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by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:34 am
by United Marxist Nations » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:49 am
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Generally a chicken egg is unfertalized, so making an omelette doesn't actually kill anything. Secondly, a human and a chicken are not equal examples, it's perfectly legal and widely considered morally fine to kill a chicken. Same cannot be said for Humans.
Both are god's creatures. Do both not deserve god's love?
Second, when a chicken : kills millions,creates a dystopian government, uses white phosphorus munitions and, creates a bomb cable of scorching the earth.
Let me know. Until then, chickens are the more moral species of the two.
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:16 am
United Marxist Nations wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Both are god's creatures. Do both not deserve god's love?
Second, when a chicken : kills millions,creates a dystopian government, uses white phosphorus munitions and, creates a bomb cable of scorching the earth.
Let me know. Until then, chickens are the more moral species of the two.
Quit coming up with excuses to justify abortion. Now you are coming dangerously close to heresy, because you are denying that it is wrong.
by United Marxist Nations » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:17 am
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:Quit coming up with excuses to justify abortion. Now you are coming dangerously close to heresy, because you are denying that it is wrong.
How about we just both stop this silly discussion that at this point should be moved to the abortion thread?
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:24 am
United Marxist Nations wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:How about we just both stop this silly discussion that at this point should be moved to the abortion thread?
It doesn't belong in the abortion thread because we are discussing the religious implications of abortion. The opinion held by the Church fathers and by the Apostolic Churches is that abortion is wrong, and shouldn't be done (barring cases where the mother's life is medically endangered by the pregnancy).
by United Marxist Nations » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:26 am
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:It doesn't belong in the abortion thread because we are discussing the religious implications of abortion. The opinion held by the Church fathers and by the Apostolic Churches is that abortion is wrong, and shouldn't be done (barring cases where the mother's life is medically endangered by the pregnancy).
It is still about abortions and therefore, should be in the abortion thread.
For the record, that wasn't an excuse to justify abortion. It was an argument that chickens haven't built anything like white phosphorus munitions... that we know of.
But srsly, look up what they do to people if you are morbidly curious.
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:45 am
United Marxist Nations wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote: It is still about abortions and therefore, should be in the abortion thread.
For the record, that wasn't an excuse to justify abortion. It was an argument that chickens haven't built anything like white phosphorus munitions... that we know of.
But srsly, look up what they do to people if you are morbidly curious.
I know very well what people do to people that is horrible. After all, I have been taking a uni course on Eastern Europe in the twentieth century. Pretty morbid stuff.
by Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:43 am
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Generally a chicken egg is unfertalized, so making an omelette doesn't actually kill anything. Secondly, a human and a chicken are not equal examples, it's perfectly legal and widely considered morally fine to kill a chicken. Same cannot be said for Humans.
Both are god's creatures. Do both not deserve god's love?
Second, when a chicken : kills millions,creates a dystopian government, uses white phosphorus munitions and, creates a bomb cable of scorching the earth.
Let me know. Until then, chickens are the more moral species of the two.
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:59 am
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Both are god's creatures. Do both not deserve god's love?
Second, when a chicken : kills millions,creates a dystopian government, uses white phosphorus munitions and, creates a bomb cable of scorching the earth.
Let me know. Until then, chickens are the more moral species of the two.
A chicken is not moral, because it has no morality. Like 99.99999% of animal specials,. It goes where it goes, it does what it does, by its instinct not by moral inclination. It's an animal. That trait which by providence gives Humanity its penchant for Art, Music, Philosophy, Altruism, Philanthropy, etc,... is also the same trait that gives it blood lust, ambition, hatred, rivalry, etc etc. Morality is entirely a human affair.
by The Alma Mater » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:00 am
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Both are god's creatures. Do both not deserve god's love?
Second, when a chicken : kills millions,creates a dystopian government, uses white phosphorus munitions and, creates a bomb cable of scorching the earth.
Let me know. Until then, chickens are the more moral species of the two.
A chicken is not moral, because it has no morality. Like 99.99999% of animal specials,. It goes where it goes, it does what it does, by its instinct not by moral inclination. It's an animal. That trait which by providence gives Humanity its penchant for Art, Music, Philosophy, Altruism, Philanthropy, etc,... is also the same trait that gives it blood lust, ambition, hatred, rivalry, etc etc. Morality is entirely a human affair.
by Normal Republic of the Netherlands » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:07 am
by Irecker » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:08 am
Normal Republic of the Netherlands wrote:If you believe in a religion, that will be the same if you believe in flying patato
by The Blaatschapen » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:13 am
Normal Republic of the Netherlands wrote:If you believe in a religion, that will be the same if you believe in flying patato
by Mondressa » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:18 am
by Salus Maior » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:25 am
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Both are god's creatures. Do both not deserve god's love?
Second, when a chicken : kills millions,creates a dystopian government, uses white phosphorus munitions and, creates a bomb cable of scorching the earth.
Let me know. Until then, chickens are the more moral species of the two.
by Mondressa » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:33 am
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:35 am
Salus Maior wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Both are god's creatures. Do both not deserve god's love?
Second, when a chicken : kills millions,creates a dystopian government, uses white phosphorus munitions and, creates a bomb cable of scorching the earth.
Let me know. Until then, chickens are the more moral species of the two.
You tell me:
3 When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers,
The moon and the stars, which You have ordained;
4 What is man that You take thought of him,
And the son of man that You care for him?
