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Male Genital Mutilation is more important compared to Female Genital Mutilation.
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7%
Male Genital Mutilation is just as pressing of an issue as Female Genital Mutilation.
84
46%
Male Genital Mutilation is not as important of an issue as Female Genital Mutilation.
42
23%
Male Genital Mutilation is not important compared to Female Genital Mutilation.
18
10%
Male Genital Mutilation doesn't exist, and I should be able to cut anything I want off my sons because of my religion.
11
6%
Male Genital Mutilation doesn't exist, and I should be able to cut anything I want off my sons because it makes their genitals healthier.
13
7%
 
Total votes : 181

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:51 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:circumcision isn't bad, a lot of people actually like having it...I know I do 8)

Imma find ahadith about cicumcision, I don't know if it's at an infant stage or at puberty...

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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:52 pm

Ipland wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Male circumcision is fine.
Also, since there's a way to cut the tip (apologies for the vulgar language, I don't know the correct term) of the penis without messing the whole genitals up entirely, is there a way to do so for females, or not?

If they're an adult. Why would someone cut someone without their consent??

Religious reasons.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Saiwania » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:01 pm

Nazeroth wrote:circumcision isn't bad, a lot of people actually like having it...I know I do.


Now that is a lie. Nobody who has ever had the procedure didn't suffer pain as a consequence. There are people who're content with being circumcised but the procedure itself is never anything pleasant. The talking point about someone needing to be over 18 to get male circumcision is woefully ignorant to say the least- nobody in effect would rationally get the procedure beyond a certain age. There is nothing to gain but everything to lose at that point. If male circumcision is to be done at all, infancy is an age which gets a superior outcome statistically speaking.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:02 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Ipland wrote:If they're an adult. Why would someone cut someone without their consent??

Religious reasons.


Not good enough.

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Postby Ipland » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:03 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Ipland wrote:If they're an adult. Why would someone cut someone without their consent??

Religious reasons.

How is this an excuse???
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:04 pm

Ipland wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Religious reasons.

How is this an excuse???

People don't need an excuse to force their religious beliefs on children, just that they can.

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Postby PaNTuXIa » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:05 pm

Honestly, both of them are disgusting, and should be banned. Genital mutilation should be outlawed until the child is of the age, then he/she can hurt himself as much as he/she wants.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:14 pm

Settrah wrote:Can we stop pretending that penis is a dirty word?

I'm seeing this quite a bit on other threads, people are treating the term like it's a forbidden rude taboo. We are all adults here...

What gave you that idea?
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:20 pm

Settrah wrote:Can we stop pretending that penis is a dirty word?

I'm seeing this quite a bit on other threads, people are treating the term like it's a forbidden rude taboo. We are all adults here. It's the anatomical term for a part of the body. Just say what it is.

Who thinks that it is? I've never seen that occur.
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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:27 pm

Ifreann wrote:In my experience, calling it "male genital mutilation" is a great way to get people to not listen to you.


When you attach "male" to any issue you make it less important.
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Postby Settrah » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:29 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:Male circumcision is fine.
Also, since there's a way to cut the tip (apologies for the vulgar language, I don't know the correct term) of the penis without messing the whole genitals up entirely, is there a way to do so for females, or not?


This bit here.

Penis isn't a dirty word.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:33 pm

Ipland wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Religious reasons.

How is this an excuse???

It's not an excuse.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:33 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Religious reasons.


Not good enough.

Says who?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby PaNTuXIa » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:35 pm

Settrah wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Male circumcision is fine.
Also, since there's a way to cut the tip (apologies for the vulgar language, I don't know the correct term) of the penis without messing the whole genitals up entirely, is there a way to do so for females, or not?


This bit here.

Penis isn't a dirty word.

That's one person.
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Postby Crockerland » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:38 pm

Female Genital Mutilation: Disables a woman from having sexual pleasure by removing her clitoris or entirely removes her ability to have sex/get pregnant, depending on the type.
Circumcision (Male Genital "Mutilation"): Oh boo hoo, it kills some nerve endings and gives you a .003% higher chance of getting AIDs :(

Clearly, reality has a double standard and is a Misandrist.


Good job listing Google and Wikipedia as your sources lmao.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:39 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Not good enough.

Says who?


Me.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:42 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Ifreann wrote:In my experience, calling it "male genital mutilation" is a great way to get people to not listen to you.


When you attach "male" to any issue you make it less important.

*pat pat*
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:43 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
When you attach "male" to any issue you make it less important.

*pat pat*
Sure thing, buddy.


"Male-patting"

Now your sarcasm means nothing. :)

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Postby Settrah » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:43 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Settrah wrote:
This bit here.

Penis isn't a dirty word.

That's one person.


But you've never seen it occur?

Anyway I have seen it elsewhere, at least 2 other times, but I'm not prepared to look through all posts in every thread I've visited recently to find quotes. So whatever I guess. As long as the majority of people aren't terrified to use it, and know it's a normal term, it's ok.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:45 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ifreann wrote:*pat pat*
Sure thing, buddy.


"Male-patting"

Now your sarcasm means nothing. :)

Noooo, my sarcasm. :(
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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:46 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:Removal of the male foreskin is not equivalent to the practice of female-genital mutiliation


Yes it is. Both are used to control sexuality.

This is not practiced in medically safe conditions, whereas western male circumcision is usually done medically.


You do realize men are circumcised in non-Western countries, right? A lot of Muslim states often perform circumcision on the child at school age without anesthetic.

I'm circumcised, and it causes me no discomforts no prevents me from achieving sexual release to any discernible degree.


Except eventually, the layer of skin that previously was not exposed is now exposed and will thicken to protect the nerves, thus dulling the effect of sex and therefore the pleasure. Eventually you will have to perform harder and harder to get the same pleasure out of it until sex becomes too painful for the woman.

So, enjoy the loss of your sex life.

I think child circumcision should be banned as medically unnecessary potentially harmful. But don't pretend that the two are the same, because they're not.


They are the same. You only think it's worse because you were circumcised without your permission and you face a loss of sexual pleasure. Your argument is nothing more than a coping mechanism for your emasculation.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:48 pm

Crockerland wrote:Female Genital Mutilation: Disables a woman from having sexual pleasure by removing her clitoris or entirely removes her ability to have sex/get pregnant, depending on the type.
Circumcision (Male Genital "Mutilation"): Oh boo hoo, it kills some nerve endings and gives you a .003% higher chance of getting AIDs :(

Clearly, reality has a double standard and is a Misandrist.


Good job listing Google and Wikipedia as your sources lmao.


Actually the skin becomes thicker to compensate for the loss of the foreskin and thus dulls the effects of sex to the point where it becomes unpleasurable and painful for the woman to experience because of the effort required to achieve the same pleasure.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:50 pm

What the Holy Qur'an says on circumcision: http://www.quranicpath.com/misconceptio ... ision.html
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Ipland » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:51 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Ipland wrote:How is this an excuse???

It's not an excuse.


Yes, it is. It's mutilating a baby without their consent, whichever way you put it.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:52 pm

Ipland wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:It's not an excuse.


Yes, it is. It's mutilating a baby without their consent, whichever way you put it.

It's not an excuse.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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