has nothing to do with equality.

[Thermodolia]

By equality that quote meant equal rights. I don't support McMullin but he had a point that Republicans have got to moderate.

If the concept of equal rights only extends to marriage and abortion then it's practically meaningless. Being more "moderate" has nothing to do with equality.

Would you rather that the USA become a single part state?