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What country would you most like to see overthrown by military coup?

U.S.A.
34
15%
Germany
23
10%
France
5
2%
Russia
29
13%
China
25
11%
Turkey
34
15%
Saudi Arabia
42
19%
Iran
20
9%
The Philippines
15
7%
 
Total votes : 227

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Postby Mattopilos » Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:58 am

The V O I D wrote:CM has yet to do me or my IC nation qq.

In other news, I feel like if things go similarly to last time, and I conquest the galaxy, that my nation is best nation. :p


Hasn't done me either. Man I feel left out :lol2:
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Postby Minzerland II » Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:58 am

Dagashi Shojo wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:Nope, another work to add to my list...


If you're looking for casual reading, you probably aren't going to want a book by Gentile.

Nah. I usually try to get my evil materialist hands on sophisticated works by philosophers (when I'm in the mood of philosophy), but I don't have a lot of money I can use to acquire these works.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:59 am

Dagashi Shojo wrote:
The V O I D wrote:CM has yet to do me or my IC nation qq.

In other news, I feel like if things go similarly to last time, and I conquest the galaxy, that my nation is best nation. :p


> doesn't have a fleshed out political ideology besides "muh power" + "social liberalism."
> best nation.

Top kek.


You really don't like him do you.

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Postby Conscentia » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:00 am

Dagashi Shojo wrote:Anyone else read (or tried to read) Gentile's Genesis and Structure of Society? Here in the modern Western world, we assume positivism and realism to be universal common sense, when in some countries such as Italy, idealism dominated the philosophical scene.

His philosophy is certainly interesting. It held that the act of thinking, and not an a prior thinker or thought, was the creator of reality. [...]

How can there be an act of any kind without something to perform that action?

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Postby The V O I D » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:03 am

Dagashi Shojo wrote:
The V O I D wrote:CM has yet to do me or my IC nation qq.

In other news, I feel like if things go similarly to last time, and I conquest the galaxy, that my nation is best nation. :p


> doesn't have a fleshed out political ideology besides "muh power" + "social liberalism."
> best nation.

Top kek.


I have fleshed it out in the past, it's just, no one pays attention when I do.

I dislike authoritarian republics because they tend to imply elections. And I'm globalist. So, I want a global semi-absolute monarchist government. Parliaments on each continent (which are essentially full of the State/Crown Party, but are semi-autonomous) that answer to the Sovereign Council. The Sovereign Council is a directorate-esque government of semi-absolute monarchs with full legislative and judiciary and executive powers per their continent, as long as they don't break Universal Constitution and don't get impeached for being an idiot by Parliament. Otherwise, they have much power to do with their semi-autonomous continent.

The Sovereign Council itself elects a Grand Sovereign, who is basically the semi-absolute monarch of the world; unless he or she breaks Universal Constitution, or gets supermajority impeached (5/6 or 6/6 Sovereigns agree to get rid of him/her).

I'd go into more detail but I'm starting to feel repetitive. Might go look for my stuff in a previous thread, or earlier in this thread or something.

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Postby Dagashi Shojo » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:03 am

Minzerland II wrote:
Dagashi Shojo wrote:
If you're looking for casual reading, you probably aren't going to want a book by Gentile.

Nah. I usually try to get my evil materialist hands on sophisticated works by philosophers (when I'm in the mood of philosophy), but I don't have a lot of money I can use to acquire these works.


You can read one of his books free on Google. I'm not able to read Italian, but from the translations I've read, starting to suspect that Gentile's wordiness is more the fault of his translators, because others translate him much better.
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Postby The V O I D » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:03 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Dagashi Shojo wrote:
> doesn't have a fleshed out political ideology besides "muh power" + "social liberalism."
> best nation.

Top kek.


You really don't like him do you.


She's just mad that her lolipire was corrupted and vassalized by me. :p

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Postby Minzerland II » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:06 am

Dagashi Shojo wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:Nah. I usually try to get my evil materialist hands on sophisticated works by philosophers (when I'm in the mood of philosophy), but I don't have a lot of money I can use to acquire these works.


You can read one of his books free on Google. I'm not able to read Italian, but from the translations I've read, starting to suspect that Gentile's wordiness is more the fault of his translators, because others translate him much better.

Thanks, I'll have a read (after I'm done with Locke, again).
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Postby Dagashi Shojo » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:16 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Dagashi Shojo wrote:
> doesn't have a fleshed out political ideology besides "muh power" + "social liberalism."
> best nation.