5 Yet You have made him a little lower than God,
And You crown him with glory and majesty!
6 You make him to rule over the works of Your hands;
You have put all things under his feet,
7 All sheep and oxen,
And also the beasts of the field,
8 The birds of the heavens and the fish of the sea,
Whatever passes through the paths of the seas.
9 O LORD, our Lord,
How majestic is Your name in all the earth! Psalm 8: 3-9
I think it's pretty clear who God values more. Chickens were created for the benefit of Humanity, Humanity is God's primary creation, made in His own image. I don't think I need to elaborate further how bad your theology is.
Nevermind that you're basically excusing the death of innocents because of the crimes of others.
Salus Maior wrote:the issues around child abuse are not going to be solved with abortion, the core of the issue is in economics and issues surrounding poor living. Which can be solved.
by Diopolis » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:47 am
Chickens kill each other all the time. Say what you will about people, but at least we don't have to castrate our males to prevent them from killing and eating each other on sight.The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
You tell me:
3 When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers,
The moon and the stars, which You have ordained;
4 What is man that You take thought of him,
And the son of man that You care for him?
5 Yet You have made him a little lower than God,
And You crown him with glory and majesty!
6 You make him to rule over the works of Your hands;
You have put all things under his feet,
7 All sheep and oxen,
And also the beasts of the field,
8 The birds of the heavens and the fish of the sea,
Whatever passes through the paths of the seas.
9 O LORD, our Lord,
How majestic is Your name in all the earth! Psalm 8: 3-9
I think it's pretty clear who God values more. Chickens were created for the benefit of Humanity, Humanity is God's primary creation, made in His own image. I don't think I need to elaborate further how bad your theology is.
Nevermind that you're basically excusing the death of innocents because of the crimes of others.
Yet humans kill each other all the time, chickens don't.
I am?
by Soursis » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:54 am
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:57 am
Diopolis wrote:Chickens kill each other all the time. Say what you will about people, but at least we don't have to castrate our males to prevent them from killing and eating each other on sight.The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Yet humans kill each other all the time, chickens don't.
I am?
by United Marxist Nations » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:13 pm
Mondressa wrote:Being methodist, its my personal belief to take the bible literally in parts that should be taken that way. I dont think its right to think the entire bible as metaphor or just a story. What happened in the bible happened, imo. If Jesus said he was the son of God and that he was sent to save us then i believe thats true. Now of course some parts are metaphors but otherwise i think most should be taken literally. Maybe im just a unintelligent christian who doesnt know anything but thats my opinion and how i believe. Its very cool and informative to see what others think tho
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by Diopolis » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:19 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
You tell me:
3 When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers,
The moon and the stars, which You have ordained;
4 What is man that You take thought of him,
And the son of man that You care for him?
5 Yet You have made him a little lower than God,
And You crown him with glory and majesty!
6 You make him to rule over the works of Your hands;
You have put all things under his feet,
7 All sheep and oxen,
And also the beasts of the field,
8 The birds of the heavens and the fish of the sea,
Whatever passes through the paths of the seas.
9 O LORD, our Lord,
How majestic is Your name in all the earth! Psalm 8: 3-9
I think it's pretty clear who God values more. Chickens were created for the benefit of Humanity, Humanity is God's primary creation, made in His own image. I don't think I need to elaborate further how bad your theology is.
Nevermind that you're basically excusing the death of innocents because of the crimes of others.
Yet humans kill each other all the time, chickens don't.
I am? I didn't know I was.Salus Maior wrote:the issues around child abuse are not going to be solved with abortion, the core of the issue is in economics and issues surrounding poor living. Which can be solved.
Continuing thoughts on this:
No child = no child abuse.
No augment made so far acknowledges the fact that solving poverty is going to take decades of work.
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:36 pm
Diopolis wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Yet humans kill each other all the time, chickens don't.
I am? I didn't know I was.
Continuing thoughts on this:
No child = no child abuse.
No augment made so far acknowledges the fact that solving poverty is going to take decades of work.
By your logic, we should kill everyone in poverty. It would solve poverty.
by Nordengrund » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:37 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Mondressa wrote:Being methodist, its my personal belief to take the bible literally in parts that should be taken that way. I dont think its right to think the entire bible as metaphor or just a story. What happened in the bible happened, imo. If Jesus said he was the son of God and that he was sent to save us then i believe thats true. Now of course some parts are metaphors but otherwise i think most should be taken literally. Maybe im just a unintelligent christian who doesnt know anything but thats my opinion and how i believe. Its very cool and informative to see what others think tho
On the issue of literalism, I take the New Testament as being entirely literal. Most of the Old Testament is also literal. Genesis, I am kind of divided on. I think the events in it happened (i.e. the Fall happened), but I am not sure whether I am ready to take it entirely literally in terms of YEC.
by Diopolis » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:49 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Diopolis wrote:By your logic, we should kill everyone in poverty. It would solve poverty.
How did you even interrupt that from what I said?
Solving poverty has been a very very long fight battled by liberal democracies for centuries now.
Poverty is still a huge problem after all this time.
Until such time as poverty is no longer a thing, abusive homes still exist. Child quality of life will remain extremely low for those in low income families.
Until such time as poverty is solved the best economic thing for low income wed couples is to get an abortion.
By all means, we should continue being good christians and help fight poverty. Only then abortion should be debated on. Until then it should remain legal.
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