Fascism Discussion Thread

[Bakery Hill]

It's a pity the Ustaše were Nazi Ultranats. They did well defending the homeland and uniting the people there against the Serbian Threat.

Also did well with the mass murdering, to the point that the SS told them to slow down. Then of course they fled to my country and joined the Liberal Party.

[Imperial Union of America]

I think Adolf Hitler had a good point;

...democracy will in practice lead to the destruction of a people's true values. And this also serves to explain how it is that people with a great past from the time when they surrender themselves to the unlimited, democratic rule of the masses slowly lose their former position; for the outstanding achievements of individuals...are now rendered practically ineffective through the oppression of mere numbers.

-- Mein Fuehrer, Adolf Hitler.

[-Fahrong-]

Clerical Fascism is solid. The Legion of the Arc angel Michael was the bomb. Shame what happened to Codreanu.

[Conscentia]

AnCaps aren't anarchist though.

I mean, a Anarchist can be racist and homophobic. There are no rules, after all.

Anarchy isn't anomie. Anarchism does not promote a system that is without rules, but a system in which individuals govern themselves.

Many wouldn't call that person an anarchist though. As racism and homophobia go against what some consider the core tents of anarchism.

LaVeyan Satanism is considered Anarchist, but most members have right wing opinions

By who?

[Pandeeria]

Classical Fascism is the best kind of Fascism.

[The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster]

I think Adolf Hitler had a good point;

Look! A sentence never before uttered in the history of time!

[Genivaria]

Classical Fascism is the best kind of Fascism.

Are you referring to Democratic Corporatism back when it at least had potential for something good?

[Pandeeria]

Classical Fascism is the best kind of Fascism.

Are you referring to Democratic Corporatism back when it at least had potential for something good?

I don't know, I was just joking. Outside of knowing the basic definition of Fascism itself, I really don't know the differences between each strand of Fascism (except doesn't National Socialism IE Nazism promote a racial component not existent in other kinds of Fascism?).

I would like if someone explained the differences.

[Imperial Union of America]

I think Adolf Hitler had a good point;

Look! A sentence never before uttered in the history of time!

He did have a good point.

Did Nazi Germany have to deal with race riots, refugee problems and liberal policies?

No.

[Arcturus Novus]

Look! A sentence never before uttered in the history of time!

He did have a good point.

Did Nazi Germany have to deal with race riots, refugee problems and liberal policies?

No.

Well, when you imprison and/or murder all people who disagree with your policies or don't "fit in" to your perfect society, there's little room for such things. A democratic society is not perfect, but at least democracy isn't built on the corpses of others.

[Genivaria]

Are you referring to Democratic Corporatism back when it at least had potential for something good?

I don't know, I was just joking. Outside of knowing the basic definition of Fascism itself, I really don't know the differences between each strand of Fascism (except doesn't National Socialism IE Nazism promote a racial component not existent in other kinds of Fascism?).

I would like if someone explained the differences.

Well for starters it is a common misconception that the Nazis were somehow unique in their racism among fascists.
Mussolini supported the ethnic cleansing of Slavs and other 'undesirables' in the Balkans, and of course the Japanese treatment of the Chinese populace is well known.

But what I was referring to was the original attempt at seeking a 'Third Way' in economics amongst early Fascists that's commonly known as Corporatism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

What I always admired was the attempt to strike a balance between the interests of business, labor, and the state as opposed to the 'class struggle' rhetoric put forward by the communists.

That and only that is the 1 admirable quality I've found in Fascist theory, mainly because it's not restricted to Fascism at all.

[Genivaria]

Look! A sentence never before uttered in the history of time!

He did have a good point.

Did Nazi Germany have to deal with race riots, refugee problems and liberal policies?

No.

No because everyone was dead.
That's about the same as killing all the poor people and declaring you've solved poverty forever.

[Imperial Union of America]

He did have a good point.

Did Nazi Germany have to deal with race riots, refugee problems and liberal policies?

No.

No because everyone was dead.
That's about the same as killing all the poor people and declaring you've solved poverty forever.

If you killed all the poor people, it would just make some wealthier people poor. They'd lose their jobs because they'd run out of poor people to sell shit to.

[Genivaria]

No because everyone was dead.
That's about the same as killing all the poor people and declaring you've solved poverty forever.

If you killed all the poor people, it would just make some wealthier people poor. They'd lose their jobs because they'd run out of poor people to sell shit to.

And that is why the Third Reichs economy was built on sand.
Well..one of many reasons.

[Pandeeria]

I don't know, I was just joking. Outside of knowing the basic definition of Fascism itself, I really don't know the differences between each strand of Fascism (except doesn't National Socialism IE Nazism promote a racial component not existent in other kinds of Fascism?).

I would like if someone explained the differences.

Well for starters it is a common misconception that the Nazis were somehow unique in their racism among fascists.
Mussolini supported the ethnic cleansing of Slavs and other 'undesirables' in the Balkans, and of course the Japanese treatment of the Chinese populace is well known.

But what I was referring to was the original attempt at seeking a 'Third Way' in economics amongst early Fascists that's commonly known as Corporatism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

What I always admired was the attempt to strike a balance between the interests of business, labor, and the state as opposed to the 'class struggle' rhetoric put forward by the communists.

That and only that is the 1 admirable quality I've found in Fascist theory, mainly because it's not restricted to Fascism at all.

Considering that Fascism opposes the ideal of Class Struggle, I don't see anything admirable about it. Tack on the disgusting nationalism, strong State, and general authoritarianism, and it's the equivalent of the dog shit I find on the bottom of my shoes from time to time.