Top kek.


You really don't like him do you.


Tend not to like totalitarian types, whether it be VOID, Socialist Tera, or others.
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Postby The V O I D » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:18 am

Dagashi Shojo wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
You really don't like him do you.


Tend not to like totalitarian types, whether it be VOID, Socialist Tera, or others.


Except I'm not totalitarian.

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Postby Dagashi Shojo » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:23 am

The V O I D wrote:
Dagashi Shojo wrote:
Tend not to like totalitarian types, whether it be VOID, Socialist Tera, or others.


Except I'm not totalitarian.


Literally just about every totalitarian will tell you that, not due to the fact they aren't totalitarian. But mainly because it has become a naughty word in modern vernacular, being associated with 1984 and 2 + 2 = 5.
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Postby The V O I D » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:25 am

Dagashi Shojo wrote:
The V O I D wrote:
Except I'm not totalitarian.


Literally just about every totalitarian will tell you that, not due to the fact they aren't totalitarian. But mainly because it has become a naughty word in modern vernacular, being associated with 1984 and 2 + 2 = 5.


Except, I'm not totalitarian.

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:31 am

The V O I D wrote:
Dagashi Shojo wrote:
> doesn't have a fleshed out political ideology besides "muh power" + "social liberalism."
> best nation.

Top kek.


I have fleshed it out in the past, it's just, no one pays attention when I do.

I dislike authoritarian republics because they tend to imply elections. And I'm globalist. So, I want a global semi-absolute monarchist government. Parliaments on each continent (which are essentially full of the State/Crown Party, but are semi-autonomous) that answer to the Sovereign Council. The Sovereign Council is a directorate-esque government of semi-absolute monarchs with full legislative and judiciary and executive powers per their continent, as long as they don't break Universal Constitution and don't get impeached for being an idiot by Parliament. Otherwise, they have much power to do with their semi-autonomous continent.

The Sovereign Council itself elects a Grand Sovereign, who is basically the semi-absolute monarch of the world; unless he or she breaks Universal Constitution, or gets supermajority impeached (5/6 or 6/6 Sovereigns agree to get rid of him/her).

I'd go into more detail but I'm starting to feel repetitive. Might go look for my stuff in a previous thread, or earlier in this thread or something.

I'm always very bemused by people who work out a very specific and detailed model of how their ideal government would work. Firstly, there's the cold, hard reality that your hypothetical system is extremely unlikely to ever actually see the light of day; secondly, I can't see how you could possibly assume that your ideal hypothetical government would necessarily be any more successful than any of the various other "perfect" human-crafted constitutions that have been tried. It seems to me that the wiser and more serious ideologues work in terms of broader principles rather than setting out a very detailed and specific plan- but then, most people don't actually aspire to literally take over the world and impose their pet theories personally. My suspicion is that this is very much the folly of youth and that as you mature your politics will develop into a more realistic and flexible ideology.

Of course, technically an ideology and system of government are two distinct things. Two governments may subscribe to the same set of ideological values, whilst having very different institutions of government.
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Postby Dagashi Shojo » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:38 am

The V O I D wrote:
Dagashi Shojo wrote:
Literally just about every totalitarian will tell you that, not due to the fact they aren't totalitarian. But mainly because it has become a naughty word in modern vernacular, being associated with 1984 and 2 + 2 = 5.


Except, I'm not totalitarian.


You believe in everything being subject to the state. Even your "social liberalism" (which there is nothing liberal about) is nothing more than an extension of this. Your government would fall in an instant because it would require constant surveillance from you. A tyrant, as Plato noted, is a slave constantly forced to stay alert and paranoid about who might take his power.
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Postby Skyviolia » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:42 am

The V O I D wrote:
Dagashi Shojo wrote:
> doesn't have a fleshed out political ideology besides "muh power" + "social liberalism."
> best nation.

Top kek.


I have fleshed it out in the past, it's just, no one pays attention when I do.

I dislike authoritarian republics because they tend to imply elections. And I'm globalist. So, I want a global semi-absolute monarchist government. Parliaments on each continent (which are essentially full of the State/Crown Party, but are semi-autonomous) that answer to the Sovereign Council. The Sovereign Council is a directorate-esque government of semi-absolute monarchs with full legislative and judiciary and executive powers per their continent, as long as they don't break Universal Constitution and don't get impeached for being an idiot by Parliament. Otherwise, they have much power to do with their semi-autonomous continent.