[Arcturus Novus]

Well for starters it is a common misconception that the Nazis were somehow unique in their racism among fascists.
Mussolini supported the ethnic cleansing of Slavs and other 'undesirables' in the Balkans, and of course the Japanese treatment of the Chinese populace is well known.

But what I was referring to was the original attempt at seeking a 'Third Way' in economics amongst early Fascists that's commonly known as Corporatism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

What I always admired was the attempt to strike a balance between the interests of business, labor, and the state as opposed to the 'class struggle' rhetoric put forward by the communists.

That and only that is the 1 admirable quality I've found in Fascist theory, mainly because it's not restricted to Fascism at all.

Considering that Fascism opposes the ideal of Class Struggle, I don't see anything admirable about it. Tack on the disgusting nationalism, strong State, and general authoritarianism, and it's the equivalent of the dog shit I find on the bottom of my shoes from time to time.

I second this. As it's said, fascism is not to be debated; it's to be destroyed.

[Genivaria]

Well for starters it is a common misconception that the Nazis were somehow unique in their racism among fascists.
Mussolini supported the ethnic cleansing of Slavs and other 'undesirables' in the Balkans, and of course the Japanese treatment of the Chinese populace is well known.

But what I was referring to was the original attempt at seeking a 'Third Way' in economics amongst early Fascists that's commonly known as Corporatism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

What I always admired was the attempt to strike a balance between the interests of business, labor, and the state as opposed to the 'class struggle' rhetoric put forward by the communists.

That and only that is the 1 admirable quality I've found in Fascist theory, mainly because it's not restricted to Fascism at all.

Considering that Fascism opposes the ideal of Class Struggle, I don't see anything admirable about it. Tack on the disgusting nationalism, strong State, and general authoritarianism, and it's the equivalent of the dog shit I find on the bottom of my shoes from time to time.

Class struggle is only something that I reluctantly support, a more collaborative form of society would be far more to my liking.
All the underlined I do oppose as well though.

[Genivaria]

Considering that Fascism opposes the ideal of Class Struggle, I don't see anything admirable about it. Tack on the disgusting nationalism, strong State, and general authoritarianism, and it's the equivalent of the dog shit I find on the bottom of my shoes from time to time.

I second this. As it's said, fascism is not to be debated; it's to be destroyed.

I agree completely.

[Ganonsyoni]

There is a phenomena called "manarchism" which pops up often in the anarchist left usually when it comes to social issues like racism and sexism. Actual anarchists view racism and sexism as oppressive hierarchies that must be destroyed to have an equal world. Anarchists that go "no war but the class war", don't care about social issues besides class, or uses oppressive speech without care severely miss the point of destroying all oppressive structures and not just ones that oppress them. Fighting and ending sexism is just as important as fighting and ending capitalism and anarchists need to be intersectional and do both. Anarchists regularly call out these manarchists of not actually being anarchists unless they fight for everyone and not just their own immediate oppression.

Thanks, you killed anarchism. Hope you're happy.

Anarchism, as well as the far-left, is dead.

Your brand of communism is dead if it isn't for the liberation of everyone.

[Imperial Union of America]

Considering that Fascism opposes the ideal of Class Struggle, I don't see anything admirable about it. Tack on the disgusting nationalism, strong State, and general authoritarianism, and it's the equivalent of the dog shit I find on the bottom of my shoes from time to time.

That's generally how i feel about liberalism, communism and sexual deviancy.

[Pandeeria]

Considering that Fascism opposes the ideal of Class Struggle, I don't see anything admirable about it. Tack on the disgusting nationalism, strong State, and general authoritarianism, and it's the equivalent of the dog shit I find on the bottom of my shoes from time to time.

That's generally how i feel about liberalism, communism and sexual deviancy.

Explain to me the differences between each extension of Fascism found on the poll.

[The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster]

Considering that Fascism opposes the ideal of Class Struggle, I don't see anything admirable about it. Tack on the disgusting nationalism, strong State, and general authoritarianism, and it's the equivalent of the dog shit I find on the bottom of my shoes from time to time.

That's generally how i feel about liberalism, communism and sexual deviancy.

What exactly is 'sexual deviancy?'

[Pandeeria]

That's generally how i feel about liberalism, communism and sexual deviancy.

What exactly is 'sexual deviancy?'

It's an empty buzz word used by fascists, reactionaries, traditionalists, and conservatives for things that make them feel uncomfortable.

[Ganonsyoni]

Considering that Fascism opposes the ideal of Class Struggle, I don't see anything admirable about it. Tack on the disgusting nationalism, strong State, and general authoritarianism, and it's the equivalent of the dog shit I find on the bottom of my shoes from time to time.

Class struggle is only something that I reluctantly support, a more collaborative form of society would be far more to my liking.
All the underlined I do oppose as well though.

Class collaboration is a core tenet of fascism. The capitalists work against the interest of the workers in order to enrich themselves and keep the workers dependent upon them for their own survival. The workers are maddened by their material conditions, but instead of working to overthrow the reasoning behind their oppression fascists work to trick and indoctrinate the masses to further their own goals and protect the state (see scapgoating of minorities in italy and germany and the rise of nationalism and militarism).

[Arcturus Novus]

Considering that Fascism opposes the ideal of Class Struggle, I don't see anything admirable about it. Tack on the disgusting nationalism, strong State, and general authoritarianism, and it's the equivalent of the dog shit I find on the bottom of my shoes from time to time.

That's generally how i feel about 1. liberalism, 2. communism and 3. sexual deviancy.

1. I... actually, I'll give you that one. Modern neoliberalism is atrocious.
2. Have you actually looked at the principles behind communist ideology, or did you just look at whatever Stalin and Mao tried and decided "oh, is that communism? Gross."
3. What defines "sexual deviancy", and moreover, who has the right to define any consensual sexual activity between adults as "deviant"?