The Sovereign Council itself elects a Grand Sovereign, who is basically the semi-absolute monarch of the world; unless he or she breaks Universal Constitution, or gets supermajority impeached (5/6 or 6/6 Sovereigns agree to get rid of him/her).

I'd go into more detail but I'm starting to feel repetitive. Might go look for my stuff in a previous thread, or earlier in this thread or something.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:48 am

The V O I D wrote:CM has yet to do me or my IC nation qq.

In other news, I feel like if things go similarly to last time, and I conquest the galaxy, that my nation is best nation. :p

Mattopilos wrote:Hasn't done me either. Man I feel left out :lol2:

Let me pop some asprin and I'll get on it. I've been... preoccupied with a mixture of uni and smashing my head against various game dev tools.
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:48 am

Skyviolia wrote:
The V O I D wrote:
I have fleshed it out in the past, it's just, no one pays attention when I do.

I dislike authoritarian republics because they tend to imply elections. And I'm globalist. So, I want a global semi-absolute monarchist government. Parliaments on each continent (which are essentially full of the State/Crown Party, but are semi-autonomous) that answer to the Sovereign Council. The Sovereign Council is a directorate-esque government of semi-absolute monarchs with full legislative and judiciary and executive powers per their continent, as long as they don't break Universal Constitution and don't get impeached for being an idiot by Parliament. Otherwise, they have much power to do with their semi-autonomous continent.

The Sovereign Council itself elects a Grand Sovereign, who is basically the semi-absolute monarch of the world; unless he or she breaks Universal Constitution, or gets supermajority impeached (5/6 or 6/6 Sovereigns agree to get rid of him/her).

I'd go into more detail but I'm starting to feel repetitive. Might go look for my stuff in a previous thread, or earlier in this thread or something.

Combining the executive and the judicature is a terrible idea and a huge conflict of interest.


Not just a terrible idea but a sure way of getting overthrown due to tyranny.
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Postby Aelex » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:53 am

Conserative Morality wrote:Let me pop some asprin and I'll get on it. I've been... preoccupied with a mixture of uni and smashing my head against various game dev tools.

Don't forget the frenchie, please. :p
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Postby Minzerland II » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:53 am

Uxupox wrote:
Skyviolia wrote:Combining the executive and the judicature is a terrible idea and a huge conflict of interest.


Not just a terrible idea but a sure way of getting overthrown due to tyranny.

Did someone say 'tyranny'?

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Postby Aelex » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:55 am

The V O I D wrote:Except, I'm not totalitarian.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck... :p
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Postby Mattopilos » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:55 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The V O I D wrote:CM has yet to do me or my IC nation qq.

In other news, I feel like if things go similarly to last time, and I conquest the galaxy, that my nation is best nation. :p

Mattopilos wrote:Hasn't done me either. Man I feel left out :lol2:

Let me pop some asprin and I'll get on it. I've been... preoccupied with a mixture of uni and smashing my head against various game dev tools.


Thank fuck I had a week off from uni (currently in said week off) or my head would explode. Won't rush ya ;)
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Postby Dagashi Shojo » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:59 am

Conscentia wrote:
Dagashi Shojo wrote:Anyone else read (or tried to read) Gentile's Genesis and Structure of Society? Here in the modern Western world, we assume positivism and realism to be universal common sense, when in some countries such as Italy, idealism dominated the philosophical scene.

His philosophy is certainly interesting. It held that the act of thinking, and not an a prior thinker or thought, was the creator of reality. [...]

How can there be an act of any kind without something to perform that action?


To better explain this counterintuitive concept, he uses different terms such as "thought which thinks itself." even to determine the existence of a thinker outside the thought that the thinker thinks, you need an act of thinking.
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Postby Great Kauthar » Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:16 am

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Postby Germanic Templars » Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:24 am



As edgy as he seems, I am not protesting it either.. Weird.

Also FT is being a Fuckin Tumor and forces me to subscribe to read their article.

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Postby Great Kauthar » Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:29 am

Germanic Templars wrote:


As edgy as he seems, I am not protesting it either.. Weird.

Also FT is being a Fuckin Tumor and forces me to subscribe to read their article.

oh my gran has a subscription to it so I just use hers xd i forget it needs that
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